Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[Ruzious]

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This is a fun video to watch - with some young NBA players and Payton Pritchard going through drills and scrimmages. Wow, can Yuta Watanabe shoot - he's gonna be a very good role player. I see he's an RFA - Memphis is almost certainly going to keep him, but it doesn't hurt to see if we can steal him. Pritchard is so good at what he does - and is real good using picks, excellent passer, great shooter. But defensively - eh, he's at a real disadvantage. He did get a lot of steals in college, but I doubt that carries over to the NBA. NAW looked so talented. DeAndre Hunter also looked good.

[BroncoBuck]

Where do you get that his sole skill is spotting up? He's an excellent passer - averaged 4.1 assists per game in Big 12 games - and 6 rebounds a game. And his shooting isn't just spotting up. He's got a great step-back move, and because he's so strong, he can create space with his physicality. And while he's not super-quick defensively, he can defend in the same way Wes Matthews has.

He’s nowhere near athletic or skilled enough to do those things against NBA wings. He reminds me so much of a guy like Reggie Bullock. The Bucks need some versatility. We saw it in the playoffs when the ball just kept swinging around and nobody could create anything. I’d much rather take a shot on a guy like Ramsey or Bolmero if we want to go with a wing.

Jahmi'us over Bane would be bad for my health.

Bane's wingspan and lateral agility are concerning to an extent, but he is plenty athletic and skilled. Limiting him to just a spot-up shooter is harsh, as he might be the best shooter off-movement in this class, between him and Nesmith. He is a quick decision maker, plays great team D, and just makes winning plays. Jah'mius Ramsey makes losing plays, his BBIQ is hundreds of miles behind Bane's. Bane contributes day one, Jah'mius takes the Rashad Vaughn pathway, with hopes he can become McLemore someday. If you think he's going to create in the half-court, then . Bane keeps the ball moving, Ramsey is a ball-stopping chucker without a clue on defense.

I like Bolmaro as a stash though, but doubt we would go that route given the circumstances.

Ramsey can make plays that Bane can’t. He simply plays like an NBA player. You can coach up decision making, especially in our system. Comparing him to Vaughn is lazy. The only thing they have in common is that they are young. Vaughn was always soft.

For the record, Bane and TCU lost to Texas Tech by 46 points in their second matchup this past season. Bane is just as much of a hot/cold shooter as Ramsey is. But sure, winning plays.

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[RiotPunch]

He’s nowhere near athletic or skilled enough to do those things against NBA wings. He reminds me so much of a guy like Reggie Bullock. The Bucks need some versatility. We saw it in the playoffs when the ball just kept swinging around and nobody could create anything. I’d much rather take a shot on a guy like Ramsey or Bolmero if we want to go with a wing.

Jahmi'us over Bane would be bad for my health.

Bane's wingspan and lateral agility are concerning to an extent, but he is plenty athletic and skilled. Limiting him to just a spot-up shooter is harsh, as he might be the best shooter off-movement in this class, between him and Nesmith. He is a quick decision maker, plays great team D, and just makes winning plays. Jah'mius Ramsey makes losing plays, his BBIQ is hundreds of miles behind Bane's. Bane contributes day one, Jah'mius takes the Rashad Vaughn pathway, with hopes he can become McLemore someday. If you think he's going to create in the half-court, then . Bane keeps the ball moving, Ramsey is a ball-stopping chucker without a clue on defense.

I like Bolmaro as a stash though, but doubt we would go that route given the circumstances.

Ramsey can make plays that Bane can’t. He simply plays like an NBA player. You can coach up decision making, especially in our system. Comparing him to Vaughn is lazy. The only thing they have in common is that they are young. Vaughn was always soft.

For the record, Bane and TCU lost to Texas Tech by 46 points in their second matchup this past season. Bane is just as much of a hot/cold shooter as Ramsey is. But sure, winning plays.

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Jah has some aesthetically pleasing moments. His C&S jumper is picturesque and when he has an open lane he can really show off his verticality (especially when assisted). I think it is mostly fool's gold. 64% from the line, inconsistent off the dribble, poor shot selection, struggles to get by guys 1v1, struggles to finish consistently despite athleticism. It largely comes down to off-ball defense though for me, where Ramsey legit might be worst in class. I do buy his C&S ability though, and his POA defense is pretty good, way different effort level when that orange ball is in front of him.

Vaughn and Ramsey actually have a decent amount in common, mostly their poor off-ball defensive instincts and limitations offensively (strong C&S 3pt shooters, poor shot selection, poor FT shooters, high TOV%). He gets good STLK numbers, but if you actually watch multiple full games of his, you start to realize those numbers are masking a lot of bad habits, IMO.

You are right though Ramsey is way tougher and stronger than Vaughn ever was, was mostly just saying I could see a Vaughn career path for Ramsey (ie 24 years old in the Adriatic League).

Regarding TCU/TxTech, context is important. It was TCU's 3rd game in five days, and they had just beaten Tech convincingly 20 days prior, ironically it was the last game they had a W before a six game skid. It showed Bane's warts as a high usage, primary initiator, a role he won't likely ever find himself having in the NBA. He contributed 5 of TCU's 20 TOV's that game, but the real story was Davide Moretti setting the tone early with multiple triples, he and Kyler Edwards went 8-12 from 3 in that game, burying TCU early. Ramsey played fine in a comfortable game script, not sure what to take away from that. Bane went for 27/6/3 on 6-8 from deep in their first meeting, Ramsey had 4 TOV's and went 1-6 from deep in that one with a lesser team role. I agree they both run hot/cold as shooters, but I just think Bane is more trustworthy to still be a net positive out there as a passer/rebounder/team defender.

We can agree to disagree all day long, and Bane isn't a perfect player by any stretch. They both can have their cold spells as shooters, and they are both clunky east-west movers. I just think Bane is more complete and ready to contribute Day 1, IMO. More natural passer, better decision maker, reads and reacts at a high level. Ramsey has a long way to go before he is playable, and you might not get anything from him until his 2nd contract. His basketball brain needs to catch up to his basketball body, and I think that's harder to coach up than you are letting on. It takes time.

[LuessiT]

Right now I really hope either RJ Hampton or Tyrell Terry drop to us.

[thrice123]

I feel like Jalen Smith is gonna fall. I haven't paid attention to many bigs because i am hoping and praying it's a point.

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[machu46]

I feel like Jalen Smith is gonna fall. I haven't paid attention to many bigs because i am hoping and praying it's a point.

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I'd be happy if he did slide to us. We'll see; he's rumored to be one of the guys rising up draft boards the most.

[Ruzious]

Right now I really hope either RJ Hampton or Tyrell Terry drop to us.

Hampton won't. Terry probably won't - but at least there's a chance.

[drone3]

Right now I really hope either RJ Hampton or Tyrell Terry drop to us.

Hampton won't. Terry probably won't - but at least there's a chance.

I'm on the Tyrell Terry train, really want him.

[Ruzious]

Right now I really hope either RJ Hampton or Tyrell Terry drop to us.

Hampton won't. Terry probably won't - but at least there's a chance.

I'm on the Tyrell Terry train, really want him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Terry than Hampton. Hampton's a great athlete more than a great basketball player, imo. Terry's much more NBA ready.

[thrice123]

Hampton won't. Terry probably won't - but at least there's a chance.

I'm on the Tyrell Terry train, really want him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Terry than Hampton. Hampton's a great athlete more than a great basketball player, imo. Terry's much more NBA ready.

Hampton looks like someone familiar and i can't put my finger on it. I hope we don't have a chance at him.

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[LuessiT]

Hampton won't. Terry probably won't - but at least there's a chance.

I'm on the Tyrell Terry train, really want him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Terry than Hampton. Hampton's a great athlete more than a great basketball player, imo. Terry's much more NBA ready.

I generally agree but Hampton has made huge leaps towards being an actual basketball player in his stint in Australia. When he came over he was pretty unwatchable but I like his learning curve and he's shown flashes on film (especially offensive reads) that suggest that there is more there than just an athlete.

[Badgerlander]

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[tski1972]

Glad to see Gery is still trying.

[BucksFanSD]

I think the 76ers are Tyrell Terry's floor personally but I see some scouts are saying he has a very wide range of where he could be drafted.

I wanted Terry since April when hardly anyone else here was giving him love. Seems to be a lot of fans now.

[machu46]

The Athletic Subscribers: Sam Vecenie has published his 90 page draft guide with breakdowns of his top 100 players.
https://theathletic.com/2198272/2020/11/16/top-100-nba-draft-prospects-for-2020-final-rankings-big-board-and-player-tiers/?source=emp_shared_article

[ReasonablySober]

Glad to see Gery is still trying.

I haven't thought about him in literally years. Definitely glad to see him out there grinding. Good for him.

[ReasonablySober]

The Athletic Subscribers: Sam Vecenie has published his 90 page draft guide with breakdowns of his top 100 players.
https://theathletic.com/2198272/2020/11/16/top-100-nba-draft-prospects-for-2020-final-rankings-big-board-and-player-tiers/?source=emp_shared_article

Without going too deep, he's higher on Tre Jones and Woodard than everyone else.

[emunney]

Really hoping Portland takes Scrubb at 16 like Hollinger has heard.

[Garbs_7]

Bit late to the draft research and watching game tapes, but is it just me or does Cole Anthony give off a lot of Jennings vibes? Not even in a negative way, I just saw a lot of him on offense in the games I watched and seems like he could be a similar type of scorer.

[machu46]

The Athletic Subscribers: Sam Vecenie has published his 90 page draft guide with breakdowns of his top 100 players.
https://theathletic.com/2198272/2020/11/16/top-100-nba-draft-prospects-for-2020-final-rankings-big-board-and-player-tiers/?source=emp_shared_article

Without going too deep, he's higher on Tre Jones and Woodard than everyone else.

I'm too lazy to post the full 100, but the guys he seems higher and lower on than most (number is where they're ranked):

Higher:
Tre Jones - 18
Robert Woodard - 21
Isaiah Stewart - 24 (and ahead of Precious Achiuwa)
Xavier Tillman - 27
Elijah Hughes - 31
Sam Merrill - 36

Lower:
Jahmi'us Ramsey - 53
Nico Mannion - 47
Udoka Azubuicke - 44
Theo Maledon - 35
Jalen Smith - 32