2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

[Whiteman]

That was a worthy season finale.

Spoiler:

If there's an Emmy for best incest scene, this episode deserves it.

Enjoyed all the sibling stuff. Blood runs deep, even when you're as cold as Cersei, as unbrave as Theon, or as different as Arya and Sansa.

I found Littlefinger's trial and execution perfectly satisfying. I took a few episodes to set up (even if that wasn't always obvious), and it all made sense enough. A schemer relies on secrecy, and there is none to be had when a 3-eyed raven is near.

The wall being so easily breached was disappointing, but it does make the great war more concrete. I don't mind this part of the story moving on a bit. Also, am I the only one who wondered how often dragons have to refuel?

[Ron Swanson]

I don't want to make it seem like I didn't thoroughly enjoy the season. I did. It's just lost a lot of what made it one of the best HBO shows ever for me. It's something completely different at this point.

Gone are the shocking moments, plot twists, and savvy political intrigue that, even juxtaposed against the backdrop of dragons, zombies, and other mystical elements, comprised the show's core and made it so different from every other contemporary "fantasy show/film" out there. There were just so many eye-rolling cliche's in this last episode ("So what are you doing still talking to me then?", Theon's "fight scene", the Hallmark Channel-esque romance scenes with Dany/Jon, etc.).

Oh well, bring on the final season and the great war. At least then it will stop trying to pretend it's something it's not and just give us awesome, epic battles and CGI stuff.

[Chuck Diesel]

Thrones

Spoiler:

The Iron Islands culture & religious believes are so dope. It's a shame they've been dragged down/wrapped up in so much cockless Theon plot.

Season 8-

Theon arrives on the Iron Islands, frantically searches for the box with his dick in it & then leaves without trying to save his sister. [spoiler]

[El Duderino]

I don't want to make it seem like I didn't thoroughly enjoy the season. I did. It's just lost a lot of what made it one of the best HBO shows ever for me. It's something completely different at this point.

Gone are the shocking moments, plot twists, and savvy political intrigue that, even juxtaposed against the backdrop of dragons, zombies, and other mystical elements, comprised the show's core and made it so different from every other contemporary "fantasy show/film" out there. There were just so many eye-rolling cliche's in this last episode ("So what are you doing still talking to me then?", Theon's "fight scene", the Hallmark Channel-esque romance scenes with Dany/Jon, etc.).

Oh well, bring on the final season and the great war. At least then it will stop trying to pretend it's something it's not and just give us awesome, epic battles and CGI stuff.

While i enjoy the dragons, i'm with you in much preferring the non-mystical elements of the show. For the last few seasons with the walkers aspect waiting in the background, i was more fearing they would become the main element of the show at the end vs looking forward to it.

[Turk Nowitzki]

One other random GoT thought:

I really loved everything about this scene/winter in King's Landing montage.

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[HKPackFan]

Spoiler:

Incest is best! And ignorant incest is even better! You know nothing Jon Snow! Woohoo!

So I guess the magic holding back the walker army is immediately nullified when an undead dragon blows it down? They really didn't explain that properly.

Loved the LF setup. Even LF has a soft spot for the girl he's been drooling over. That's the stuff that gets you killed, that was his weakness, his blind spot, and she took advantage of it. Blood is thicker than water, it was a fun episode watching families come together or tear apart. The Lannisters, the Starks, the Hound VS the Mountain, Theon and his sister. It was a nice episode. Jon Snow telling Theon he's a Greyjoy and Stark, not realizing he himself is both a Stark and Targarean. Theon fight scene was lame, but he's been a pussy for so long, they had to show his people he's got his balls back, even though literally kneeing him in the balls does nothing to him.

I liked the Dragon Pit scene. After 7 years finally bringing every major and/or secondary character together (minus the other stark siblings) in one scene was fun to see. I was actually pleased thinking (they don't even need to cut away from the dragon pit scene, because EVERYONE IS HERE!).

I thought it was a nice scene of reunions balancing humor and getting onto the tense meeting.

The season is more predictable, and I agree with others that's what made it the greatest show ever, was having your favorites die, or characters you truly felt were the most important part of the story and there is no way they could be killed off, and yet they were tossed away. No one was safe. We are a bit removed from that now, no one seems to be in real danger anymore, so agreed they are going to have to start cutting out important characters again to bring back that fear.

RS's article is pretty accurate.

[jakecronus8]

GOT

Spoiler:

I think Tyrion made some sort of deal with Cersei and that look was guilt.

Cersei brings up her pregnancy right after Tyrion tells her how much he loved Tommen and Myrcella. Cut away and we don't see what was discussed. Don't know what deal he could've struck but it could've involved sparing Jaime.

People would hate it but GOT is due to break our hearts soon, and Tyrion (the most universally loved character on the show) would be the perfect out of left field choice to do so.

[th87]

This season of Game Of Thrones was illogical, dumb, and fun as hell

Feel like this sums my thoughts up pretty well.

This season of Game Of Thrones was a fast-paced, wildly fun ride filled with huge battle sequences, long-awaited reunions, thrilling team-ups, and some of the most memorable deaths in the series’ history.

This season of Game Of Thrones was a knowingly rushed, ludicrously implausible bit of fan service, filled with improbable character alliances that seemed like they were lifted from some multiplayer video game, romances that felt like direct pandering to “shippers,” and some of the least surprising ends for the most relatively disposable characters left in a show that’s rapidly running out of major players to kill.

These statements sum up the general sentiments on either side of the drama’s polarizing seventh season—and I agree with both of them. This season was breakneck, sloppy, and occasionally downright stupid. It was also a lot of fun.

I don’t begrudge anyone else’s fascination with the details, just like I don’t find anything wrong with indulging in speculation over how and where, exactly, the White Walkers could best circumvent the Wall. For some, these are the pursuits that enrich the story and deepen their connection. On my end, I was perfectly happy that the White Walkers just ended up taking a big **** ice dragon to it. It was a big, obvious, ham-fisted narrative decision that was completely lacking in subtlety and, most likely, proper dragon science. But it made for great television.

Despite also understanding the dissent, I have likewise enjoyed the fact that this season, characters appeared to have magically unlocked warp zones that allowed them to pop up in distant lands over the course of an episode; that Jon Snow, through sheer screenwriter contrivance, conveniently managed to assemble an Avengers dream team out of all the series’ most badass secondaries; that this team then went on a totally badass, yet laughably ill-thought-out suicide mission to swing some flaming swords at a vast undead army; that they were only rescued by Daenerys swooping in to save them, atop a dragon that she could have easily swept over a field of wights her damn self without sacrificing anyone.

I get that, to some people, these things represent utter betrayals of characters who have in the past been shown to be relentlessly meticulous tacticians, or that they don’t even appear to be born from the same source material, which has always been so methodical about its plotting and geography. But, bad fantasy fan that I am, I’ve found this season’s reckless disregard of the specifics to have invigorated a show that has, in my opinion, occasionally gotten way too bogged down in them.

Woooooorrrrrrrd.

D&D have been successful in courting that type of fan - they're going after that Avengers money.

Disappointing for me though; it's like the Bucks being "competitive" and chasing the 8 seed, rather than taking risks and chasing greatness.

[RRyder823]

Spoiler:

Damn good finale. Needed it after the trash that was episode 6.

But.......

Old GoTs kills Jamie off. Watching that scene had me n my friends all lean forward at the same time only to be reminded that the show has given way to much plot armour out. +5 Elven chain ain't got nothing on that

After the episode the show runners talk about how the Wall has kept the White Walkers out so they needed something like a dragon to take it down. My question is this. Exactly wtf was the Nights Kings plan to get through the Wall if he wasnt just gifted a Dragon like a week earlier? Was he like damn? "We needed a undead dragon to blow a hole in the wall. Good one those morons were kind enough to help me otherwise I was just marching my army to the wall to stare at it"

Yes the Theon fight was bad but I really liked him n Jon before hand.

Hated LF turning into a bitch at the end. Really Arya and Sansa were completely pointless this season. No point to it when all they did at the end was call him out for things the 2 of them knew he did and put him on trial. Thats not him being outplayed by them. Thats the show runners taking any guile LF had from him and quite honestly could've happened at the beginning of this season cause none of the lead up had any bearing on it.

While the Danny/Jon hookup is strange to say the least I thought the voice over with Bran was great even though it was information we all already knew.

While this episode used alot of the same plot devices I've complained about all year the dialogue in most if the scenes more then made up for it

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[hege53190]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

[emunney]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

[humanrefutation]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

Agreed. Here's a good video that summarizes everything that lead up to Robert's Rebellion.

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[MickeyDavis]

I think sometime before the final season next year I'm going to rewatch from the beginning.

[Max Green]

I think sometime before the final season next year I'm going to rewatch from the beginning.

I was thinking about doing the same thing. So much good stuff in the first few seasons that I can barely remember and want to see again like Ned vs. Jaime in Kingsfall.

[emunney]

The Deuce is great.

[ReasonablySober]

Getting into Billions. Like it.

[RRyder823]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

Spoiler:

Robert was also **** crazy in love with Lyanna even though he barley knew her.

He probably goes to war anyways

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[Siefer]

GOT:

Spoiler:

There were a lot of fun moments this season, but they were just that, moments. The writing really took a dive, and while I sympathize with the situation (ending this monstrous story without source material), that doesn't make it any less disappointing. In service of getting to the plot points they needed to get to, D&D seemingly gave up on consistent characterization, coherent plot, and any semblance of pacing. Big moments are special when they feel like a natural outcome of events, and impact complex characters we empathize with. Without those building blocks, this season's spectacle felt hollow.

[humanrefutation]

I think sometime before the final season next year I'm going to rewatch from the beginning.

I was thinking about doing the same thing. So much good stuff in the first few seasons that I can barely remember and want to see again like Ned vs. Jaime in Kingsfall.

One of my friends just started doing that. It looked like a good idea to me. I'll probably start in the month leading up to the final season.

[ReasonablySober]

I liked this guide to the shows returning this fall. I'm somehow caught up on all the ones I've enjoyed.

For f*cks sake watch The Good Place, already, if you haven't. It's a Michael Schur show with Ted Danson and Kristen Bell at their comedic best.