2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

[El Duderino]

Also, I did 13 Reason Why last week. Yea, that's some pretty heavy stuff. I thought overall well done but of course I could nitpick a few things. Probably worth a watch from anyone and just to remind people to stop being dicks to each other.

Did the premiere of Ozark last night and I'm sure I'll have it done quickly. Finished it and said "welp, yea they've gotten me on another one." Seems promising.

Ozark is a good watch. Never would have thought years ago that Justin Bateman would turn out to be a really good actor and he produces this series.

[hege53190]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

Spoiler:

Really? The King was bat **** crazy. Sure but going to his doorstep and Threatening to kill his son probably is going to start a war with that type of person. If Lyanna gives Brandon and Rickard a head's up and says, "hey I am just doing my own thing and running off with the Prince." Then Brandon doesn't go to Kings landing and Rickard doesn't follow him. Rickard doesn't get burned alive Brandon doesn't strangle himself. Robert has no reason to rebel because his bride to be wasn't stolen. She just left him.

You look at all the stuff in the video and all it proves was Aerys was spiteful. Mainly towards Tywin. Who lets face it was kind of a dick.

Lyanna and Rhaegar were unbelievably selfish and got pretty much everyone they cared about killed. IMO they are the main villains of ASOIAF

[emunney]

Man, Robb and whoever did theirs out in the open and it got everyone close to them killed. You just can't go back on alliances and have it not start ****. If it's not the North showing up at King's Landing, it's Dorne. And the Mad King has an equally Mad response. He goes full Saw at the drop of a hat. Your take is bad.

[Beorn]

Saw Dunkirk: Absolutely amazing photography, but there was no scenario at all. Appreciate the effort, but I'd give it a 5/10 overall. Reminds me a bit an ultra-talented version of an Army TV production (Αρετη και Τολμη, greek fellas may understand)

[jakecronus8]

GOT

Spoiler:

When is anyone going to mention that Lyanna and Rhaegar are the two worst people in this story? They almost get deity like status because of mythology of R+L=J. But their careless decision making and lack of notifying anyone directly led to pretty much the slaughter of their families and deaths of millions in Westeros.

If they just said, " Hey we are crazy in love." Lyanna's father and brother don't go to king's landing and get roasted alive, Robert doesn't start the rebellion. Rhaegar's kids and wife don't get slaughtered by the mountain. Although he might not even care considering he doesn't think enough of them to even keep them legitimate. I mean who does that? You have a kid in wedlock. But then get an annulment. Especially in Westeros where being a bastard is a mark you carry around every time someone says your name.

And best of all Millions of people don't have to live in a war torn country.

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

Spoiler:

Really? The King was bat **** crazy. Sure but going to his doorstep and Threatening to kill his son probably is going to start a war with that type of person. If Lyanna gives Brandon and Rickard a head's up and says, "hey I am just doing my own thing and running off with the Prince." Then Brandon doesn't go to Kings landing and Rickard doesn't follow him. Rickard doesn't get burned alive Brandon doesn't strangle himself. Robert has no reason to rebel because his bride to be wasn't stolen. She just left him.

You look at all the stuff in the video and all it proves was Aerys was spiteful. Mainly towards Tywin. Who lets face it was kind of a dick.

Lyanna and Rhaegar were unbelievably selfish and got pretty much everyone they cared about killed. IMO they are the main villains of ASOIAF

I want to disagree but this is pretty much spot on.

[RRyder823]

Spoiler:

I don't buy that R and L having their romance out in the open prevents large scale conflict. The core problem for the realm was that the king was bat ****. That problem was going to find a violent resolution, and R and L's relationship was going to be a major problem either way. Maybe it shakes out a little differently, but a contested throne is a contested throne.

Spoiler:

Really? The King was bat **** crazy. Sure but going to his doorstep and Threatening to kill his son probably is going to start a war with that type of person. If Lyanna gives Brandon and Rickard a head's up and says, "hey I am just doing my own thing and running off with the Prince." Then Brandon doesn't go to Kings landing and Rickard doesn't follow him. Rickard doesn't get burned alive Brandon doesn't strangle himself. Robert has no reason to rebel because his bride to be wasn't stolen. She just left him.

You look at all the stuff in the video and all it proves was Aerys was spiteful. Mainly towards Tywin. Who lets face it was kind of a dick.

Lyanna and Rhaegar were unbelievably selfish and got pretty much everyone they cared about killed. IMO they are the main villains of ASOIAF

I want to disagree but this is pretty much spot on.

Spoiler:

Its not horribly inaccurate outside of the fact that Robert still rebels. Robert was horribly infatuated with Lyanna and still would've declared war even if she had simply run off. So lets take a look at how things would then unfold

The first real change would've come from the North not joining in Roberts rebellion. (Lets for a second forget honor bound house Stark simply being cool with breaking off a betrothal like that).

Robert most likely then loses the war.

Rhaegar becomes King at some point after his father dies. (Whether Jamie still ends up killing him would be up for debate)

Jon Snow is raised as the heir to the Throne as Aegon

Ned and Catalin never marry as she was promised to his older brother (name is escaping me right now) who no longer is dead

As such Rob, Sansa, Arya, Rickon and most importantly Bran are never born. No more 3 eyed raven.

No Dragons are ever hatched. Dany becomes just another noble woman

Aegon (Jon Snow) never goes to the wall to make his mark removed from being a bastard. (No more Prince who was Promised)

Nobody leads the Wildlings past the Wall now. Army of the dead gets bigger

Nobody learns how to about useing Dragon glass against the Others

No one learns of the impending doom from the Others (White Walkers) before they burst through the wall.

Nights King wins without any resistance.



You can argue they've been responsible for plenty of death. However without all that death there would be no Three Eyed Raven, weapons that can actually be effective, Dragons or Armies at the ready to oppose the Nights King.

Without that act. More people are alive. There'd have been less war. But yet the entire world would still be dead and covered in snow

Theres the butterfly effect in action for ya

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[hege53190]

Man, Robb and whoever did theirs out in the open and it got everyone close to them killed. You just can't go back on alliances and have it not start ****. If it's not the North showing up at King's Landing, it's Dorne. And the Mad King has an equally Mad response. He goes full Saw at the drop of a hat. Your take is bad.

Spoiler:

Dorne is full of pussies. Rhaegar ran off and supposedly kidnapped another woman and they still fought on the side of the crown. Tywin raped and murdered one of their family members and they did absolutely nothing. Even when the North rebelled against basically the Lannisters and Baratheons, Dorne sided with the Lannisters and Baratheons.

And I totally agree with Robb. He pretty much got his family killed. At least in the Books they made it compelling. He invaded the Lannister lands and got seriously injured. While injured he was nursed back to health and seduced by a Lannister plant. Robb at 14 years old in the books not wanting to father a bastard because of seeing how it affected Jon Snow and also feeling duty bound for taking the girls maidenhood feels compelled to marry her.

On the TV show he chases a skirt.

[hege53190]

Spoiler:

Really? The King was bat **** crazy. Sure but going to his doorstep and Threatening to kill his son probably is going to start a war with that type of person. If Lyanna gives Brandon and Rickard a head's up and says, "hey I am just doing my own thing and running off with the Prince." Then Brandon doesn't go to Kings landing and Rickard doesn't follow him. Rickard doesn't get burned alive Brandon doesn't strangle himself. Robert has no reason to rebel because his bride to be wasn't stolen. She just left him.

You look at all the stuff in the video and all it proves was Aerys was spiteful. Mainly towards Tywin. Who lets face it was kind of a dick.

Lyanna and Rhaegar were unbelievably selfish and got pretty much everyone they cared about killed. IMO they are the main villains of ASOIAF

I want to disagree but this is pretty much spot on.

Spoiler:

Its not horribly inaccurate outside of the fact that Robert still rebels. Robert was horribly infatuated with Lyanna and still would've declared war even if she had simply run off. So lets take a look at how things would then unfold

The first real change would've come from the North not joining in Roberts rebellion. (Lets for a second forget honor bound house Stark simply being cool with breaking off a betrothal like that).

Robert most likely then loses the war.

Rhaegar becomes King at some point after his father dies. (Whether Jamie still ends up killing him would be up for debate)

Jon Snow is raised as the heir to the Throne as Aegon

Ned and Catalin never marry as she was promised to his older brother (name is escaping me right now) who no longer is dead

As such Rob, Sansa, Arya, Rickon and most importantly Bran are never born. No more 3 eyed raven.

No Dragons are ever hatched. Dany becomes just another noble woman

Aegon (Jon Snow) never goes to the wall to make his mark removed from being a bastard. (No more Prince who was Promised)

Nobody leads the Wildlings past the Wall now. Army of the dead gets bigger

Nobody learns how to about useing Dragon glass against the Others

No one learns of the impending doom from the Others (White Walkers) before they burst through the wall.

Nights King wins without any resistance.



You can argue they've been responsible for plenty of death. However without all that death there would be no Three Eyed Raven, weapons that can actually be effective, Dragons or Armies at the ready to oppose the Nights King.

Without that act. More people are alive. There'd have been less war. But yet the entire world would still be dead and covered in snow

Theres the butterfly effect in action for ya

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Spoiler:

You act like Brandon (Ned's Brother) and Catelyn couldn't have had any important children or Ned couldn't have fathered any important children.

Also If Bran isn't alive, he doesn't get the original three eyed raven or the children of the forest killed. If Dragons aren't alive the night king doesn't get gifted the Weapon to tear down the wall because of Tyrion's (Please Use More Appropriate Word) plan. They are stuck at Craster's keep doing the thriller.

[Beorn]

Dornes' interpretation is one of the series' greatest crimes. Doran is really cheated, so are the Snakes

[Bucksfan28]

Sorry to break-up the GOT circle jerk, but The Defiant Ones is something else. The only disappointing aspect is that it's four episodes and not more.

[Ron Swanson]

GoT:

Spoiler:

I still can't over the simple fact that if they don't stupidly gift the Night King with an undead dragon, they could just sit back behind the Wall and wait out the Targaryan/Lannister war. It's just such a dumb and avoidable way to circumnavigate one of the most important and powerful symbols/plot devices in the Wall. Both previous episodes where the wall was attacked provided this epic and grand scale of how imposing and insurmountable the act of breaching it was.

You'd figure that they'd devote the same attention and scale to when the Wall actually came down. But nope, dragon with laser-beam breath cleaves it in half like swiss cheese in the final 5 minutes of the finale, cuz "We gotta getz to the giant battlez between Mordor, errrr I mean, the Wights and humans". It just didn't feel like it was this "Oh ****!" moment at all. Which it absolutely should have been.

[DingleJerry]

GoT:

Spoiler:

I still can't over the simple fact that if they don't stupidly gift the Night King with an undead dragon, they could just sit back behind the Wall and wait out the Targaryan/Lannister war. It's just such a dumb and avoidable way to circumnavigate one of the most important and powerful symbols/plot devices in the Wall. Both previous episodes where the wall was attacked provided this epic and grand scale of how imposing and insurmountable the act of breaching it was.

You'd figure that they'd devote the same attention and scale to when the Wall actually came down. But nope, dragon with laser-beam breath cleaves it in half like swiss cheese in the final 5 minutes of the finale, cuz "We gotta getz to the giant battlez between Mordor, errrr I mean, the Wights and humans". It just didn't feel like it was this "Oh ****!" moment at all. Which it absolutely should have been.

Spoiler:

Well then I guess why was anyone worried about the White Walkers to begin with if there was no way they'd ever pass the wall? Like, obviously a shark is dangerous, but if it can't leave water then just don't go into water and it doesn't matter. Also, wasn't one beyond the wall in the beginning scene of the whole show?

Also, I'm not being snarky, I'm really asking.

[KidA24]

GoT:

Spoiler:

I still can't over the simple fact that if they don't stupidly gift the Night King with an undead dragon, they could just sit back behind the Wall and wait out the Targaryan/Lannister war. It's just such a dumb and avoidable way to circumnavigate one of the most important and powerful symbols/plot devices in the Wall. Both previous episodes where the wall was attacked provided this epic and grand scale of how imposing and insurmountable the act of breaching it was.

You'd figure that they'd devote the same attention and scale to when the Wall actually came down. But nope, dragon with laser-beam breath cleaves it in half like swiss cheese in the final 5 minutes of the finale, cuz "We gotta getz to the giant battlez between Mordor, errrr I mean, the Wights and humans". It just didn't feel like it was this "Oh ****!" moment at all. Which it absolutely should have been.

Spoiler:

Well then I guess why was anyone worried about the White Walkers to begin with if there was no way they'd ever pass the wall? Like, obviously a shark is dangerous, but if it can't leave water then just don't go into water and it doesn't matter. Also, wasn't one beyond the wall in the beginning scene of the whole show?

Also, I'm not being snarky, I'm really asking.

Spoiler:

No, that was the Night's Watch, beyond the wall. They they deserted and Ned killed 'em.

[tydett]

It seems this topic has devolved into two groups of people

Side A: This show used to be so much more enjoyable because it focused on political intrigue, character development, and unexpected turns. It has now stopped being that show, and is instead a rom-com about a star-crossed man and his roughly-same-aged aunt, co-starring the funny but incompetent dwarf, the Bloomin' Onion knight, a grizzled wild mountain man, and a psychic who can't help but remind his loved ones of their personal tragedies. I still watch it because I have invested 6 years into the show, but I no longer hold it up to the same standards it once had because it's not that show anymore.

Side B: You fookin' c-words are whinging about details - yer moufs are movin' and yer complainin', so yer whinging. This is a fookin' show about dragons and magic and zombies and top-knot c-words, so shut up and enjoy the spectacle even though that's not what made the first few seasons so great. Fookin' c-words.

[thomchatt3rton]

It seems this topic has devolved into two groups of people

Side A: This show used to be so much more enjoyable because it focused on political intrigue, character development, and unexpected turns. It has now stopped being that show, and is instead a rom-com about a star-crossed man and his roughly-same-aged aunt, co-starring the funny but incompetent dwarf, the Bloomin' Onion knight, a grizzled wild mountain man, and a psychic who can't help but remind his loved ones of their personal tragedies. I still watch it because I have invested 6 years into the show, but I no longer hold it up to the same standards it once had because it's not that show anymore.

Side B: You fookin' c-words are whinging about details - yer moufs are movin' and yer complainin', so yer whinging. This is a fookin' show about dragons and magic and zombies and top-knot c-words, so shut up and enjoy the spectacle even though that's not what made the first few seasons so great. Fookin' c-words.

Are side B all Cockneys...or?

[JimmyTheKid]

Sorry to break-up the GOT circle jerk, but The Defiant Ones is something else. The only disappointing aspect is that it's four episodes and not more.

So so good. And yes, too too short.

[Nightfall]

Something to lighten up the Got discussion :

Spoiler:

[M-C-G]

GoT:

Spoiler:

I still can't over the simple fact that if they don't stupidly gift the Night King with an undead dragon, they could just sit back behind the Wall and wait out the Targaryan/Lannister war. It's just such a dumb and avoidable way to circumnavigate one of the most important and powerful symbols/plot devices in the Wall. Both previous episodes where the wall was attacked provided this epic and grand scale of how imposing and insurmountable the act of breaching it was.

You'd figure that they'd devote the same attention and scale to when the Wall actually came down. But nope, dragon with laser-beam breath cleaves it in half like swiss cheese in the final 5 minutes of the finale, cuz "We gotta getz to the giant battlez between Mordor, errrr I mean, the Wights and humans". It just didn't feel like it was this "Oh ****!" moment at all. Which it absolutely should have been.

I mean, they have giants that have already broken through the front gate before and certainly could do it again because they can't really be killed, so...

[jakecronus8]

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[Iheartfootball]

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Hahaha, so good. Anyone see 'Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping'? I was laughing pretty hard. Worth a watch if you enjoy SNL, comedy, and/or Tim Meadows. I love that guy.