Hammond on WSSP

El Duderino · Post #21 » by **El Duderino** » Thu May 2, 2013 7:55 pm

averageposter wrote:Fact of the matter is, whatever the mandate is from the top, this guy could be doing a better job of it. Probably should be doing a better job since they are in the east, half dozen teams are tanking, and our going for it moves like Redick trade didn't produce any tangible results in the only column that matters.

That's where i'm at. Clearly Kohl has a win now mandate, but Hammond isn't good at it.

Matches Malone · Post #22 » by **Matches Malone** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:05 pm

C'mon Mark Attanasio! PLEASE SAVE OUR BASKETBALL TEAM! WE NEED YOU!

LUKE23 · Post #23 » by **LUKE23** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:07 pm

To me, it's pretty simple: your owner has a win now mandate. Fine. Then stop **** sucking at winning now.

Please do not try and rationalize that you are the only GM in the league that has to try and win now. You' aren't.

Post #24 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:27 pm

LUKE23 wrote:To me, it's pretty simple: your owner has a win now mandate. Fine. Then stop **** sucking at winning now.

Please do not try and rationalize that you are the only GM in the league that has to try and win now. You' aren't.

Exactly.

These radio hosts are all kissing up to him with the wink/nod that he can't rebuild properly. Just ask him how he came to the decisions to pair up Monta and Jennings when that tiny backcourt didn't work in GS. Or why they thought Tobias was a lesser asset than what he appears to be. Or about 50 other questions as to why the acquired or traded player x.

emunney · Post #25 » by **emunney** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:30 pm

Didn't read the thread yet. I assume everything is ok now?

tski1972 · Post #26 » by **tski1972** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:31 pm

the funny thing is, if Hammond was allowed to rebuild a few years ago, we'd be on the verge of being a very good team, thus Herb could be going out on a winning note.

Hooray for short sightedness!

emunney · Post #27 » by **emunney** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:33 pm

I would love for somebody to ask him if he saw this ability in Tobias. If so, why did you trade him for an expiring non-star? If not, what are we supposed to think about that considering this guy was in your house for a year and a half?

Asher · Post #28 » by **Asher** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:45 pm

jr lucosa wrote:I do think it's easy for fans to say you should step down from your multi-million dollar job because it's the 'right thing to do'. I'd be Kohls puppet for Hammond's salary too, someones gotta do the job and realistically, Kohl isn't changing his mind.

it's not hard to get. i don't agree with my boss sometimes, and i'm vocal in disagreeing with him. he listens, and then if he decides he wants it his way, i say yes sir and do it. at the end of the day, he owns the place and signs my paychecks, and i've got it pretty good here.

Post #29 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu May 2, 2013 8:47 pm

emunney wrote:I would love for somebody to ask him if he saw this ability in Tobias. If so, why did you trade him for an expiring non-star? If not, what are we supposed to think about that considering this guy was in your house for a year and a half?

That's the 9-11 commission investigation that needs to be done. 17/8 20-years olds can't hide out on an NBA team for a year and a half. Either they misjudged horribly or there is something they won't disclose about Tobias they didn't like (personal wise)

fansinceforever · Post #30 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu May 2, 2013 9:00 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:I would love for somebody to ask him if he saw this ability in Tobias. If so, why did you trade him for an expiring non-star? If not, what are we supposed to think about that considering this guy was in your house for a year and a half?

That's the 9-11 commission investigation that needs to be done. 17/8 20-years olds can't hide out on an NBA team for a year and a half. Either they misjudged horribly or there is something they won't disclose about Tobias they didn't like (personal wise)

Love the reference.

Somebody needs to ask him why Tobias's talent wasn't evident to people who have been in and around the game of basketball their entire careers?

The fact that this question will likely never be answered is exactly why we absolutely suck at our "win now" model.

InsideOut · Post #31 » by **InsideOut** » Thu May 2, 2013 9:00 pm

Why can't Hammond come out and say the owner is not interested in a rebuild and that is why we are doing things this way. Why can't Hammond come out and say we traded Harris for JJ because Kohl said get JJ any cost (if that was the case)? Seriously, if Kohl forces Hammond to do something why can't that be public knowledge? Do people think Hammond has a gag order and can't say that this move was made under orders of Kohl?

And even if Hammond did come out and say Kohl wanted this move to be made then what can Kohl do about it? If Hammond gets fired I assume he still gets paid his contract. I know if my boss made me do things that resulted in me looking bad and then the boss made me take the fall for it I'd call him on it.

Sure, I get the whole Hammond needs the job and who of us would turn that money down. However, if you are any good at your job and were well respected you would get another chance. By being Kohl's yes man it might get Hammond another 3 years in Milwaukee but could end up costing him 20 more years of being a highly paid NBA GM.

Ayt · Post #32 » by **Ayt** » Thu May 2, 2013 9:08 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:I would love for somebody to ask him if he saw this ability in Tobias. If so, why did you trade him for an expiring non-star? If not, what are we supposed to think about that considering this guy was in your house for a year and a half?

That's the 9-11 commission investigation that needs to be done. 17/8 20-years olds can't hide out on an NBA team for a year and a half. Either they misjudged horribly or there is something they won't disclose about Tobias they didn't like (personal wise)

I highly doubt there is anything wrong with Tobes personality. He's already stepping into a leadership role in Orlando from what I could tell. It is a mark in his favor if the coaches didn't like him for moronic reasons.

Run-MKE 311 · Post #33 » by **Run-MKE 311** » Thu May 2, 2013 9:24 pm

absolute sink or swim time.

blazza18 · Post #34 » by **blazza18** » Thu May 2, 2013 10:14 pm

Really is hard to listen to Hammond these days.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #35 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu May 2, 2013 10:24 pm

smooth 'lil balla wrote:
DrugBust wrote:I just can't respect the guy. Look, he might be incredibly smart and know exactly how to build in the NBA (I honestly don't know how he couldn't).

But if he can't stand up to Kohl and let him know that his "mandate" is costing the team a chance at relevancy, then just step down.

No way you would do that. No way anyone here would do that unless you're phil jackson.

exactly. lets all quit our dream job because we dont agree with the way our ceo wants to do things. i could understand it if crossed ethical lines.... but the idea that hammond should quit his job because his boss wants to go another route would be asinine. even if other owners understood the reasons why hed do it, hed most likely be blackballed for life. because after all, what kind of idiot would do such a thing?

Post #36 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu May 2, 2013 10:27 pm

InsideOut wrote:Do people think Hammond has a gag order and can't say that this move was made under orders of Kohl?

If you've noticed the interviews the past few months, Hammond now sort of mocks his situation publicly, as if he's in on the joke. I think that actually is the worst response.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #37 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu May 2, 2013 10:28 pm

InsideOut wrote:Why can't Hammond come out and say the owner is not interested in a rebuild and that is why we are doing things this way. Why can't Hammond come out and say we traded Harris for JJ because Kohl said get JJ any cost (if that was the case)? Seriously, if Kohl forces Hammond to do something why can't that be public knowledge? Do people think Hammond has a gag order and can't say that this move was made under orders of Kohl?

he has said that over and over!!! you act surprised he hasnt come right out and accused kohl for his meddling. would you publcially question a boss beyond simply stating his goals? would you do it if you liked your job or only if you wanted to quickly get fired for cause?

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #38 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu May 2, 2013 10:30 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
InsideOut wrote:Do people think Hammond has a gag order and can't say that this move was made under orders of Kohl?

If you've noticed the interviews the past few months, Hammond now sort of mocks his situation publicly, as if he's in on the joke. I think that actually is the worst response.

gimme a break. worse response as opposed to what? youd rather he organized a bag night? :roll:

Chapter29 · Post #39 » by **Chapter29** » Thu May 2, 2013 11:44 pm

averageposter wrote:Fact of the matter is, whatever the mandate is from the top, this guy could be doing a better job of it. Probably should be doing a better job since they are in the east, half dozen teams are tanking, and our going for it moves like Redick trade didn't produce any tangible results in the only column that matters.

Exactly.

th87 · Post #40 » by **th87** » Fri May 3, 2013 12:11 am

When Hammond got hired, I remember that Kohl was under pressure for being a meddler. He denied this, and assured Hammond that he would not meddle in his decisions, and Hammond would leave if that started happening.

What a difference a few years makes.