2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

emunney · Post #1841 » by **emunney** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:30 pm

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Post #1842 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:32 pm

My thoughts on GOT:

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Yeah, I get the complaints about LF's death, but it was poetic justice that he was taken out by the same family that he helped to ruin with his scheming. It made the most sense to me that they got to finish him. I would have preferred something other than an execution following a sham trial (I mean, the lawyer in me thought that his conviction based on total speculation and the claims of a kid who's claims to have visions...I mean, COME ON), like Sansa/Arya/Bran leading him into a trap where he gets caught with murder weapon or something. But whatever - he needed to be moved out of the way and I'm satisfied with it.

I did not like the idea of the wall coming down with dragon fire. First of all, it should have taken much longer to melt that wall. Second of all, the wall is supposed to be protected by magic that prevents the WW from passing through. If the solution was as simple as melting it, then why wouldn't they have, you know, built a damn steel wall? Or something that's harder to penetrate than ice? Lastly, the fact that it can be melted with dragon fire reinforces, once again, the stupidity of their expedition beyond the wall.

B&W really botched that, IMO. I thought breaching the wall should have been the biggest moment in the series thus far - bigger than Hardhome, or the loot train attack, or the Eastwatch battle. It shouldn't have been reduced to a five minute scene of melting ice.

As to other concerns:

- Yeah, no one of substance other than LF has died for sure. Tormund and Beric might have died, but I highly doubt it (they're too important to the show to have an off-screen death like that). B&W haven't demonstrated the capacity - the stones - to kill off anyone important. If they did, there's no way Cersei doesn't kill several at that ill-fated meeting in KL. At the very least, she doesn't bluff on wasting Tyrion or Jamie.

- I'm glad we're going to see Jamie heading towards Winterfell. I hope Bronn finds a way to join him.

- I thought that scene between Tyrion and Cersei had some of the best acting of the whole series. Just a masterclass by Dinklage and Headey.

- That juxtaposition of the Rhaegar/Lyanna Wedding and the incestuous sex between Dany and Jon was weird as hell.

- They did a good job building a lot of dramatic tension into that reveal of the wight. I thought it might have disappeared or something when Sandor opened the box.

- Is it really a Clegane Bowl when it's Sandor versus Robert Strong?

- Why did Dany bring both of her dragons, instead of one? It just begged the question of what happened to the third one. Think, Dany. Think!

- Just end that dumb Greyjoy plot ASAP. I'm so damn over it.

Post #1843 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:38 pm

emunney wrote:
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Bran knows everything and waited until the last episode to tell anybody anything.

For real, though. It's almost maddening.

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M-C-G · Post #1844 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:47 pm

Man, some of you guys are harsh critics. I've enjoyed the show immensely but I definitely don't watch with the granularity that many of you do, which has often led to me just not noticing things that are obvious to everyone else, but I am okay with that, it's a fun show that I'll miss once it is done.

RiotPunch · Post #1845 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:16 pm

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#Snownaryas finally happened which was good but why did Tyrion seem upset about it? I never got the sense that he was in love with Dany.

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Iheartfootball · Post #1846 » by **Iheartfootball** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:35 pm

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emunney · Post #1847 » by **emunney** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:13 pm

In non-GoT news, Green Room was a really good thriller.

Post #1848 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:16 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
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#Snownaryas finally happened which was good but why did Tyrion seem upset about it? I never got the sense that he was in love with Dany.

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I think he's mad/worried that Jon is surpassing him as Dany's most trusted adviser. Jon already arguably did surpass Tyrion when Dany asked for and took his advice before incinerating Jaime's army, but has now sealed the deal with sweet, sweet incestuous lovin'.

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tydett · Post #1849 » by **tydett** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:18 pm

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Ron Swanson · Post #1850 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:22 pm

GoT:

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bigkurty · Post #1851 » by **bigkurty** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:22 pm

emunney wrote:
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I thought the juxtaposition of Bran revealing Jon as Dany's legitimate nephew with Jon and Dany having sex was really funny. Totally distracted from both important things.

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RRyder823 · Post #1852 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:29 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
emunney wrote:
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Bran knows everything and waited until the last episode to tell anybody anything.

For real, though. It's almost maddening.

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Also, the guy goes from thinking that Jon Snow was a Dornish bastard (why wouldn't he be a Targaryen bastard?), to realizing that he was legitimized because Samwell Tarly told him. Aren't you supposed to be the man with the ability to see the past?

He's been fairly useless thus far.

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Post #1853 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:37 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
emunney wrote:
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Bran knows everything and waited until the last episode to tell anybody anything.

For real, though. It's almost maddening.

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Also, the guy goes from thinking that Jon Snow was a Dornish bastard (why wouldn't he be a Targaryen bastard?), to realizing that he was legitimized because Samwell Tarly told him. Aren't you supposed to be the man with the ability to see the past?

He's been fairly useless thus far.

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Not that I disagree with that he should've known but he didn't think he was a Dornish anything. Bastard surnames only have to do with the area in which your born

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Post #1854 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:40 pm

tydett wrote:
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My opinion on this season has not changed, but Aidan Gillen's acting last night was way better than anything from a main character (except maybe Jaime and Cersei) in years. So much subtlety to the role to just get foiled by them meddlin' kids and their dog too (Ghost is probably still locked up somewhere in Winterfell, right? How has Jon Snow's most loyal companion not been addressed at all this season?

Also, how did a guy who literally had most of King's Landing spying for him not have a single person privy to the conversation where Bran spilled all the deets offscreen, to serve as a warning that he probably shouldn't go to the meeting of everybody in the hall.

Everything that's happened in Winterfell this season has been Dorne-level ****.

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emunney · Post #1855 » by **emunney** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:42 pm

Noble bastard surnames by region of birth:

Flowers: The Reach
Hill: The Westerlands
Pyke: Iron Islands
Rivers: The Riverlands
Sand: Dorne
Snow: The North
Stone: The Vale of Arryn
Storm: The Stormlands
Waters: The Crownlands

emunney · Post #1856 » by **emunney** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:08 pm

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M-C-G · Post #1857 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:13 pm

emunney wrote:
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Did you guys know that if you get your dick cut off, catching a knee to the crotch actually makes you *stronger*?

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Post #1858 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:27 pm

This season of Game Of Thrones was illogical, dumb, and fun as hell

Feel like this sums my thoughts up pretty well.

This season of Game Of Thrones was a fast-paced, wildly fun ride filled with huge battle sequences, long-awaited reunions, thrilling team-ups, and some of the most memorable deaths in the series’ history.

This season of Game Of Thrones was a knowingly rushed, ludicrously implausible bit of fan service, filled with improbable character alliances that seemed like they were lifted from some multiplayer video game, romances that felt like direct pandering to “shippers,” and some of the least surprising ends for the most relatively disposable characters left in a show that’s rapidly running out of major players to kill.

These statements sum up the general sentiments on either side of the drama’s polarizing seventh season—and I agree with both of them. This season was breakneck, sloppy, and occasionally downright stupid. It was also a lot of fun.

I don’t begrudge anyone else’s fascination with the details, just like I don’t find anything wrong with indulging in speculation over how and where, exactly, the White Walkers could best circumvent the Wall. For some, these are the pursuits that enrich the story and deepen their connection. On my end, I was perfectly happy that the White Walkers just ended up taking a big **** ice dragon to it. It was a big, obvious, ham-fisted narrative decision that was completely lacking in subtlety and, most likely, proper dragon science. But it made for great television.

Despite also understanding the dissent, I have likewise enjoyed the fact that this season, characters appeared to have magically unlocked warp zones that allowed them to pop up in distant lands over the course of an episode; that Jon Snow, through sheer screenwriter contrivance, conveniently managed to assemble an Avengers dream team out of all the series’ most badass secondaries; that this team then went on a totally badass, yet laughably ill-thought-out suicide mission to swing some flaming swords at a vast undead army; that they were only rescued by Daenerys swooping in to save them, atop a dragon that she could have easily swept over a field of wights her damn self without sacrificing anyone.

I get that, to some people, these things represent utter betrayals of characters who have in the past been shown to be relentlessly meticulous tacticians, or that they don’t even appear to be born from the same source material, which has always been so methodical about its plotting and geography. But, bad fantasy fan that I am, I’ve found this season’s reckless disregard of the specifics to have invigorated a show that has, in my opinion, occasionally gotten way too bogged down in them.

Woooooorrrrrrrd.

Lippo · Post #1859 » by **Lippo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:19 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:
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such an unfitting end for littlefinger..... he's been the mastermind the whole time and that's how he falls??

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Lippo · Post #1860 » by **Lippo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:29 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Whelp....

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GoT officially has lost its soul and transformed into another one of the many cliche, fantasy action-adventure romps since Lord of the Rings. The way in which Littlefinger was taken down was both predictable and entirely anti-climactic. There was absolutely zero suspense or emotion in a scene where the mastermind behind the events of the previous 5-6 seasons was killed. I mean he literally started the War of the 5 Kings with his scheming.

I also didn't know that the Dragons' fire breath was an actual **** laser beam that could cleave through a quarter mile thick wall of ice and stone in like....less than 10 seconds. Sure, it was entertaining (Explosions! Dragons! Blue Fire!), but I'll say it. It's lazy story-telling. Vintage "introduce ridiculous plot-armor to further story" type stuff. I just expect better from a show that's built itself on avoiding those very same kinds of fantasy genre tropes.

D&D 101
Dracoliches's can have different breath weapons than Dragons.
Looked like lightning breath to me or maybe just really hot fire, (blue part of the flame is the hottest)

Dragon Breath Types
Blue=Lightning
Red-Fire
Black-Acid
Green-Poison
White-Cold
Chromatics/Dracoliches=Multiples.