Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[MrPerfect1]

If I had a guarantee than Parker would be Melo, I still would take Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum over him. Melo is maybe a 3rd best player on a Title Contender (and even then would have strong questions if he could accept a more role player type position-yes he does well in the olympics but that is so far from NBA season demands it is almost impossible to equate the 2)

I do think he is who we will draft though. The one thing that gives me hope otherwise is that the profile of Hammond suggests he favors length and athleticism.

[machu46]

If I thought Parker had a 50% shot at being Carmelo, flaws and all, I might take him over Embiid.

I think he has a chance to be better than Carmelo. I think his rebounding and passing will be better. I think his leadership and character will be better. If he finds a way to improve defensively I think the sky is the ceiling for him.

I still prefer Wiggins because I love the thought of the size, athleticism, defensive ability, and 'wow' playmaking ability that him and Giannis would bring to the table together.

I do kind of like the thought of the leadership, character, and overall great attitudes of pairing Jabari and Giannis. They would be very likable and easy to root for. This shouldn't override the importance of talent but what's wrong with having talent plus all that?

Hoping for Wiggins but fine with Jabari.

Nothing about the way they played in college suggests that Jabari will be a better passer in the NBA than Melo. Just for what it's worth. Jabari was pretty much non existent as a passer despite having a supporting cast that were lights out shooters.

I can definitely see what attracts people to Jabari though. So thrilled that he's my worst case scenario for us instead of trying to get excited about getting Henson or Terrence Jones.

[Licensed to Il]

it is a myth of this board that Parker is undersized, unathletic, and has limited upside.

[mlloyd10]

So how come nobody has brought up Parker and the possibility of his mission that he might go on

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He already said and it's been reported that he isn't going on one.

Thanks, missed that

[mlloyd10]

If I had a guarantee than Parker would be Melo, I still would take Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum over him. Melo is maybe a 3rd best player on a Title Contender (and even then would have strong questions if he could accept a more role player type position-yes he does well in the olympics but that is so far from NBA season demands it is almost impossible to equate the 2)

I do think he is who we will draft though. The one thing that gives me hope otherwise is that the profile of Hammond suggests he favors length and athleticism.

You may not like Melo, but that is ridiculous.

[SkilesTheLimit]

If I had a guarantee than Parker would be Melo, I still would take Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum over him. Melo is maybe a 3rd best player on a Title Contender (and even then would have strong questions if he could accept a more role player type position-yes he does well in the olympics but that is so far from NBA season demands it is almost impossible to equate the 2)

I do think he is who we will draft though. The one thing that gives me hope otherwise is that the profile of Hammond suggests he favors length and athleticism.

You may not like Melo, but that is ridiculous.

Some could argue that if he went to the Bulls and Rose was healthy, Melo might be #3 dog with Rose/Noah ahead of him. That team would be a contender.

[machu46]

If I had a guarantee than Parker would be Melo, I still would take Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum over him. Melo is maybe a 3rd best player on a Title Contender (and even then would have strong questions if he could accept a more role player type position-yes he does well in the olympics but that is so far from NBA season demands it is almost impossible to equate the 2)

I do think he is who we will draft though. The one thing that gives me hope otherwise is that the profile of Hammond suggests he favors length and athleticism.

You may not like Melo, but that is ridiculous.

Some could argue that if he went to the Bulls and Rose was healthy, Melo might be #3 dog with Rose/Noah ahead of him. That team would be a contender.

#3 in terms of what exactly? Melo is probably the best scorer on that team.

[JustinCredible]

Lasry just said about the draft: "There are a top 3, maybe top 4 players. We'll have a chance to get either Embiid or Parker.....(pause)......or Wiggins or even Exum. One of those 4 obviously."

He definitely had a break after Embiid and Parker.

[MrPerfect1]

If I had a guarantee than Parker would be Melo, I still would take Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum over him. Melo is maybe a 3rd best player on a Title Contender (and even then would have strong questions if he could accept a more role player type position-yes he does well in the olympics but that is so far from NBA season demands it is almost impossible to equate the 2)

I do think he is who we will draft though. The one thing that gives me hope otherwise is that the profile of Hammond suggests he favors length and athleticism.

You may not like Melo, but that is ridiculous.

What team has ever won a Title with a player like Melo as their #2 Option:

1)Extremely High Usage
2)Not a great Defender
3)Doesn't generate that many assists
4)Not a great shooting %

Only 1 I could even remotely come up with is Paul Pierce and even then Pierce had a much more team oriented game (Lower Usage Rate yet still More Assists) and better defensively

Lasry just said about the draft: "There are a top 3, maybe top 4 players. We'll have a chance to get either Embiid or Parker.....(pause)......or Wiggins or even Exum. One of those 4 obviously."

He definitely had a break after Embiid and Parker.

It sucks but we are almost definitely taking Parker

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Lasry just said about the draft: "There are a top 3, maybe top 4 players. We'll have a chance to get either Embiid or Parker.....(pause)......or Wiggins or even Exum. One of those 4 obviously."

He definitely had a break after Embiid and Parker.

I really think the organization is trying to make it look like Wiggins is an afterthought. Lasry is way too smart to show his hand like that.

[JustinCredible]

Lasry just said about the draft: "There are a top 3, maybe top 4 players. We'll have a chance to get either Embiid or Parker.....(pause)......or Wiggins or even Exum. One of those 4 obviously."

He definitely had a break after Embiid and Parker.

I really think the organization is trying to make it look like Wiggins is an afterthought. Lasry is way too smart to show his hand like that.

I don't think any rival GM's are going to listen to his interview on a classic rock station unless he flat out says something major. A 'pause' on local radio isn't making its way around the league. I don't think it was meant in any way to misdirect anyone. Just my opinion.

[ReasonablySober]

Are people who believe the Bucks are creating a smoke screen doing so because they believe Cleveland is looking to deal out with a team like Philly?

I guess I don't understand where the smoke screen talk is coming from.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Are people who believe the Bucks are creating a smoke screen doing so because they believe Cleveland is looking to deal out with a team like Philly?

I guess I don't understand where the smoke screen talk is coming from.

Yep, Philly has reportedly wanted Wiggins since well before the lottery. They also have a lot of assets to trade ahead of us to get Wiggins if they think we'll take him at #2.

And we may not want Cleveland to take him, obviously.

Maybe it is smoke, maybe it isn't. Either way I'm not going to put much stock into what the owners says in regards to who we are favoring.

[ReasonablySober]

Are people who believe the Bucks are creating a smoke screen doing so because they believe Cleveland is looking to deal out with a team like Philly?

I guess I don't understand where the smoke screen talk is coming from.

Yep, Philly has reportedly wanted Wiggins since well before the lottery. They also have a lot of assets to trade ahead of us to get Wiggins if they think we'll take him at #2.

Huh. I guess I'd be thrilled with that. It leaves the draft's best player to us.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Are people who believe the Bucks are creating a smoke screen doing so because they believe Cleveland is looking to deal out with a team like Philly?

I guess I don't understand where the smoke screen talk is coming from.

Yep, Philly has reportedly wanted Wiggins since well before the lottery. They also have a lot of assets to trade ahead of us to get Wiggins if they think we'll take him at #2.

Huh. I guess I'd be thrilled with that. It leaves the draft's best player to us.

Yeah I'd be thrilled with it too, as long as we don't take Parker for some reason.

[Rockmaninoff]

I think Cleveland is either trading the pick for a vet or taking Embiid. Parker makes some sense for them, but Wiggins and Exum really don't.
If Philly wants Wiggins, there is an opportunity for the Bucks to facilitate that, and pick up another asset. The smoke screen should be that the Bucks' top 2 are Embiid and Wiggins.

[LUKE23]

People shouldn't fret about Parker's position. It should only matter if he's the best player or not in a vacuum that is available at #2. But we have a roster that allows him to do what he does best, if you do think he's BPA. If you don't, we should pick someone else. I can think of very few teams that have better "fit" around Parker than us though, with Giannis and Sanders. Sanders is one of the best rim protectors in basketball and Giannis will be able to guard at least 3, if not 4 positions as he matures. Sure, would we have defensive issues against teams that have two really good scorers at both 3 and 4? Yes, but that would go for pretty much any roster we put out there.

The reason I like Wiggins more is because I think his net impact will be greater in terms of impacting wins. I think he probably tops out at around 21/22 ppg, while Parker ends up at 25/26 in his peak years. Similar efficiencies between the two. But I think Wiggins' defensive advantage overtakes the gap in offense.

All in all, Parker is #4 on my board, been swapping him back and forth with Exum. I wouldn't be pissed if we took him though. I think the gap between 2-4 isn't a large one. The only big fall off is from Embiid to 2-4.

[Turk Nowitzki]

All in all, Parker is #4 on my board, been swapping him back and forth with Exum. I wouldn't be pissed if we took him though. I think the gap between 2-4 isn't a large one. The only big fall off is from Embiid to 2-4.

This is basically what I've been thinking during this entire thread. Embiid is the best prospect but I absolutely will not be upset with any of the top 4.

[Licensed to Il]

Again, its fair to point out that Mello is not a plus defender and that he is a ball stopper on offense. And his career is what it is. But it is illogical to say that a current prospect (Parker) who has similar size and skills is destined for the same career pattern.

NBA Champs come in every shape and style. Even the Spurs have won with great defense and grit, as well as beautiful ball movement and balance. The Bulls had a dynasty without any bigs that could score. The 80s Celtics had the best frontcourt of all time. Showtime had a 6'10 point guard. The Bad Boys was driven by great coaching, two undersized hall of famers in the backcourt, and nasty role players. Shaq and Kobe were the best at the 5 and the 2. All this to say, no talented player should be off the table for a team in building mode. The Bucks need to acquire the most talented players they can. If Parker is that guy, there will be no "curse of Mello" hanging over him.

[LUKE23]

This is basically what I've been thinking during this entire thread. Embiid is the best prospect but I absolutely will not be upset with any of the top 4.

I think the only way you can legitimately get pissed off in this draft is if:

1. Embiid is there at #2 and we pass on him
2. We take someone other than Wiggins/Parker/Exum at #2 if Embiid goes #1

I want Wiggins if Embiid isn't there, but I understand the rationale behind picking either Exum or Parker. That's basically where I'm at right now.