'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

[machu46]

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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... mike-bibby

Bibby put up twice as many 3s and was a better shooter but pretty close production-wise

Yeah, that comparison has been around for awhile. He's usually compared to Bibby, a weaker Andre Miller, a less-flashy Mark Jackson, or Jose Calderon with less of a jumpshot.

I've watched every college game of his career along with a good amount of his high school games... I think his best case scenario is being a below average starting PG. Just don't see it with him at all. Poor defender, poor finisher, not much of a creator, not much of a shooter.

[Baddy Chuck]

I rather just sign Greivis Vasquez then draft Ennis anywhere in like the top 20.

[Zeezprah]

problem is, i think there's a big drop off in talent after the top 4 (why i'm so glad we're getting a top 4 pick)

i actually like randle and vonleh, but they're not superstars. randle could be damn good, but i still see him as that 15-16 and 10-12 guy. doesn't have that "wow".

gordon is basically a role player on a contender. he could be good, but it's gonna come from rebounding and hustle.. all the "dirty work".

not a smart fan at all.

[machu46]

problem is, i think there's a big drop off in talent after the top 4 (why i'm so glad we're getting a top 4 pick)

i actually like randle and vonleh, but they're not superstars. randle could be damn good, but i still see him as that 15-16 and 10-12 guy. doesn't have that "wow".

gordon is basically a role player on a contender. he could be good, but it's gonna come from rebounding and hustle.. all the "dirty work".

not a smart fan at all.

Agreed. To me, Wiggins and a healthy Embiid are a tier above everyone else, but Exum and Jabari are both very good as well. After that, there's another drop off. But any other year, I'd be happy with Randle, Smart, Vonleh, or Gordon as well. If we end up getting the 4th pick, I think I'll be able to convince myself to be happy no matter who we pick. If we end up with one of the top 3 picks and take Randle, Smart, Vonleh, or god forbid Gordon, THEN I'd be pretty pissed off. But regardless, I think all eight of those guys have a very good chance of being impact players at the next level.

[JustinCredible]

I am starting to really want either Wiggins or Parker. Embiid or Exum could be great, but in my mind there is just too much unknown with these guys. Wiggins and Parker appear 'safer' to me and with just as much upside.

[linguini8]

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Exum
4. Embiid

Wiggins the clear #1, if he improves his handles he could be Tracy McGrady good. I like Parker a lot, think he will turn out as a Glenn Robinson type. I'd love Exum paired with Giannis. Honestly don't want Embiid. Too many question marks.

If we end up at #2 and Wiggins is off the board, I'm hoping that Philly or Orlando end up at #4 and want Embiid. Then I'm taking Embiid at #2 and offering Embiid/31st for Exum/10 or 12

[VooDoo7]

If we end up with Exum, he has to start at the 1 from day one, right? Does Knight start at the 2 then, or come off the bench.

[randy84]

If we end up with Exum, he has to start at the 1 from day one, right? Does Knight start at the 2 then, or come off the bench.

Not sold on Exum. I can't even find his shooting percentages.

[breakchains]

This Lakers sh*t is so annoying. I almost want them to just get the #1 pick and us to get #2, just so they get their pick of the litter and all the other kids have to deal with the fact that the Lakers passed on them. Ideally, the Lakers would get the lowest possible pick with us getting #1, so, without looking at it, pick 8 I believe.

Unfortunately, for me, I think if LA gets the #1 pick they'd take Embiid.

[Rockmaninoff]

This Lakers sh*t is so annoying. I almost want them to just get the #1 pick and us to get #2, just so they get their pick of the litter and all the other kids have to deal with the fact that the Lakers passed on them. Ideally, the Lakers would get the lowest possible pick with us getting #1, so, without looking at it, pick 8 I believe.

Unfortunately, for me, I think if LA gets the #1 pick they'd take Embiid.

They've always drafted their star wings and signed/traded for their star bigs, if that makes you feel any better.

[Baddy Chuck]

They might've had enough of star big men with back problems for this decade too.

[paulpressey25]

A great piece on Joel Embiid.

http://hoopshype.com/columns/david-nurs ... biids-game

Some highlights (you guys can read the article for the lowlights):

In put-back scoring opportunities, Embiid converted at an All-Universe rate of 93 percent. Basically every offensive rebound Embiid can get his hands on, he’s finishing with his length, athleticism, and touch around the rim....

....In transition situations, Embiid is finishing at a clip of 1.105 points per possession in which he scored 63.3 percent of the times he was targeted on the break. And at 7-0, his ability to push the tempo and make life miserable in the open court on opposing big men is extremely attractive and tantalizing to any front office decision maker....

...When Embiid is passing out of the post, his assist-to-field goal percentage is a staggering 68.2 percent. Going even more in depth and indicating his high-level vision and ability to find the open player when double teamed, his AFG% is 66 percent to spot up shooters and 75 percent to cutters. That stat is extremely impressive and his post vision is a skill that will carry Embiid at the next level....

[Baddy Chuck]

The transition stat is a little misleading. I mean he only had 12 transition field goal attempts the entire season, it wasn't like he was a monster running the break.

Even the putback thing is pretty subjective. They say something like "Basically every offensive rebound Embiid can get his hands on, he’s finishing with his length, athleticism, and touch around the rim...." but he had 65 offensive rebounds and only had 15 "putback" shots.

[breakchains]

My greatest fear at the moment is that we get the #4 pick, Wiggins/Parker/Exum go 1-3, giving us the chance to get the best prospect in the draft (IMO) at 4, and then we pass on him for Randle.

[Wise1]

If someone throws up a poll, I'm betting that the Bucks end up with the second overall pick. With that pick, I think Jabari Parker comes off of the board. Hammond can't afford to wait on potential. He needs a rookie of the year if he hopes to win the favor of the new owners. I'd say any potential new hire would have that attitude. Bucks board imo:

1. Embiid
2. Parker
3. Wiggins
4. Smart
5. Exum

[RiotPunch]

If Hammond cannot afford to wait on potential, I don't see how Embiid is #1 on his board. He is definitely a project. Wiggins is the better bet to produce right away, especially defensively.

I do agree that Smart could be high on his board though. That is why I fear the 4th pick.

[Wise1]

A 7 footer with Embiid's ability is a no brainer. If he succumbs to injuries, at least you can explain to your boss that he was the jewel of the draft IF he remains healthy. I have Embiid going #1. It's his draft. Sure he's played less basketball, but he's no more of a project than any of the other top players imo. The refs will train him in year one with their whistles. Year 2, probably as good as Hibbert.

[HurricaneKid]

I sure hope not (to Wise's top 5). That would mean there is almost no chance we end up with Wiggins or Exum who are probably my two favorite prospects.

I really want to know what the Drs are saying about Embiids back. He has lost chunks of the last two years from it, needs to add another 30+ pounds, and played about 1/4 of the min I would like to see him get next year if he were on the Bucks. And as a relatively big guy with a bad back, I'll add that there aren't a lot if back issues that massively improve.

[paulpressey25]

needs to add another 30+ pounds

Embiid?

Sure, he can get physically stronger as his body matures. But big enough to play C in the NBA right now. This isn't John Henson we are talking about.

[Wise1]

The Bucks are in full rebuild. Even if you stash Embiid for a year due to back issues, you're likely in contention for another top 4 pick the following year....see Robinson/Duncan. Not ideal, but certainly a silver lining.