Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

europa · Post #1881 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 am

BuckPack wrote:Tells me that they're leaning towards trying to re-sign him, but I don't know.

If I had to make a prediction today I'd say that's the intention.

Consequence · Post #1882 » by **Consequence** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 am

The Raptors will not trade their pick for Jennings.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1883 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 am

We should go all the way to the deadline trying to unload Jax, and then at the last minute say "okay, okay, you can have Gooden instead. I guess."

Sounds like Brandon is getting his excuses ready for the next stretch of horrible play. This will be the story of his first 5 years in the league. A whole series of rationalizations by him and his fans to deny the simple fact that he's just not the star he fooled so many of us into thinking he was.

I think the deal is Ellis/Lee. Bucks don't want an injured Curry, they want to get help now and make the playoffs!

kid idioteque · Post #1884 » by **kid idioteque** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 am

Bogut + Delfino or Gooden or Jackson for Curry, Lee, and Thompson would be outstanding. If you can pry Curry and Thompson away for Bogut, I would consider that a rousing success.

Haven't seen anyone mention yet that we play the Warriors on Friday in Oakland.

Post #1885 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:18 am

Consequence wrote:The Raptors will not trade their pick for Jennings.

Right, just like you guys told us for two months in the spring of 2006 that BC would never, ever trade Charlie V. for injury prone midget TJ Ford.

LUKE23 · Post #1886 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:18 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Sounds like Brandon is getting his excuses ready for the next stretch of horrible play. This will be the story of his first 5 years in the league. A whole series of rationalizations by him and his fans to deny the simple fact that he's just not the star he fooled so many of us into thinking he was.

Yeah, he's playing really poorly recently. Oh wait...

Post #1887 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:19 am

kid idioteque wrote:
Haven't seen anyone mention yet that we play the Warriors on Friday in Oakland.

Herb loves to save on these travel costs for acquired players. :wink:

Consequence · Post #1888 » by **Consequence** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:21 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Consequence wrote:The Raptors will not trade their pick for Jennings.

Right, just like you guys told us for two months in the spring of 2006 that BC would never, ever trade Charlie V. for injury prone midget TJ Ford.

That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1889 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:21 am

LUKE23 wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
Sounds like Brandon is getting his excuses ready for the next stretch of horrible play. This will be the story of his first 5 years in the league. A whole series of rationalizations by him and his fans to deny the simple fact that he's just not the star he fooled so many of us into thinking he was.

Yeah, he's playing really poorly recently. Oh wait...

Just the rare "up" in an otherwise endless cascade of "downs". Considering what the all-star snub precipitated, I can only imagine how the trade rumors are going to affect his play.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1890 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:22 am

kid idioteque wrote:Haven't seen anyone mention yet that we play the Warriors on Friday in Oakland.

Luckily for us, Bogut can't have a good game preventing him from being traded.

bucksbrewers3 · Post #1891 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:22 am

Consequence wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Consequence wrote:The Raptors will not trade their pick for Jennings.

Right, just like you guys told us for two months in the spring of 2006 that BC would never, ever trade Charlie V. for injury prone midget TJ Ford.

That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

im confused as to how basically 3 years of control is "short term returns"

MiltownMadness · Post #1892 » by **MiltownMadness** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:22 am

Consequence wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Consequence wrote:The Raptors will not trade their pick for Jennings.

Right, just like you guys told us for two months in the spring of 2006 that BC would never, ever trade Charlie V. for injury prone midget TJ Ford.

That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

Holy crap this is all sorts of stupid.

Mags FTW · Post #1893 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:23 am

LUKE23 · Post #1894 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:23 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:
Just the rare "up" in an otherwise endless cascade of "downs". Considering what the all-star snub precipitated, I can only imagine how the trade rumors are going to affect his play.

Except for the fact (ignored by many) that the ups have been more frequent than the downs this season. The "down" was just really down.

By my count, it's now 27 games (in two different stretches) of good play, and 15 games of EXTREMELY poor play, which is not excused, obviously.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1895 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:24 am

eagle13 wrote:to me it seems you use BJ (small salary) to move Jax or Gooden for a marginal not awful player/contract instead of the garbage that you'd have to take back for Jax or drew alone. Then you trade Bogut unencumberd w/ dead weight for only positive assets.

Agreed. You might have to include a contract to make a Jennings trade work anyway. Jax won't stop a lot of teams from trading for Jennings because those two combined make about what Bogut makes. Not that much in NBA terms. And Jax expires in time for a Jennings extension. No reason to include Jax in a Bogut trade, though.

europa · Post #1896 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:24 am

Consequence wrote:That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

It's actually very similar. It's Toronto parting with youth in some form for youth at PG.

xTitan · Post #1897 » by **xTitan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:24 am

LUKE23 wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
Sounds like Brandon is getting his excuses ready for the next stretch of horrible play. This will be the story of his first 5 years in the league. A whole series of rationalizations by him and his fans to deny the simple fact that he's just not the star he fooled so many of us into thinking he was.

Yeah, he's playing really poorly recently. Oh wait...

depends on the day

Consequence · Post #1898 » by **Consequence** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:25 am

bucksbrewers3 wrote:
Consequence wrote:That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

im confused as to how basically 3 years of control is "short term returns"

Compared to 5 it is.

MiltownMadness wrote:Holy crap this is all sorts of stupid.

See above.

xTitan · Post #1899 » by **xTitan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:25 am

LUKE23 wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
Just the rare "up" in an otherwise endless cascade of "downs". Considering what the all-star snub precipitated, I can only imagine how the trade rumors are going to affect his play.

Except for the fact (ignored by many) that the ups have been more frequent than the downs this season. The "down" was just really down.

By my count, it's now 27 games (in two different stretches) of good play, and 15 games of EXTREMELY poor play, which is not excused, obviously.

so your notion of good play is scoring a lot of points?

JustinCredible · Post #1900 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:26 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
kid idioteque wrote:
Haven't seen anyone mention yet that we play the Warriors on Friday in Oakland.

Herb loves to save on these travel costs for acquired players.

Unfortunately our Front Office isn't smart enough to realize the deadline is Thursday.