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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal 

Post#1861 » by blazza18 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 12:53 am

FlagsFlyForever wrote:Horst has been here five years and hasn't made a major mistake. Perhaps for a team in the position the Bucks are in, that's the best asset a GM can have. The Bucks don't have any anchor contracts that hold the team back. When he makes a mistake, it's minor. Like signing Ojeleye to a minimum contract the year he had the worst season of his career or whiffing on a late draft pick.

Horst built a team around a superstar that has been capable of winning the championship for the past several seasons. That's something that can't be said about other GMs with superstars like Sam Presti, Sean Marks, Lawrence Frank, Calvin Booth, or Nico Harrison.




Do you not consider signing Tony Snell to a multi year contract and then dumping him with a first round pick less than 12 months a mistake? Are his draft values not viewed poorly either?

And I'm confused at how the GM's of the Clippers, Nuggets, Nets and Mavs haven't built their team around stars capable of winning a title?
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Post#1862 » by Prez » Sat Jul 2, 2022 12:53 am

Could be wrong but think they just go the midseason trade route again based on their history, and would be cool with that. We basically alternate between that working/not working, from Hill > Mirotic > PJ > Ibaka. Hopefully that pattern holds and we get the good mid season pickup this time lol.
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Post#1863 » by SupremeHustle » Sat Jul 2, 2022 12:57 am

Did anyone here actually watch Ingles play last season? His numbers aren't impressive but how did he look?
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Post#1864 » by SirChurros » Sat Jul 2, 2022 12:58 am

Prez wrote:Could be wrong but think they just go the midseason trade route again based on their history, and would be cool with that. We basically alternate between that working/not working, from Hill > Mirotic > PJ > Ibaka. Hopefully that pattern holds and we get the good mid season pickup this time lol.

I agree. I’d put good money on us being done.
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Post#1865 » by Giannisland34 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:04 am

So are you talking about former exec of the year Horst? That hasn’t made any major mistakes since receiving that award. That would mean he’s closer to the top than the worst GM in the league.
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Post#1866 » by BroncoBuck » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:13 am

SupremeHustle wrote:Did anyone here actually watch Ingles play last season? His numbers aren't impressive but how did he look?


He looked slow, but to be fair he’s another guy who didn’t have an off-season and played in the Olympics (where I thought he played well).

The Bucks roster has quite a few Olympians

Jrue
Khris
Joe
Nwora
Luca

Then we have the guys who didn’t qualify:

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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal 

Post#1867 » by FlagsFlyForever » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:14 am

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FlagsFlyForever wrote:Horst has been here five years and hasn't made a major mistake. Perhaps for a team in the position the Bucks are in, that's the best asset a GM can have. The Bucks don't have any anchor contracts that hold the team back. When he makes a mistake, it's minor. Like signing Ojeleye to a minimum contract the year he had the worst season of his career or whiffing on a late draft pick.

Horst built a team around a superstar that has been capable of winning the championship for the past several seasons. That's something that can't be said about other GMs with superstars like Sam Presti, Sean Marks, Lawrence Frank, Calvin Booth, or Nico Harrison.




Do you not consider signing Tony Snell to a multi year contract and then dumping him with a first round pick less than 12 months a mistake? Are his draft values not viewed poorly either?

And I'm confused at how the GM's of the Clippers, Nuggets, Nets and Mavs haven't built their team around stars capable of winning a title?

I didn't say Horst hasn't made any mistakes. He absolutely has. I said Horst hasn't made any major mistakes. Tony Snell was never one of the worst contracts in the league and the 30th pick in the draft doesn't have tremendous value in my opinion.

I don't know if I would view his use of draft picks negatively. He's only had late picks to work with. He's whiffed on some picks but he's also hit big time when he used them to acquire crucial pieces like Jrue and Tucker.

The Clippers, Nuggets, Nets, and Mavs have never been to the Finals or had the best record in the league. They haven't had a multi-year stretch of being serious contenders. It seems like randy84's argument is teams with players the caliber of Kawhi, Jokic, Durant, and Luka will automatically be champions regardless of the rest of the roster.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal 

Post#1868 » by emunney » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:21 am

The Snell signing was not good but I don't think it was a major mistake. Snell made sense for us and if we could have afforded to keep him, even though he was somewhat overpaid, we should have, but it so happened that Horst hit on two other moves so perfectly (Brook and Hill) that space had to be cleared, and the 30th pick was the cost. In essence, signing Snell was as big a miss as picking a non-contributor with the 30th pick, minus one ok year of Tony Snell.
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Post#1869 » by Plossum » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:29 am

SupremeHustle wrote:Did anyone here actually watch Ingles play last season? His numbers aren't impressive but how did he look?

He looked to be on the downward slide of his career. Really important culture guy for that team though. They fell apart badly when they lost his vet presence.

He looked like he’d lost a step though. Wasn’t staying in front of guys defensively as well as he used to. His three point shot dropped off alarmingly too.

Hopefully the time he has needed to take to rehab his knee will give the whole body a bit of a refresh. If we can get 90% of prime Utah Jingles it’ll be great for us. If we get final year Utah Jingles I think he’ll be a one and done guy for us.
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Post#1870 » by emunney » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:31 am

Think we're probably in a holding pattern until Nwora is settled. My hope is we can threaten to match unless we get a trade exception out of it. I don't care the asset is -- could be one American dollar or the draft rights to some 47 year old Bulgarian pork golem. Just give me the trade exception.
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Post#1871 » by Plossum » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:33 am

Would love if we can somehow snag Myles from the Pacers but hard to see it happening with what we have to offer.

If not possible, gotta get a wing. We can’t move forward starting Grayson or Wes.
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Post#1873 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:52 am

Can we get Jarred Vanderbilt from Utah? He'd be an awesome backup big.
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Post#1875 » by rilamann » Sat Jul 2, 2022 2:01 am

The great thing in all of this is that at the end of the day, we still have the best player in the league.

Celtics getting Brogdon was a pretty good gut punch though. Feels like we need to add a solid rotation player or upgrade our starting SG position to kind of checkmate Boston for acquiring Brogdon.
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Post#1876 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 2:26 am

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Post#1878 » by DrWood » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:29 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Can we get Jarred Vanderbilt from Utah? He'd be an awesome backup big.

Will the Bucks sign someone who can't shoot 3s and is only OK on defense? He's a good player, but is he a Buck?
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Post#1879 » by DrWood » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:31 am

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Prez wrote:Could be wrong but think they just go the midseason trade route again based on their history, and would be cool with that. We basically alternate between that working/not working, from Hill > Mirotic > PJ > Ibaka. Hopefully that pattern holds and we get the good mid season pickup this time lol.

I agree. I’d put good money on us being done.

I think it's 50-50 to make a significant move.
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Post#1880 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:38 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Can we get Jarred Vanderbilt from Utah? He'd be an awesome backup big.

Will the Bucks sign someone who can't shoot 3s and is only OK on defense? He's a good player, but is he a Buck?

I mean they wanted Javale McGee and Vanderbilt is like insanely awesome on defense.
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