Bucks News, Transactions and Trade Ideas - Beasley on a 1 Year Deal

[tedbrogen]

I’m not even a huge Sexton fan, but I’d say the odds of him being a better player than whoever might be around in the 2029 lottery are pretty good odds.

And this one gets to play next to prime Giannis when we actually have a shot at a title, the other doesn't.

The 2029 pick doesn’t only have to be moved for Sexton this week or be made by the Bucks six years from now. It could be held into for a better player. They could save it for next offseason to use with the 2024 pick and 2031 pick on draft night (and 2028 and 2030 swaps) to package for a better player.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The protection locks out picks on both sides of it from being moved…

Simple answer is to covert it to multiple 2nds but the optics don't look as good. Like is there much difference between 2 picks in the 30s and 1 in the 20s? Maybe IDK. Both are crappy picks.

Issue is still it locks out trading the 2030 pick until it is determined the 2029 pick will not convey which isn’t until the conclusion of the 2028-2029 season, so it means you can’t use either pick in another trade until that point.

Not that it matters but why would it lock out 2030 1st if it had no chance of ever becoming a 2030 1st. It would convert to a 2029 2nd and 2030 2nd. I think the value is fair but from a PR standpoint a first sounds a lot better even if it is a crappy first.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I’m not even a huge Sexton fan, but I’d say the odds of him being a better player than whoever might be around in the 2029 lottery are pretty good odds.

And this one gets to play next to prime Giannis when we actually have a shot at a title, the other doesn't.

The 2029 pick doesn’t only have to be moved for Sexton this week or be made by the Bucks six years from now. It could be held into for a better player. They could save it for next offseason to use with the 2024 pick and 2031 pick on draft night (and 2028 and 2030 swaps) to package for a better player.

I agree with this. Would much rather run it back this year and try getting the next Dame to ask out and add it to the package above. As much as the PO ended up helping us this year, really hurts next year with not having a defined value on Jrue (whether it a 2 year player return or him as an expiring contract).

[tedbrogen]

Simple answer is to covert it to multiple 2nds but the optics don't look as good. Like is there much difference between 2 picks in the 30s and 1 in the 20s? Maybe IDK. Both are crappy picks.

Issue is still it locks out trading the 2030 pick until it is determined the 2029 pick will not convey which isn’t until the conclusion of the 2028-2029 season, so it means you can’t use either pick in another trade until that point.

Not that it matters but why would it lock out 2030 1st if it had no chance of ever becoming a 2030 1st. It would convert to a 2029 2nd and 2030 2nd. I think the value is fair but from a PR standpoint a first sounds a lot better even if it is a crappy first.

Because you can’t trade back to back firsts. So if the 2029 pick has any possibility of conveying, which it would until at least the end of the 28-29 season, then the Bucks can’t trade the 2030 pick until either the 2029 pick doesn’t convey (so they had a 2029 pick) or until after the 2030 pick is made (so they made a pick in 2030).

Basically you can’t not have a first round selection two years in a row.

[crowhead76]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm fine and would even advocate for shuffling the 5-8 spots in the rotation but just blowing more future 1st's on the first young-ish shot-creating guard who is available and might blossom into a much better player here just isn't smart asset management IMO. Again, I'll reiterate my mantra that being young itself isn't a positive or negative basketball trait. We already "got younger" this offseason regardless of what other moves we do (8 of 15 roster spots aged-30 and under).

[RiotPunch]

Sexton is not a better 3P shooter. Higher percentage on far fewer attempts, sure, but Rozier is superior from deep

Haha what? You can't say a dude's a better 3P shooter because he takes more attempts. Rozier also averaged 12 more MPG last season with Sexton still coming off an ACL. Would you say Giannis is a better 3P shooter too?

Can you also show me where Rozier is superior in the C&S? Because NBA.com would disagree with you

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch-shoot?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612762&sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A&dir=1

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch-shoot?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612766&sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A&dir=1

Was talking career numbers, Rozier was forced into a playmaking role a lot of last year. 2019-2021 he was among the best C&S guys. I like Sexton, not trying to start anything, friend.

Just for the sake of whatever, I don't care anymore, love you Dan

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Issue is still it locks out trading the 2030 pick until it is determined the 2029 pick will not convey which isn’t until the conclusion of the 2028-2029 season, so it means you can’t use either pick in another trade until that point.

Not that it matters but why would it lock out 2030 1st if it had no chance of ever becoming a 2030 1st. It would convert to a 2029 2nd and 2030 2nd. I think the value is fair but from a PR standpoint a first sounds a lot better even if it is a crappy first.

Because you can’t trade back to back firsts. So if the 2029 pick has any possibility of conveying, which it would until at least the end of the 28-29 season, then the Bucks can’t trade the 2030 pick until either the 2029 pick doesn’t convey (so they had a 2029 pick) or until after the 2030 pick is made (so they made a pick in 2030).

Basically you can’t not have a first round selection two years in a row.

Gotcha. I misread it thinking it would block another 2-year timeframe in my head. I was working under the assumption we would trade 2029/2031 no matter what where the thought of delaying the gratification a year from 2029 to 2030 never crossed my mind. We would trade 2029 and 2031 with some protections now and if happen to keep the pick at that point, great (not really because that means we suck again).

[tedbrogen]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.

It’s not apples to apples though.

The rumor is it requires the 2029 first to get the younger guy (plus Allen and Pat) versus probably only requiring Allen and Bobby and no pick to get the older guy.

Adding to the equation is how someone values Pat v Bobby. Personally I like Pat more because he never gets played off the floor in the postseason. Even if we think Marjon is somehow going to be playoff rotation ready or one of the rookies will or Beas will, there are still minutes for Playoff Pat as he can play some small ball four with Giannis at center.

You can trade for the older guy and still have draft capital to make another move this season or next offseason if it doesn’t work. Trade that 2029 first and you better be sure that younger guy is more than an empty calorie scorer.

[slos]

Any news on Crowder contract? Was it the minimum or something more?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'm fine and would even advocate for shuffling the 5-8 spots in the rotation but just blowing more future 1st's on the first young-ish shot-creating guard who is available and might blossom into a much better player here just isn't smart asset management IMO. Again, I'll reiterate my mantra that being young itself isn't a positive or negative basketball trait. We already "got younger" this offseason regardless of what other moves we do (8 of 15 roster spots aged-30 and under).

I would like to see the weighted average by projected minutes by age/roster spot. Basically everyone is a year older than their roster spot in last years playoff rotation. The only way we got younger is we replace Joe's 89 minutes with Marjon (debatable), or Jevon's 45 minutes with someone younger than 27.

Like I agree overall that why care about age when our window is 2 years, but saying we got 'younger' has no practical reasoning.

[tedbrogen]

Haha what? You can't say a dude's a better 3P shooter because he takes more attempts. Rozier also averaged 12 more MPG last season with Sexton still coming off an ACL. Would you say Giannis is a better 3P shooter too?

Can you also show me where Rozier is superior in the C&S? Because NBA.com would disagree with you

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch-shoot?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612762&sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A&dir=1

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch-shoot?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612766&sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A&dir=1

Was talking career numbers, Rozier was forced into a playmaking role a lot of last year. 2019-2021 he was among the best C&S guys. I like Sexton, not trying to start anything, friend.

Just for the sake of whatever, I don't care anymore, love you Dan

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Yeah this is the main reason I think Rozier would be a good fit. He’d be a knockdown shooter off Giannis’ gravity but with a more willingness to shoot those shots than Grayson has. Plus Rozier can also attack the rim and create a little bit for himself and has good length that makes him effective when you get him to focus on D.

[PG Graveyard]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Rozier has gang ties?

[DingleJerry]

I’m not even a huge Sexton fan, but I’d say the odds of him being a better player than whoever might be around in the 2029 lottery are pretty good odds.

And this one gets to play next to prime Giannis when we actually have a shot at a title, the other doesn't.

The 2029 pick doesn’t only have to be moved for Sexton this week or be made by the Bucks six years from now. It could be held into for a better player. They could save it for next offseason to use with the 2024 pick and 2031 pick on draft night (and 2028 and 2030 swaps) to package for a better player.

There ya go, that's what we're saying is the real question. Not that its gonna be a top 7 pick cuz Bucks always bad

[RiotPunch]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

[tedbrogen]

Not that it matters but why would it lock out 2030 1st if it had no chance of ever becoming a 2030 1st. It would convert to a 2029 2nd and 2030 2nd. I think the value is fair but from a PR standpoint a first sounds a lot better even if it is a crappy first.

Because you can’t trade back to back firsts. So if the 2029 pick has any possibility of conveying, which it would until at least the end of the 28-29 season, then the Bucks can’t trade the 2030 pick until either the 2029 pick doesn’t convey (so they had a 2029 pick) or until after the 2030 pick is made (so they made a pick in 2030).

Basically you can’t not have a first round selection two years in a row.

Gotcha. I misread it thinking it would block another 2-year timeframe in my head. I was working under the assumption we would trade 2029/2031 no matter what where the thought of delaying the gratification a year from 2029 to 2030 never crossed my mind. We would trade 2029 and 2031 with some protections now and if happen to keep the pick at that point, great (not really because that means we suck again).

Adding to this that they can’t trade 2031 until after the 2024 draft (assuming they are not over the second apron this season).

So the package of firsts people are talking about is making a trade right around the 2024 draft day and trading the 2024 pick (Bucks make the pick on behalf of another team), the 2029 pick, and the 2031 pick (able to make it as soon as the 24 draft is over) plus pick swaps in 28 and 30. So three firsts and two swaps can be moved in late June 2024.

Until June of 24 the only firsts the Bucks could move are 29 first and 28 swap.

[DingleJerry]

That matched salary would probably be Bobby though. Which, is more to give up than a 6 year out first in value (ignoring the hoarding and restrictions issues on the 1st)

[engelmartin]

I’m not going to substantiate this with any statistics, but I prefer Rozier

[RiotPunch]

Giving up a first would be awful. Do not trade it if you’re not getting a star. We need to hold on to them until we’re able to trade multiple firsts in a larger package.

I would do it for Quickley...

Easily.

Also, I’m kinda curious what people have in mind when we pool the picks next year.

In that scenario are we hanging onto Jrue or trading him also?

Basically, we could have those 3 firsts, two swaps, and likely get two more firsts for trading Jrue, but I don’t really think we’ll need all 5 firsts and two swaps for the type of player who’d be available/we’d be targeting.

Impossible to know who might be available in today's NBA. Recent history shows it is good to have the ammunition, though. Trading Jrue would be tough with a player option looming. It will be really interesting to see if we try to extend him as I think he is eligible soon.

[crowhead76]

Sexton has converted a silly 52.8% of his pull-up threes. Having a reliable off-the-dribble outside jumper is a lethal combination with Sexton's wrecking-ball skills as a driver. - Jan. 2023