Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[slos]

Butler makes so much sense for both Jimmy and the Bucks. Phoenix just can’t move Beal AND get Butler. Jimmy is still ringless at 35, he won’t have a better opportunity than Dame/Giannis to get one. Bucks couldn’t have ever imagined a better return for a Midds/Bobby/Pat package. At this point they can even save that 2031 FRP or just put some heavy protections.

Make it happen Horst.

[msiris]

I’d probably rather just blow it all up than trade for Butler. This team is more than replacing Middleton with Butler away from even sniffing a title.

But what does blow it up look like?

The only reason I'd trade for Butler is because I'd hope he'd decline his PO and go find a longer team deal elsewhere, and having sent Midds/Bobby for him, we'd be saving $50m in cap space for next year. I also think that kind of shake up could help us this year. And who knows, it works so we could sign him for a long term deal (I don't think it will).

Otherwise we move Dame, but his value is has dropped so we'd be losing cents on the dollar. And what would we get? A couple firsts? Who even wants him?

Letting Jimmy walk saves the owners a huge tax bill, but creates 0 cap space. We're $52 million over the cap.

Smart owners would not want pay tax on a non contending team.

[raferfenix]

Horst will never trade for Butler without insurance that he resigns. From my understanding Jimmy has a deal in place with Phoenix to opt out and sign a new 2y/121mil contract. If that's all he wants I wouldn't mind giving it to him. That will end with Dame and gives Giannis 3 more opportunities for another championship.

Trading for Jimmy makes it easier to blow up this offseason if it doesn't work out, not harder.

Jimmy expecting to be the #1 or at worst #2 option on offense makes either of these options that much more risky.

That's especially the case if he ends up taking the Harden path of opting in (despite insisting he won't) and demanding a trade to a particular team with the threat of all out chaos if we don't.

Now if Butler were to come in motivated to play defense and fill gaps since he won't have to do everything on offense that'd be a different story.

But if he's going all out for a $60M per year contract from us or anyone then the Bucks could be throwing a Molotov cocktail at our chemistry if he feels he needs to put up ppgz.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not talking about risk. I'm talking about having a clean cap sheet after this season for when a new GM can come in and try to clean up Horst's mess around Dame/Giannis. At this point I think it's a very real possibility, even likelihood that Khris picks up his $34 million player option. Pat definitely is, so moving off both those contracts has merit and especially so if it's for an upgrade like Jimmy. Sure, Jimmy could opt in and ruin all that regardless, but then he just becomes a massive expiring and is still movable anyways. I still am not really 100% gung-ho about it, but what are the alternatives at this point?

The whole moving everyone around Giannis for assets and young players while still being a contender is even more of a pipe dream fantasy than before at this point. Giannis ain't sticking around for a 3-4 year rebuild into his mid-30's, so you just gotta go for it one more time, then cash him out for a haul when he inevitably tells the front office he's seen enough.

[ShootingtheJ]

Let's not clean up a mess around Dame. Dame is a huge part of the mess.

[yb90]

Horst will never trade for Butler without insurance that he resigns. From my understanding Jimmy has a deal in place with Phoenix to opt out and sign a new 2y/121mil contract. If that's all he wants I wouldn't mind giving it to him. That will end with Dame and gives Giannis 3 more opportunities for another championship.

Trading for Jimmy makes it easier to blow up this offseason if it doesn't work out, not harder.

Jimmy expecting to be the #1 or at worst #2 option on offense makes either of these options that much more risky.

That's especially the case if he ends up taking the Harden path of opting in (despite insisting he won't) and demanding a trade to a particular team with the threat of all out chaos if we don't.

Now if Butler were to come in motivated to play defense and fill gaps since he won't have to do everything on offense that'd be a different story.

But if he's going all out for a $60M per year contract from us or anyone then the Bucks could be throwing a Molotov cocktail at our chemistry if he feels he needs to put up ppgz.

If Butler was to come to the Bucks he would've had the talk already about where he fits in. Also, he is averaging the same number of Shots right now as Khris this season. He probably gets more shots with the Bucks because he would take on some of Khris and Portis scoring load. Another thing is Butler knows how to play as a small ball 4. Khris because of injuries has not trained his body for that roll defensively.

I still think it's a big gamble but if the Bucks could do a 4 team trade and come away with Richards and Butler then I'd be more interested

[slos]

Let’s talk about risk. What’s more risky for Milwaukee? Sticking with Midds and Bobby or rolling the dice with Jimmy? Let’s keep this going and look into next season. Who is easier to lose for nothing. Jimmy or Bobby? Only the uninterested Nets can offer a boatload of money to Butler, which they are crystal clear that they won’t. I can count at least 10 teams that might offer Bobby at least the full MLE, which is 4/78.

I would feel way more comfortable keeping Jimmy, who already has a super high chance to opt in with Miami next season. Let’s get real. If Bucks trade for Butler he immediately signs a 2 year max extension. I’m fine with it ending the same year with Lillard. He is not a Kawhi rental. You trade now for Jimmy and you get three seasons of Dame/Jimmy/Giannis to get a ring.

It might not work. Nothing is taken for granted in the NBA. But what an era to be a Milwaukee fan and see next to Gianis players like Jrue, Midds, Dame, Jimmy. Worst case scenario. “Giannis we tried, retire as a Buck” and he will. Butler at least is right for the teams he played that he was never given the opportunity to play for a true contender. I mean Riley just gave him Rozier. That’s shameful.

[CharityStripe34]

All this conjecture depends on if Jimmy can be sold on potentially playing with the Bucks for 1-2 seasons. In a vacuum the interesting aspect he brings is the defensive hustle, low usage, dirty work type of stuff he's been known for.

[ShootingtheJ]

Let’s talk about risk. What’s more risky for Milwaukee? Sticking with Midds and Bobby or rolling the dice with Jimmy?

Maybe true, but I think there's a 3rd option. I'd like to explore a multi team deal with Bobby and our 1st. I think that gets a significant player, and someone who isn't an oft injured geezer.

[slos]

All this conjecture depends on if Jimmy can be sold on potentially playing with the Bucks for 1-2 seasons. In a vacuum the interesting aspect he brings is the defensive hustle, low usage, dirty work type of stuff he's been known for.

I can’t see any other options for Jimmy to be that guy you are describing if Bucks trade for him. What would be his alternative?

[JayMKE]

I'm confident if traded here Jimmy would put his head down and ball out if only the secure his bag later on and prove doubters wrong. I don't think the team has any comparable options, if the Bucks are already maxxed out and 2nd apron'd then Jimmy is by far the best option. Otherwise we're pinning our hopes on 1 for 1 trades, our lone 1st round pick 6 years from now, giving up last remaining assets to dump salary, or paying a huge premium for a minimum salary guy. We're boned regardless, taking a swing with Jimmy is maximizing our chances.

[Ryan5UW]

I doubt they trade for Jimmy without being able to talk to him about an extension first, so they should know whether or not he will.

I look at this season and the next 2. What gives you a better chance to win? I think Butler does instead of Midds/Bobby. I don't believe the current roster can win it, so I shake it up with that short term focus. I think the ship has sailed on trying to move some of our bigger contracts for younger guys that can extend the window. The time to do that was a year or two ago.

[jakecronus8]

Again, I’m open to the Jimmy move because there’s not anything to lose, but only if you pull it off without picks or AJ/AJJ/AJJ

[pifhluk23]

Trading for Butler was clear as day 6 years ago and it's clear as day today, I hope they get it done this time.

[Daver]

0-8 against the East's top teams. We either need to take one last big swing (Likely Butler) or figure out what the next version of this team is.

There is no "get into the playoffs and anything can happen" with this team.

N other than the 2 knick blowouts the other 6 went down to the wire cavs 2 pts 1 pt Cs 4 6 5 points.

[Daver]

But what does blow it up look like?

The only reason I'd trade for Butler is because I'd hope he'd decline his PO and go find a longer team deal elsewhere, and having sent Midds/Bobby for him, we'd be saving $50m in cap space for next year. I also think that kind of shake up could help us this year. And who knows, it works so we could sign him for a long term deal (I don't think it will).

Otherwise we move Dame, but his value is has dropped so we'd be losing cents on the dollar. And what would we get? A couple firsts? Who even wants him?

Letting Jimmy walk saves the owners a huge tax bill, but creates 0 cap space. We're $52 million over the cap.

Smart owners would not want pay tax on a non contending team.

Right isnt jimmy makinh 49 million so that leaves them 1 million over cap

[BroncoBuck]

I’ll personally drive AJax to Miami if he’s part of the Butler deal. He’s far from untouchable.

[BroncoBuck]

Trading for Jimmy makes it easier to blow up this offseason if it doesn't work out, not harder.

Yeah, I think the best move we could make at this point is pull off the Butler trade and let him walk in free agency.

[fansinceforever]

0-8 against the East's top teams. We either need to take one last big swing (Likely Butler) or figure out what the next version of this team is.

There is no "get into the playoffs and anything can happen" with this team.

N other than the 2 knick blowouts the other 6 went down to the wire cavs 2 pts 1 pt Cs 4 6 5 points.

This would be redeeming stat for a young, up and comer but not for the oldest team in the league.

[ShootingtheJ]

Trading for Jimmy makes it easier to blow up this offseason if it doesn't work out, not harder.

Yeah, I think the best move we could make at this point is pull off the Butler trade and let him walk in free agency.

Getting nothing for Jimmy is better than trading the guys we have for other assets? Just to save tax money?