Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

Down To Buck · Post #21 » by **Down To Buck** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:10 pm

This thread is gonna get really big, really quick.

I just hope to god that we get a good pick out of this. Come on Hammond, don't mess it up.

stevescheffler06 · Post #22 » by **stevescheffler06** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:10 pm

Sauce Boss wrote:
Newz wrote:
trwi7 wrote:He said there were lotto teams willing to give up their picks and playoff teams willing to give expirings and players. The choice is obvious to us, not so obvious to the Bucks.

If we got a high lotto this year for him sign me up. If we get crap vets I'm done.

I wonder how many of us would legitimately quick following the Bucks if they trade both Bogut and our 1st in a desperate attempt at the 8th seed. I didn't give up on the NBA after losing the Sonics and living through 13 years of being a Bucks fan but damn.

Newz · Post #23 » by **Newz** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:10 pm

RiotPunch wrote:

This is what I'll be like if we end up trading him for veteran players and expiring deals:

Fresh Prince FTW.

Fort Minor · Post #24 » by **Fort Minor** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:10 pm

I...may stop watching the team entirely if he's traded in a win-now move. The logic behind that would border on insanity. There is no other way it could be justified with a straight face.

Sign me up though if we can get a top 7ish pick for him. I'd be upset if it was a pick outside of the top 10, though.

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #25 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:11 pm

Sparky put it best. If we don't get a 1 coming back to us, we've failed this trade

Fort Minor · Post #26 » by **Fort Minor** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:13 pm

Newz wrote:This is what I'll be like if we end up trading him for veteran players and expiring deals:

Fresh Prince FTW.

This.

Lol

Sauce Boss · Post #27 » by **Sauce Boss** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:13 pm

stevescheffler06 wrote:
Sauce Boss wrote:If we got a high lotto this year for him sign me up. If we get crap vets I'm done.

I wonder how many of us would legitimately quick following the Bucks if they trade both Bogut and our 1st in a desperate attempt at the 8th seed. I didn't give up on the NBA after losing the Sonics and living through 13 years of being a Bucks fan but damn.

More so I'm done this year. If we gave up our pick and Bogut without receiving any youth or picks at the deadline it absolutely crush me. I just want something positive to look forward to.

Post #28 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:14 pm

stevescheffler06 wrote: Typical Bucks sell while the value is lowest.

I agree that we are selling at the low point. He had many more high points in the past two years when we could have done this.

However, I don't think holding on to him until his stock recovers is an option. Whether it is in March or June, he's not going to be able to prove he can come back as a 15/12 type player who can stay healthy. We'd only see his stock recover come next December if he comes out of the gate healthy and blazing away. And what are the odds you'd put on that?

Wise1 · Post #29 » by **Wise1** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:14 pm

I approve this message. Lottery pick please.

Kerb Hohl · Post #30 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:14 pm

I want one of those sets of lotto picks, but if for some reason it is expiring trash, as long as it isn't too helpful, I'm all for it. Would be a total blow up going forward.

That is until we sign some garbage wing for 4 years, 45 million with next year's cap space.

Newz · Post #31 » by **Newz** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:16 pm

Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

JayMKE · Post #32 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:16 pm

I wouldn't be too sad to see Bogut go, I've been a fan of him since he was at Utah and him playing on the Bucks was only a fantasy but we've gone as far as we can go together and it's time to move on. He's almost 28, Bogut is too good of a player to waste his entire career on a terrible team. It for the best for both sides he to move on.

The only thing that scares me in the return. If we go "win now", I'm done.

ajb905 · Post #33 » by **ajb905** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:17 pm

Was there a rumor that Bogut for Twolves pick last year was on the table? I wonder if lottery teams are willing to trade for Bogut...is it better to see how the ping pong balls bounce or trade him at the deadline (assuming taking an expiring contract as well)?

Serge28 · Post #34 » by **Serge28** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:18 pm

I don't trust Woeful one bit - even at 70/30. Bogut is the last Buck I expect to get traded at this point. So, I'm calling BS on this. I'll believe it when I see it.

Kerb Hohl · Post #35 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:19 pm

Serge28 wrote:I don't trust Woeful one bit - even at 70/30. Bogut is the last Buck I expect to get traded at this point. So, I'm calling BS on this. I'll believe it when I see it.

I actually agree with this. Unfortunately, you just woke me up from my dream.

Dick.

Sauce Boss · Post #36 » by **Sauce Boss** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:19 pm

Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

You mean like Al Jefferson plus the picks because Hammond likes to compete for the 8th while rebuilding....

SkilesTheLimit · Post #37 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:19 pm

Good riddence.

He's not taking this team anywhere, and in a sense, has been holding the organization hostage over the last several years as a walking injury-in-waiting.

They better get a mid to high 1st for him.

Newz · Post #38 » by **Newz** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:21 pm

Sauce Boss wrote:
Newz wrote:Bogut for Devin Harris + CJ Miles + Utah's 1st + Warrior's 1st via Utah

You mean like Al Jefferson plus the picks because Hammond likes to compete for the 8th while rebuilding....

I would definitely settle for Jefferson plus the picks.

stevescheffler06 · Post #39 » by **stevescheffler06** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:21 pm

Does anyone really think there is less than a 70/30 chance that he's dealt in a win now move?

Post #40 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:21 pm

The question I'd speculate on relates to Ersan. I'm just wondering if this team figures they can get 10 rebounds a game, garbage man offense and some decent interior defense from Ersan and thus replace some of what Bogut provided.

Thus this type of trade frees up cash to pay Ersan and brings in an asset at another area of need.