What would you ask ATL for Sanders?

[theFireBlanket]

Horford's stock suddenly takes a huge hit and his career might be in jeopardy.
Ilyasova and Udoh for Horford and Jenkins. Wouldn't give up Sanders without the Bklyn pick.

Morway's prepared statement & trade conditions for Hammond when he's waiting at the phone.

[Baddy Chuck]

Would Lucas Nogueira and/or Dennis Schröder be interesting enough?

I like that pair a lot, I'd certainly give it some thought if I was running things.

I think there's mostly the "dump him now" and the "get a good piece or it isn't worth trading him" crowds. There really isn't many (any) teams right now that would even discuss a good piece for him and most would rather keep him then trading him for middling prospects/picks. I like Schroder A LOT and Nogueira more then most so it would have my interest more then stuff like Olynyk and other packages with mid first type assets but honestly, I'd probably pass.

I agree that both players are not sure-fire (although I really believe in Schröder). But if it's close, what's missing in the deal?

Pretty hard to say. Some type of pick would be the obvious way to add value, but the Nets pick could be too risky/too much for the Hawks and the Hawks pick could be not enough for us. Where that Brooklyn pick lands or where Atlanta is willing to risk it lands is probably the biggest question to start talking with.

[parson]

To give a non-smartass answer, after looking at the roster... I wouldn't really be interested in anything except the 2014 pick (including Horford, due to injury history). I can't imagine the Bucks brass would feel much differently about it.

You'd want an unprotected 1st that's looking more and more like a definite lottery - maybe a high lottery - pick in one of the best drafts in years?

I guess I understand this but ... do you remember when I said I'd probably argue? Why would Atlanta do this?

[parson]

I like that pair a lot, I'd certainly give it some thought if I was running things.

I think there's mostly the "dump him now" and the "get a good piece or it isn't worth trading him" crowds. There really isn't many (any) teams right now that would even discuss a good piece for him and most would rather keep him then trading him for middling prospects/picks. I like Schroder A LOT and Nogueira more then most so it would have my interest more then stuff like Olynyk and other packages with mid first type assets but honestly, I'd probably pass.

I agree that both players are not sure-fire (although I really believe in Schröder). But if it's close, what's missing in the deal?

Pretty hard to say. Some type of pick would be the obvious way to add value, but the Nets pick could be too risky/too much for the Hawks and the Hawks pick could be not enough for us. Where that Brooklyn pick lands or where Atlanta is willing to risk it lands is probably the biggest question to start talking with.

I notice we threw out Nogueira. I understand that some are worried he'll never be able to add enough bulk to power his way down low but that doesn't seem to bother your fans about Sanders. Bebe is 7ft, a terrific athlete, has good hands and is probably the only person in the world with longer arms than Antetokounmpo. His downside is that he's probably 2-3 years away.

[cinematographer]

Hawks fan here, with a simple question: what's the price for Sanders? Reading the Trade Board (and this one), I see y'all all over the place concerning the guy - " we hate him" / "he's the best defensive Center in all the world" - so what is the consensus?

I know y'all want 33 unprotected 1sts, PLUS Millsap, PLUS Teague, but, really, what would you ask the Hawks to give you for Sanders? Remember, I'm asking this so that the Hawks will not have to collapse, so your demands cannot decimate the team, or we'd have to say no.

Would Lucas Nogueira and/or Dennis Schröder be interesting enough?

Schröder and the Brooklyn pick.

[jr lucosa]

If you had a bigger expiring than Elton Brand so we could dump some of these **** contracts on you guys I'd be more open, I like Shroeder, Nogueira and Jenkins all a pretty good amount but not enough for me to let go of Larry.

[step3profit]

You'd want an unprotected 1st that's looking more and more like a definite lottery - maybe a high lottery - pick in one of the best drafts in years?

I guess I understand this but ... do you remember when I said I'd probably argue? Why would Atlanta do this?

If you leave a draft with a player as good as Sanders, most years, you did a fine job drafting. There's always risk when you trade a pick before the draft for a win-now player (See Irving, Kyrie). As Bucks fans know, that's the unfortunate price of wanting to win now - you have to pay to play.

As for why Atlanta would so this? I highly doubt Ferry and Hammond could come to an amenable agreement on the value of Sanders. But that would be my asking price.. I don't see room for negotiation on it for a player like Sanders in a season like this.

[bizarro]

If we're trading Larry to ATL, I'm definitely getting Schroder and a first with him. If Ferry isn't listening, I politely hang up the phone.

My reasons:

(1) I really love Schroder's game with Giannis.
(2) Shcroder is 'stuck' behind Teague who y'all just signed to a deal. Of course, I know Schroder isn't 'stuck', rather, he's low on the totem pole due to veterans and recent extensions.
(3) This would allow us to move Mayo by the deadline and move Knight to the 2 (And, no, I'm not trading Larry so I can trade Mayo)
(4) Schroder is completely unproven hence throw in Brooklyn's pick
(5) Larry is an elite elite defender and rim protector - given what Morey was asking for Asik I think this is more than fair

In the end, I still probably pass on this deal. But, I'm really really torn on the Larry issue right now. My instincts say ride it out for awhile. But, if his value is high for ATL I'd like nothing more than to fleece Ferry. I just don't think Hammond has it in him.

[parson]

If we're trading Larry to ATL, I'm definitely getting Schroder and a first with him. If Ferry isn't listening, I politely hang up the phone.

If the demand is "a first," we have room to talk. If the demand is THE 1st, the BKN 2014 1st, then there's no way.

Think of a player the equal of Sanders but on another team. Now imagine THEM demanding YOUR unprotected 1st THIS YEAR. You'd scream no, wouldn't you?

[cinematographer]

Given the salary discrepancy between Sanders and Schröder, this is my offer:

Sanders
Mayo
Zaza

for

Horford
Schröder
Lou Williams
Brooklyn pick

I don't want to move Sanders. If I'm trading Sanders, I'd rather couple him with a future pick or picks to acquire Embiid. But, being a realist, I ask for steep, and will accept the removal of the Brooklyn pick in negotiations. Or giving a future protected-first as a sweetener to keep it in.

But if they want Sanders, they're taking our **** contracts back.

[bizarro]

If we're trading Larry to ATL, I'm definitely getting Schroder and a first with him. If Ferry isn't listening, I politely hang up the phone.

If the demand is "a first," we have room to talk. If the demand is THE 1st, the BKN 2014 1st, then there's no way.

Think of a player the equal of Sanders but on another team. Now imagine THEM demanding YOUR unprotected 1st THIS YEAR. You'd scream no, wouldn't you?

Here's the thing about your pick this year...you have the right to swap if it's in your favor. And, assuming you want it in your favor assumes you want to make the playoffs and, perhaps, surprise some people there. SO, there's a price for that. I mean, we're either going to get your pick this year (our preference) or next year (not my preference) where you also have the rights to swap with Brooklyn. If there's some kind of absolute foot down over this year's pick, I'm probably saying 'Let's get a third team involved'. We're getting another top 10 lotto pick in this draft and a top prospect...or we're simply going to continue to lose games; develop our youth and pick through our 'trash' (no disrespect meant to our players); and let Larry build back more value for our team and around the league.

[Baddy Chuck]

Given the salary discrepancy between Sanders and Schröder, this is my offer:

Sanders
Mayo
Zaza

for

Horford
Schröder
Lou Williams
Brooklyn pick

I don't want to move Sanders. If I'm trading Sanders, I'd rather couple him with a future pick or picks to acquire Embiid. But, being a realist, I ask for steep, and will accept the removal of the Brooklyn pick in negotiations. Or giving a future protected-first as a sweetener to keep it in.

But if they want Sanders, they're taking our **** contracts back.

That's **** unbelievably awful for Atlanta.

[parson]

Given the salary discrepancy between Sanders and Schröder, this is my offer:

Sanders
Mayo
Zaza

for

Horford
Schröder
Lou Williams
Brooklyn pick

I don't want to move Sanders. If I'm trading Sanders, I'd rather couple him with a future pick or picks to acquire Embiid. But, being a realist, I ask for steep, and will accept the removal of the Brooklyn pick in negotiations. Or giving a future protected-first as a sweetener to keep it in.

But if they want Sanders, they're taking our **** contracts back.

You just asked Horford, the BKN pick, a top prospect (at a position where you really need help) and a 6th Man of the Year candidate, PLUS salary relief ... for Larry Sanders.

Er, uh, thanks for your opinion?

[bizarro]

Given the salary discrepancy between Sanders and Schröder, this is my offer:

Sanders
Mayo
Zaza

for

Horford
Schröder
Lou Williams
Brooklyn pick

I don't want to move Sanders. If I'm trading Sanders, I'd rather couple him with a future pick or picks to acquire Embiid. But, being a realist, I ask for steep, and will accept the removal of the Brooklyn pick in negotiations. Or giving a future protected-first as a sweetener to keep it in.

But if they want Sanders, they're taking our **** contracts back.

That's **** unbelievably awful for Atlanta.

Indeed it is. Vomit-inducing awful. It's terribly unrealistic too. But, I want nothing more than to fleece Ferry so I'd back this proposal up with a straight face. But, it's really a slap to the face.

[Baddy Chuck]

If we're trading Larry to ATL, I'm definitely getting Schroder and a first with him. If Ferry isn't listening, I politely hang up the phone.

If the demand is "a first," we have room to talk. If the demand is THE 1st, the BKN 2014 1st, then there's no way.

Think of a player the equal of Sanders but on another team. Now imagine THEM demanding YOUR unprotected 1st THIS YEAR. You'd scream no, wouldn't you?

Sure, but ours is basically guaranteed to get you a can't miss player and the Brooklyn pick might not even be in the second tier of prospects. Anything outside of like 7 in this draft isn't much better then other years.

[blazza18]

Schroder and the Brooklyn pick.

[bizarro]

Given the salary discrepancy between Sanders and Schröder, this is my offer:

Sanders
Mayo
Zaza

for

Horford
Schröder
Lou Williams
Brooklyn pick

I don't want to move Sanders. If I'm trading Sanders, I'd rather couple him with a future pick or picks to acquire Embiid. But, being a realist, I ask for steep, and will accept the removal of the Brooklyn pick in negotiations. Or giving a future protected-first as a sweetener to keep it in.

But if they want Sanders, they're taking our **** contracts back.

You just asked Horford, the BKN pick, a top prospect (at a position where you really need help) and a 6th Man of the Year candidate, PLUS salary relief ... for Larry Sanders.

Er, uh, thanks for your opinion?

He really really values Sanders' 'd'. Seriously. He'll give you a whole litany of xRAPM stats to put you and your loved ones to bed. I think his point more than anything (though, in this case vastly overstated) is he wants more value received than given.

[parson]

We're getting another top 10 lotto pick in this draft and a top prospect...or we're simply going to continue to lose games; develop our youth and pick through our 'trash' (no disrespect meant to our players); and let Larry build back more value for our team and around the league.

Not being a smart aleck or anything, but how are y'all going to "continue to lose games" in this lousy East if you keep Sanders? Won't Sanders/Henson/Antekounmpo win a few games for you? Kinda hard for Sanders to "build back more value" and not help you win.

[step3profit]

There's still risk even with the BKN pick. Brooklyn is just crazy enough to make more win-now trades.. somehow.. and push that pick out of the top 10. So, it goes both ways. Hell, they could play .450 ball the rest of the way, make the playoffs as the 8th seed in the east, and it ends up a #15.

[Baddy Chuck]

We're getting another top 10 lotto pick in this draft and a top prospect...or we're simply going to continue to lose games; develop our youth and pick through our 'trash' (no disrespect meant to our players); and let Larry build back more value for our team and around the league.

Not being a smart aleck or anything, but how are y'all going to "continue to lose games" in this lousy East if you keep Sanders? Won't Sanders/Henson/Antekounmpo win a few games for you? Kinda hard for Sanders to "build back more value" and not help you win.

Cleveland got the first pick with Kyrie Irving.

We're ****. Adding Sanders to **** is like spraying febreeze over ****. We're still ****.