Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[StickeeFingaz]

Not a single clip of Lillard in action during camp, cmon Bucks.

[HKPackFan]

I actually think Dame is being underrated right now for three reasons:

#1 his former team hasn't done anything. Being in a small market that's insignificant and he's off in the great northwest by himself with no hope of being a contender he's overlooked.

#2 he's not a new shiny toy. Dame time is over a decade, the NBA gets bored and if you aren't a contender nor a new shiny toy the NBA gets bored and does pay much attention.

#3 Dame is the SECOND greatest shooter in the NBA. Steph curry gets all the spotlight. The champion, the MVP, the greatest shooter ever. He's part of a dynasty, he's contending every year, he's part of the California spotlight, he's on national TV constantly. Second greatest has a big shadow next to the greatest.


I really think being with the bucks is going to change all this for Dame.

Dominating the east, making insane shots during national TV. Being in the MVP conversation, being on a contender. Dame is going to shine bright. Best shooter in the east and being able to go toe to toe vs golden state and other contenders.

Dame and Giannis is going to become must see TV.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Midds 24ppg on great efficiency the last time he played = not a good basketball player anymore

Jrue awful efficiency while giving up like 40ppg to Butler = guy the Bucks should have kept who now makes the Celtics favorites

Last two games he went 14-36 from the field, was a big part of both 4th quarter meltdowns, and a complete turnstile on defense.

Nobody covered themselves in glory in that series, but he wasn’t good.

Midds has maybe one bad game out of five against the Heat. Game 4 4-12 14 points 8 assist 6 boards 51TS% +5 (best on the team)

For comparison, Jrue game 4 6-19 14 points 4 assists 7 boards -2 while being the main defender on the guy who put up 56 points.

Midds game 5 was 10-24 but also put up 33 points on a 59TS%. Midds in game five was not the issue. Bud allowing them to go away from Midds to let Giannis and Midds play hot potato at the top of the key was the issue.

I will give Jrue credit in game five for holding Jimmy to 42 points. Perhaps if there had been a game six he might have gotten him into the 30s, but we’ll never know because Jrue missed a clutch free throw that allowed Jimmy to tie the game with a two instead of the Heat needing a 3 with 1 second left.

I’m not trying to argue jrue was good in that series. He was terrible, and arguably our worst player.

But this year we have a different coach and we have Dame. In that context, I want his skill set more than Middleton’s at this stage of their careers.

[soxperry]

yeah really shoulda kept this guy around

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Jrue is in the twilight of his career. He's got a ring and he's got a gold medal. He's content. This is all just theater for him now. There's probably a mental health aspect to this that's actually healthy.. but that's not what we need on this team.

Giannis is hungry as ever and now we got a starving dog coming in here ready to eat.

[Bucksmaniac]

Last two games he went 14-36 from the field, was a big part of both 4th quarter meltdowns, and a complete turnstile on defense.

Nobody covered themselves in glory in that series, but he wasn’t good.

Midds has maybe one bad game out of five against the Heat. Game 4 4-12 14 points 8 assist 6 boards 51TS% +5 (best on the team)

For comparison, Jrue game 4 6-19 14 points 4 assists 7 boards -2 while being the main defender on the guy who put up 56 points.

Midds game 5 was 10-24 but also put up 33 points on a 59TS%. Midds in game five was not the issue. Bud allowing them to go away from Midds to let Giannis and Midds play hot potato at the top of the key was the issue.

I will give Jrue credit in game five for holding Jimmy to 42 points. Perhaps if there had been a game six he might have gotten him into the 30s, but we’ll never know because Jrue missed a clutch free throw that allowed Jimmy to tie the game with a two instead of the Heat needing a 3 with 1 second left.

I’m not trying to argue jrue was good in that series. He was terrible, and arguably our worst player.

But this year we have a different coach and we have Dame. In that context, I want his skill set more than Middleton’s at this stage of their careers.

I think there’s an argument to want Middleton at this point, I’m definitely a bit worried Jrue’s postseason struggles will get in his head (of course now it’s not a worry since he’s not a Buck anymore), and Middleton being the better shooter of the two is valuable. To have two of our potential Big 3 be great shooters and all three having a solid slash game with what Middleton showed last year is lethal, if Midds could just be 80-90% of his championship year ability.

[rilamann]

yeah really shoulda kept this guy around

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I remember that.

My post from back on April 26th, a couple hours after game 5.

If you're Jrue Holiday, it would almost be hard to show your face in a Buck's uniform again after his performance. Like no matter what he does from this point on, I'll never be able to look at him the same from a basketball standpoint.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Midds has maybe one bad game out of five against the Heat. Game 4 4-12 14 points 8 assist 6 boards 51TS% +5 (best on the team)

For comparison, Jrue game 4 6-19 14 points 4 assists 7 boards -2 while being the main defender on the guy who put up 56 points.

Midds game 5 was 10-24 but also put up 33 points on a 59TS%. Midds in game five was not the issue. Bud allowing them to go away from Midds to let Giannis and Midds play hot potato at the top of the key was the issue.

I will give Jrue credit in game five for holding Jimmy to 42 points. Perhaps if there had been a game six he might have gotten him into the 30s, but we’ll never know because Jrue missed a clutch free throw that allowed Jimmy to tie the game with a two instead of the Heat needing a 3 with 1 second left.

I’m not trying to argue jrue was good in that series. He was terrible, and arguably our worst player.

But this year we have a different coach and we have Dame. In that context, I want his skill set more than Middleton’s at this stage of their careers.

I think there’s an argument to want Middleton at this point, I’m definitely a bit worried Jrue’s postseason struggles will get in his head (of course now it’s not a worry since he’s not a Buck anymore), and Middleton being the better shooter of the two is valuable. To have two of our potential Big 3 be great shooters and all three having a solid slash game with what Middleton showed last year is lethal, if Midds could just be 80-90% of his championship year ability.

The better shooter argument is fair, but I can’t see Middleton being content as a glorified floor spacer. If he focuses on defense and being a sniper then I’m all for it, but that’s not his game. He gets into his rhythm by handling the ball and shooting off isolations. That has value in the regular season, where we’ll need someone to eat up usage. But in the postseason, it’s going to be the Dame and Giannis show on offense and we need more dawgs.

[skones]

#3 Dame is the SECOND greatest shooter in the NBA. Steph curry gets all the spotlight. The champion, the MVP, the greatest shooter ever. He's part of a dynasty, he's contending every year, he's part of the California spotlight, he's on national TV constantly. Second greatest has a big shadow next to the greatest.

This was actually a pooping thought I had yesterday. If Steph didn't exist, what would Lillard's legacy be? and would it at all be similar had Curry not made the league a jack it up from deep league?

[Ayt]

I'm skeptical that they actually see a lot of double teams.

How do you expect teams to defend Dame in the pick and roll?

[ReasonablySober]

I'm skeptical that they actually see a lot of double teams.

How do you expect teams to defend Dame in the pick and roll?

Not doubling.

[nagawicka]

Khris had offseason surgery, right? So maybe hes just being cautious with recovery. This is why trading for Dame was the right move, though. We can still win without Khris. Its harder but its possible.

Just imagine had we traded Khris for Dame instead of Jrue.

This roster would be perfect imo, Dame/Jrue is the perfect backcourt and we can easily plug Marjon/Jae in for Khris.


I really fear Khris is going to end up like Bakhtiari, hope I am wrong.

I couldn't disagree more. IMO Jrue was the right one to move.

LOL

[Prez]

Wait MarJon won 1v1 against who? Lol

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[TroyD92]

It’s Marjon season baby

[Prez]

Apparently Griff said he’s won the 1on1 contest on the team 2 days straight

Between this, Mids’ comments, Brook’s comments, Dame totally unprompted praising him, it would be a bummer if MarJon’s not at least a decent rotation piece this year. Def feels like there’s some sort of mini-leap coming? Or at least seems like the team is expecting one.

I have some seriously irresponsible takes in me but imma give it at least a couple preseason games before I cook

[drdrG]

Wait MarJon won 1v1 against who? Lol

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No f***ing way. Dame and Giannis twice in a row?

[soxperry]

Apparently Griff said he’s won the 1on1 contest on the team 2 days straight

Between this, Mids’ comments, Brook’s comments, Dame totally unprompted praising him, it would be a bummer if MarJon’s not at least a decent rotation piece this year. Def feels like there’s some sort of mini-leap coming? Or at least seems like the team is expecting one.

I have some seriously irresponsible takes in me but imma give it at least a couple preseason games before I cook

the skeptic in me says "this is all just fluff."

but we got Dame, so i'm going to assume that Marjon is now our 4th best player and could pass Khris up by the end of the season.

[FrieAaron]

Marjon being a legit rotation piece would be huge.

[tedbrogen]

I'm skeptical that they actually see a lot of double teams.

How do you expect teams to defend Dame in the pick and roll?

Not doubling.

If you don’t send help on the Dame/Giannis PnR the two outcomes are Dame gets an open three or one of Dame/Giannis get an easy opportunity at the rim. There is no way to defend it by hedging, switching, fighting over, or trapping that has any chance to be routinely effective unless you send additional help.

Dame running a PnR was like the most efficient play in basketball last year. And that was with Nurkic and Eubanks setting the screens for him.

[ReasonablySober]

How do you expect teams to defend Dame in the pick and roll?

Not doubling.

If you don’t send help on the Dame/Giannis PnR the two outcomes are Dame gets an open three or one of Dame/Giannis get an easy opportunity at the rim. There is no way to defend it by hedging, switching, fighting over, or trapping that has any chance to be routinely effective unless you send additional help.

Dame running a PnR was like the most efficient play in basketball last year. And that was with Nurkic and Eubanks setting the screens for him.

I think teams are going to let Dame live 25 feet from the rim. They can't give Giannis an easy run to the hoop. That will never happen. An open look in the corner from Middleton is no better.

[tedbrogen]

Dame shooting threes is 37% for his career. So letting him walk into threes is 1.11 ppp or better if Giannis’ gravity makes the looks easier. Teams are definitely not going to take the approach of daring Dame to shoot.