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Re: Giannis'( Greek God ) Antetokounmpo Development part 3 

Post#21 » by blazza18 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:42 am

The glide dunk he did that confused the **** out of Pau was one of the most holy **** things I've seen Giannis do.
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Post#22 » by freewhitemoon » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:44 am

His form shooting off the dribble is still kinda iffy
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Post#24 » by freewhitemoon » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:57 am

His BPM increased again to 9.9
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Re: Giannis'( Greek God ) Antetokounmpo Development part 3 

Post#26 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:08 pm

Giannis is 6/12 (50%) from 3 in his last 5 games. 7/18 (38.9%) if you wanna go back 3 more games. Small as **** sample size obviously but still encouraging.
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Re: Giannis'( Greek God ) Antetokounmpo Development part 3 

Post#27 » by greekbuck34 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:16 pm

Giannis defense in not normal. He's defending like a madman even multiple players in the same play at times.
He can stop or double team a big guy in our paint and when this guy pass it out to an wide open player in our perimeter Giannis is actually quick and long enough to manage to put a hand on that too.

There is not another 7 footer that could actually do this consistently and it makes our subpar defense look excellent at times.
Giannis' control of his body is unreal for his size.
It's not perfect though and at times like yesterday he commits stupid fouls.
It's not only the difficulty of what he does, it is also the fatique(playing without a breather for +20 mins) and his lack of experience
which cause him to overextend on his hedge outs, to hack someone unwillingly, to fall on someone who pumb faked.

Giannis need to learn and adapt. His team is doomed without him in the court. We have noone able to replace him in the defensive end! If he commits on a quick foul he has to switch to a regular man 2 man defense or at least lower down his energy level.
It's much more preferable to have holes in our defense with him on the court than play without him in both ends of the court.
Leonard after the first 5-6 stops of Giannis actually quited on the game and just refused to attack after a while. Most of the players afraid to attack Giannis length right now. Just his presense in our lineup affects their offensive decisions.

Giannis has to learn that. No more foul trouble.
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Re: Giannis'( Greek God ) Antetokounmpo Development part 3 

Post#28 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:24 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis defense in not normal. He's defending like a madman even multiple players in the same play at times.
He can stop or double team a big guy in our paint and when this guy pass it out to an wide open player in our perimeter Giannis is actually quick and long enough to manage to put a hand on that too.

There is not another 7 footer that could actually do this consistently and it makes our subpar defense look excellent at times.
Giannis' control of his body is unreal for his size.
It's not perfect though and at times like yesterday he commits stupid fouls.
It's not only the difficulty of what he does, it is also the fatique(playing without a breather for +20 mins) and his lack of experience
which cause him to overextend on his hedge outs, to hack someone unwillingly, to fall on someone who pumb faked.

Giannis need to learn and adapt. His team is doomed without him in the court. We have noone able to replace him in the defensive end! If he commits on a quick foul he has to switch to a regular man 2 man defense or at least lower down his energy level.
It's much more preferable to have holes in our defense with him on the court than play without him in both ends of the court.
Leonard after the first 5-6 stops of Giannis actually quited on the game and just refused to attack after a while. Most of the players afraid to attack Giannis length right now. Just his presense in our lineup affects their offensive decisions.

Giannis has to learn that. No more foul trouble.

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Post#29 » by crkone » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:57 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis defense in not normal. He's defending like a madman even multiple players in the same play at times.
He can stop or double team a big guy in our paint and when this guy pass it out to an wide open player in our perimeter Giannis is actually quick and long enough to manage to put a hand on that too.

There is not another 7 footer that could actually do this consistently and it makes our subpar defense look excellent at times.
Giannis' control of his body is unreal for his size.
It's not perfect though and at times like yesterday he commits stupid fouls.
It's not only the difficulty of what he does, it is also the fatique(playing without a breather for +20 mins) and his lack of experience
which cause him to overextend on his hedge outs, to hack someone unwillingly, to fall on someone who pumb faked.

Giannis need to learn and adapt. His team is doomed without him in the court. We have noone able to replace him in the defensive end! If he commits on a quick foul he has to switch to a regular man 2 man defense or at least lower down his energy level.
It's much more preferable to have holes in our defense with him on the court than play without him in both ends of the court.
Leonard after the first 5-6 stops of Giannis actually quited on the game and just refused to attack after a while. Most of the players afraid to attack Giannis length right now. Just his presense in our lineup affects their offensive decisions.

Giannis has to learn that. No more foul trouble.



His problem is bodying up on PnRs and reaching when guys are about to turn the corner on him. He needs to stop both of those but should continue poking at the ball when he is beat, or if someone else is beat and he can get to the ball on a dribble drive.

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Post#30 » by yannisk » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:16 pm

Two great highlights yesterday. The gliding dunk over Gasol and the amazing putback
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Post#31 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:26 pm

I know the spin move is his go-to, but I would like to see him add something in the post. Thinking it would be great if he worked on that Dirk one-leg fade away/step back as an option. I've provided video of Dirk executing said moves for your viewing pleasure.

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Post#32 » by humanrefutation » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:30 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:I know the spin move is his go-to, but I would like to see him add something in the post. Thinking it would be great if he worked on that Dirk one-leg fade away/step back as an option. I've provided video of Dirk executing said moves for your viewing pleasure.



I mean, he's been invited by Dirk's shooting coach to train in Germany next summer.

Giannis Antetokounmpo, the resident wunderkind of the Milwaukee Bucks, has an offer from Holger Geschwindner, the personal shooting coach of the Dallas Mavericks’ Dirk Nowitzki, to join him in Germany next summer for a master class in the art of the long-range shot.

“That’s a nice invitation right there,” Antetokounmpo said.
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Post#33 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:31 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:I know the spin move is his go-to, but I would like to see him add something in the post. Thinking it would be great if he worked on that Dirk one-leg fade away/step back as an option. I've provided video of Dirk executing said moves for your viewing pleasure.


That would make him a way better ISO player but between giannis posting someone up, or facing them and driving, Im taking the face up 99% of the time.
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Post#34 » by Whiteman » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:35 pm

I can't get over how much better he is now than 8 months ago, when he was already racking up triple doubles. The timing on his passes, the decision making on when to attack and when to get teammates involved, the defense... So much fun to watch.

Prime Giannis has arrived, may his reign last a dozen years.
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Post#35 » by humanrefutation » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:43 pm

Giannis's biggest offensive liabilities were apparent down the stretch yesterday, when he tried to go to his classic dribble drive spin-o-rama and got stymied. Teams with multiple effective bigs will make it harder on him to make that kind of play consistently in a half-court set, which makes it even more imperative that he gets, and takes, jumpers when they sag off him.
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Post#36 » by HurricaneKid » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:46 pm

The end of the game really showed his youthful exuberance. He attempted to block an All NBA player's baseline fallaway from 16 feet away that got him out of position, that led to an offensive rebound. It also made him late on the help on LMA. The more egregious play was winding up for the block. A) why would you want to knock the ball out of bounds? B) it cost .1-.2 extra seconds that made it a goaltend. If he just stretches his arms out he gets it clean, the Bucks probably get the ball and the win. And it would have been one helluva highlight.
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Post#37 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:54 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:I know the spin move is his go-to, but I would like to see him add something in the post. Thinking it would be great if he worked on that Dirk one-leg fade away/step back as an option. I've provided video of Dirk executing said moves for your viewing pleasure.


That would make him a way better ISO player but between giannis posting someone up, or facing them and driving, Im taking the face up 99% of the time.


Why? Two points is two points.
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Post#38 » by KidA24 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:57 pm

What's next is the counter to the spin. Whether that will be a hard plant into a fade away, hard plant and an up and under....

Something other than spin and cover huge distance and only be able to go to the rim.
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Post#39 » by skones » Tue Dec 6, 2016 5:01 pm

yannisk wrote:Two great highlights yesterday. The gliding dunk over Gasol and the amazing putback


Also where he took 0 dribbles to get from the three point line to the rim while splitting two defenders? That one got me excited.
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Post#40 » by greekbuck34 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 5:18 pm

Is this considered an in the paint shot or a middle range shot because he clearly jumped outside of the paint area.
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By the way Giannis in the last 8 games:

Mid-Range : 6/13 ( 46.2%)
3point : 7/18 (38.9%)
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