Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[PG Graveyard]

Hey Bucks fans. What do you guys think of a trade of Middleton, Connaughton, and a pick for Brandom Ingram on New Orleans?

New Orleans is having an injury season from hell and all their starters except Ingram have been hurt. If they count it as a lost season with Zion out indefinitely they will probably be thinking about lottery positioning and getting another blue chip prospect. The Pels aren't in love with Ingram so he should be gettable. They get some draft equity for a guy who was likely leaving for nothing at the end of the year given they already couldn't move him over the summer and don't want to pay him. They also won't care about getting Middleton on the court right away and Middleton's stats still show he is a good player when he plays.

Bucks get a borderline allstar caliber player at the same position to replace Middleton who is healthier and 6 years younger so he lines up with the rest of Giannis' prime. The only problem is you have to pay him at the end of the season. Also you lose what little draft equity you had left.

Thoughts?

I don’t think that’s legal and I’m not sure that’s a move we should make either way.

[German Athens]

Hey Bucks fans. What do you guys think of a trade of Middleton, Connaughton, and a pick for Brandom Ingram on New Orleans?

New Orleans is having an injury season from hell and all their starters except Ingram have been hurt. If they count it as a lost season with Zion out indefinitely they will probably be thinking about lottery positioning and getting another blue chip prospect. The Pels aren't in love with Ingram so he should be gettable. They get some draft equity for a guy who was likely leaving for nothing at the end of the year given they already couldn't move him over the summer and don't want to pay him. They also won't care about getting Middleton on the court right away and Middleton's stats still show he is a good player when he plays.

Bucks get a borderline allstar caliber player at the same position to replace Middleton who is healthier and 6 years younger so he lines up with the rest of Giannis' prime. The only problem is you have to pay him at the end of the season. Also you lose what little draft equity you had left.

Thoughts?

I don’t think that’s legal and I’m not sure that’s a move we should make either way.

It looks to be legal. Khris has a good chunk of unlikely incentives that are factored into the teams apron status. This trade would move us below the second apron.

[raferfenix]

New Orleans is having an injury season from hell and all their starters except Ingram have been hurt.

Thanks for sharing the Pelicans’ perspective.

What do you think it’d take to get Herb Jones? Seems like he’ll come back soon enough, and if the Bucks are dealing our lone future first, I think we’d need someone who can seriously help our D.

That and I got a hard time seeing the Bucks cashing Ingram out long term — at least if we are keeping Dame.

[raferfenix]

It looks to be legal. Khris has a good chunk of unlikely incentives that are factored into the teams apron status. This trade would move us below the second apron.

Good catch that would come into the equation too.

I’m still not sure we deal our 2031 first just for Ingram though.

If we could do the deal without it the Bucks might be fine risking Ingram walking. But we’d have to want to be out of the Middleton business would be the pre-requisite (and since he has a player option the Pelicans or a third team would have to want him).

Or if we are including that pick maybe we get another piece added to the package — a Bobby for Herb Jones swap perhaps?

[msiris]

Hey Bucks fans. What do you guys think of a trade of Middleton, Connaughton, and a pick for Brandom Ingram on New Orleans?

New Orleans is having an injury season from hell and all their starters except Ingram have been hurt. If they count it as a lost season with Zion out indefinitely they will probably be thinking about lottery positioning and getting another blue chip prospect. The Pels aren't in love with Ingram so he should be gettable. They get some draft equity for a guy who was likely leaving for nothing at the end of the year given they already couldn't move him over the summer and don't want to pay him. They also won't care about getting Middleton on the court right away and Middleton's stats still show he is a good player when he plays.

Bucks get a borderline allstar caliber player at the same position to replace Middleton who is healthier and 6 years younger so he lines up with the rest of Giannis' prime. The only problem is you have to pay him at the end of the season. Also you lose what little draft equity you had left.

Thoughts?

No brainer.

[crkone]

Interesting that it leaked out that Mids is cleared to play. Wondering if the team (Doc) is pushing him to get to the 5 on 5s and leaked it.

[theFireBlanket]

If you were getting paid tens of millions of dollars to play basketball, how bad would you have to hurt to not play basketball?

Already made $200 million - check
Championship Ring - check
Olympic Gold Medal - check

We sort of dealing with a Robert Smith (Vikings NFL) situation. Khris had these same issues last year. The guy has accomplished a lot, made a ton of money. The competitive hunger isn’t there anymore.

Total BS. He just realized the playoffs are everything. His legacy changes with another ring

If Mids was playing, I doubt AJ Dort or Ajax ever get a fair shot. We're better in the long run for Mids cautiousness

If he was lacking the drive, then why did he play injured vs. Indiana & lay it all out on the line? That is, without Giannis or healthy Dame?

The slow roll out will pay dividends through that silver lining.

[-Jragon-]

It looks to be legal. Khris has a good chunk of unlikely incentives that are factored into the teams apron status. This trade would move us below the second apron.

Good catch that would come into the equation too.

I’m still not sure we deal our 2031 first just for Ingram though.

If we could do the deal without it the Bucks might be fine risking Ingram walking. But we’d have to want to be out of the Middleton business would be the pre-requisite (and since he has a player option the Pelicans or a third team would have to want him).

Or if we are including that pick maybe we get another piece added to the package — a Bobby for Herb Jones swap perhaps?

Right... Paying Ingram 50 mil per year on his extension so he can play his usual 50 games per year isn't an upgrade.. He's a chucker -- worse version of KM.. as soon as he gets here he'd play hard, get the payday and then start bricking 3's ... then start complaining about his role and scheduling July cleanup surgeries so he can improve his video game and pasta eating technique. 2031 is better in our hands than doing that

[SupremeHustle]

Horst could troll me so hard right now if he traded AJ Green for Tobes.

[fansinceforever]

If you were getting paid tens of millions of dollars to play basketball, how bad would you have to hurt to not play basketball?

Already made $200 million - check
Championship Ring - check
Olympic Gold Medal - check

We sort of dealing with a Robert Smith (Vikings NFL) situation. Khris had these same issues last year. The guy has accomplished a lot, made a ton of money. The competitive hunger isn’t there anymore.

Total BS. He just realized the playoffs are everything. His legacy changes with another ring

If Mids was playing, I doubt AJ Dort or Ajax ever get a fair shot. We're better in the long run for Mids cautiousness.

The spin here is insane.

The idea that because we've beat 5 bad teams that we can go back to "nothing matters but the playoffs" is actually crazy. There's no situation in which Khris sitting out is good.

Evidence by the fact that team leaked this info. They don't leak that if they're fine with what's happening.

[Ron Swanson]

It's frustrating, but I believe Khris is also losing out on about $2 million in contract incentives if he doesn't play at least 62-games. So what exactly do you guys think is more likely here?

[ShootingtheJ]

People are upset that Mids is medically cleared but not playing? Reminder that this is the same medical staff that cleared Giannis and Dame to play in regular season games with calf injuries just before the playoffs last year.

That decision ruined our season. Mids is smarter than those clowns.

[German Athens]

Pat for jae’sean Tate.

Tate isn’t a shooter at all, but he’s a much better defender than Prince and gives us a defensive combo forward.

He’s not playing in Houston because of their glut of young talent ahead of him.

I think a simple swap of DNP guys could work.

[FrieAaron]

It's frustrating, but I believe Khris is also losing out on about $2 million in contract incentives if he doesn't play at least 62-games. So what exactly do you guys think is more likely here?

I thought about this the other day. If he doesn't hit that goal does it help us get under some sort of cap and give us some more versatility on what we can do with trades?

[kanyon]

Did anyone see the clip the team did about "Milwaukee slang"? It started with Dame and he's like... I don't know any, I don't go outside....

Man, I wish he'd at least TRY to experience MKE and TRY to make connections. Very clearly depressed.

[emunney]

People are upset that Mids is medically cleared but not playing? Reminder that this is the same medical staff that cleared Giannis and Dame to play in regular season games with calf injuries just before the playoffs last year.

That decision ruined our season. Mids is smarter than those clowns.

I don't even think intelligence enters into it. You can have the best doctors in the world and they'll never live in your body and you'll always have a responsibility to self-advocate. They do the best they can but they're not perfect and the tools they have to work with all have limitations.

[Brewhoopfan]

Mids was 25/9/5 against Indy in the playoffs last year. After getting paid. After getting a ring. He's still an all-star caliber player. There's no smoking gun here. Everyone just needs to be patient. He's motivated to come back and there are incentive$ to do so.

[-Jragon-]

Did anyone see the clip the team did about "Milwaukee slang"? It started with Dame and he's like... I don't know any, I don't go outside....

Man, I wish he'd at least TRY to experience MKE and TRY to make connections. Very clearly depressed.

It might be personality.. I have some friends that stay in and are still happy and friends that go out a lot and are still depressed. For Dame, I'd bet his emotions are reflected through art.. find his latest raps if he has some and you'll know.

[-Jragon-]

Mids was 25/9/5 against Indy in the playoffs last year. After getting paid. After getting a ring. He's still an all-star caliber player. There's no smoking gun here. Everyone just needs to be patient. He's motivated to come back and there are incentive$ to do so.

I'm with this... but here's the thing... come back and actually be in shape this time bro. If you have a min restriction, fine, make it 12 min if needed but run for those 12 min. Also, don't come back and dribble in the paint to try to jump straight up jumpers when you know they will leave a foot for you to land on. Get some old man step back, 3 pointer, some Ersan defense.. maybe a leaning backboard shot where you don't have to elevate much and then boom you survive for another contract.

[-Jragon-]

I think we see that with this team, we're good enough that we can get easy/open shots anytime we want to. So if 1 or 2 of your hero ball moves tend to get you injured (Giannis barreling and Khris jumping over 7 footers and landing straight down), just take those out for the good of the team and your health and kick the ball around for easier shots/drives or try the hero ball moves that don't get you hurt.