Giannis Thread - 6 Days To Go

[BuckFan25226]

What is this talk about the owners flying in today? Where was this said?

Page 93 - Shafty posted a flight plan which presumably is indicating that Lasry and/or Edens are flying in this evening to deal with Giannis' contract.

My hope is that Shafty wouldn't post a random flight plan unless it had significance. PP seems to also have additional detail about it due to his sudden optimism of something getting done soon.

Voodoo is still not worried.

MTC....

[JimmyTheKid]

But where exactly is Porschla Kidd right now?

[mlloyd10]

But where exactly is Porschla Kidd right now?

trying to get in contact with Malik Beasley

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

What is this talk about the owners flying in today? Where was this said?

Page 93 - Shafty posted a flight plan which presumably is indicating that Lasry and/or Edens are flying in this evening to deal with Giannis' contract.

My hope is that Shafty wouldn't post a random flight plan unless it had significance. PP seems to also have additional detail about it due to his sudden optimism of something getting done soon.

Voodoo is still not worried.

MTC....

thank you

[paulpressey25]

But where exactly is Porschla Kidd right now?

She happy in LA

https://2paragraphs.com/2019/10/jason-kidds-hot-wife-making-big-splash-in-la-with-modeling-agent/

[aboveAverage]

Any info you can share with us PP?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Buffalo Bills fans do this with the owner's private jet every offseason to see if they think he's flying out to meet with a player personally, flying a player in to Buffalo to see the team facilities/sign, etc. It's usually a pretty good indicator with the free agents, though fans sometimes try to use the flight plans in relation to trade negotiations and that's almost always a waste of time.

and1 you but aIso wanted to fist bump Iast nights win!! this week if somebody said i had to choose between giannis or josh aIIen it wouId be a tough choice

As it was ordained by the football gods, Buffalo will finally get to host a playoff game but no fans allowed lol. Whatever, I'll take it.

I've actually been to the last two playoff games now and was obviously disappointed in the result both times; Wild Card Weekend is generally the weekend of both me and my mother's birthday and she's a gigantic Bills fan so we've tried to fly out wherever they're playing as a birthday gift to her. All she wants is to see the Bills win a playoff game with her family.

It's really incredible how well Allen has developed. I obsessively scout QBs and I loved Allen at Wyoming, but pretty much every Bills fan I know hated the pick at the time so it's been fun to see everyone come around on him.

lived in rochester k-3rd grade.... buffalo 4th-8th grade. joe ferguson and the kay stephenson era looms large in my formative years lol.... we moved down to nyc area in high school but would still drive up at least once a year for games. i have not been to a game since the early 90s but i love the bills and bucks equally.

as for the rest of your post.... we have a qb. a really really really good one finally. after all those strong armed allen like qb picks that invariably flopped we deserved this kid the same way the bucks deserved giannis. as a fan of both teams the similarities are striking for what this could mean for our teams. watching last nights game listening to collinsworth just go on and on and on about allen reminded me of how people began talking about giannis his 3rd year. good stuff. where do you post the bills? im not on a message board with them

[machu46]

and1 you but aIso wanted to fist bump Iast nights win!! this week if somebody said i had to choose between giannis or josh aIIen it wouId be a tough choice

As it was ordained by the football gods, Buffalo will finally get to host a playoff game but no fans allowed lol. Whatever, I'll take it.

I've actually been to the last two playoff games now and was obviously disappointed in the result both times; Wild Card Weekend is generally the weekend of both me and my mother's birthday and she's a gigantic Bills fan so we've tried to fly out wherever they're playing as a birthday gift to her. All she wants is to see the Bills win a playoff game with her family.

It's really incredible how well Allen has developed. I obsessively scout QBs and I loved Allen at Wyoming, but pretty much every Bills fan I know hated the pick at the time so it's been fun to see everyone come around on him.

lived in rochester k-3rd grade.... buffalo 4th-8th grade. joe ferguson and the kay stephenson era looms large in my formative years lol.... we moved down to nyc area in high school but would still drive up at least once a year for games. i have not been to a game since the early 90s but i love the bills and bucks equally.

as for the rest of your post.... we have a qb. a really really really good one finally. after all those strong armed allen like qb picks that invariably flopped we deserved this kid the same way the bucks deserved giannis. as a fan of both teams the similarities are striking for what this could mean for our teams. watching last nights game listening to collinsworth just go on and on and on about allen reminded me of how people began talking about giannis his 3rd year. good stuff. where do you post the bills? im not on a message board with them

Yeah, I lived in Rochester up until 2016, grew up going to their training camp all the time (I'm a youngster; too young to really remember the Jim Kelly days, so it's been mostly misery for me as a fan haha). My family still tries to go to a game or two every year though it's tougher for me now that I'm down in DC. The rest of them are still up in Rochester so it's a pretty easy drive for them.

As for the message boards, I used to post on a lot of them, but I've basically settled on TwoBillsDrive.com now and my posting there has been pretty sporadic this season anyways. Just been really busy for me but I'm usually on there a lot in the offseason.

[paulpressey25]

Any info you can share with us PP?

There is just a rumor running in the deep corners of the interwebs that the owners will be meeting and finalizing all of this over the next 24-48 hours. So, until something happens one way or the other, I’m going to choose to be optimistic.

[ABucksFan]

Any info you can share with us PP?

There is just a rumor running in the deep corners of the interwebs that the owners will be meeting and finalizing all of this over the next 24-48 hours. So, until something happens one way or the other, I’m going to choose to be optimistic.

I am mentally prepared for whatever. Am feeling optimistic though that something gets done.

[emunney]

What % would Giannis have to shoot for you guys to be ok with Giannis taking 3s?

It's not a hard set number because it depends on the situation. For it to be acceptable to me for Giannis to pull up for three early in the shot clock, I think he needs to be making them at about 37-38%.

League average TS% was 57% last season. Giannis had a 77 TS% at the rim on 14.3 attempts per game. When shooting 4+ feet from the rim, Giannis had a 41 TS% on 10.2 attempts per game. I see that as an issue.

Bingo.

Antoine Walker shouldn’t have shot threes. Giannis is a comfortably worse shooter than Antoine Walker. Last year he shot them at a rate similar to Walker.

Giannis shooting a three should be worst case scenario for our offense. Giannis handling the ball at all outside the arc should be a solid Plan C.

To answer the original question, 35%.

Just so we're clear, I don't think he should be doing it either. I think he's bad enough at transition/semi-transition 3s, in fact, that I would be surprised if he'll ever get good enough at them for taking them to make sense. Last year he shot about 20% in those situations. It's not close.

I think at this point the only 3 that's ok for him is the one where he backs it out, measures it, and takes it in rhythm, which is usually mid-to-late shotclock. That shot, to me, is the one that could improve to the point where he could eventually get some sort of commitment from the defense and play off it. But I question whether the time investment in that kind of shot will ever pay off the way putting in the same amount of time/effort into a floater/runner would, where he's coming to the basket and would be in position for a fair amount of putbacks on his misses. Or any number of other skills.

[Ruzious]

T minus 7 days.

It's gonna feel like this: tick tick tick... tick... tick... tick... ticktickticktick... tick...


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[raferfenix]

Just watched Chris Haynes' analysis that he has a "hard time believing Giannis will turn down the supermax."

You'd think he'd have a good bead on this if only considering he's Mariah's cousin (right?).

The Bogdan part also tracks with the Bleacher Report story about how he was Giannis' preferred acquisition, in which case calling it a "mishap" seems charitable:

I know Giannis a little bit, he's going to get irritated about [the storyline of him leaving hanging over the season]. With that being said, I have a hard time believing he would turn [the supermax] down. I spoke to Giannis in the bubble right after they got eliminated, he talked about how much he loved Milwaukee and he talked about wanting to establish a culture, a championship identity with his own team, rather than going somewhere else to pursue those dreams. That means a lot to him, the way he goes about pursuing a title.

You talk about the mishap they had with Bogdan, not acquiring him. That was just, that could have been so prevented, the way that thing was handled. Bogdan and Giannis, they're really cool, they speak, and Giannis really did want him on the squad I was told. So just the way that played out, I don't know who's to blame, I have my theories, but that could have definitely been handled better. I don't know if they are better than last year. I think Jrue Holiday is a hell of a player, but they lost some other guys, so I'm interested in seeing how the season plays out. But with that said I think Milwaukee has shown that they are willing to do what it takes to try and bring in talent over there around Giannis. And I do think, this isn't based on any intel right now, but I do think he will end up signing that extension before the deadline in a few weeks. I think for right now it's up to the Bucks to make sure they keep filling that roster, because I don't know if as of right now if the way it's constructed if they are right there amongst the top two.

https://sports.yahoo.com/giannis-sign-not-affect-bucks-211847725.html?ncid=twitter_yahoosport_dw14wrbb51g

[GoldenAntlers]

Pretty confident Giannis either signs the extension or he doesn't. Heard so from my source down in Santa Fe. Apparently, Giannis was driving through the desert and took some peyote. He then went on a spirit quest (naked for those who care) and there he met his ancestors who advised him to either sign the exension or not.

[Ron Swanson]

Top-5 improvements he needs to make:

1) Free throws
2) Free throws
3) Free throws
4) Free throws
5) Free throws

[crkone]

I'd like Giannis to get better at flopping. He takes a ton of abuse and deserves his Oscar.

[coolhandluke121]

So i ask, why is he Westbrook?

Simple. Impulsive decision-making and not making any concessions to his limitations. He's much more efficient than Westbrook because he's 7 feet tall, but that just makes it all the more infuriating that he shoots 3's. And even with his all-time great finishing ability, there's no excuse for going 1-on-3 so much. The free throws are a huge issue as well. And calling him a 7-foot Westbrook is not nearly the insult you seem to think it is, as Westbrook clearly had a MASSIVE impact on the game and some all-time great stat lines before his inevitable decline. However, despite having the best box scores in the league, I have grave doubts about whether his decision-making will ever improve enough to put him among the first 5 guys you'd want on your team deep in the playoffs. He's been talking about not charging into 3 guys and getting offensive fouls for years now, but he still does it just as much.

Finally, his reliance on raw athletic gifts reminds me a lot of Westbrook. Unlike Giannis, you could debate Westbrook's MVP credentials - however, you couldn't really debate that he had a huge positive impact when he was at his physical peak. More importantly, you can't really argue that there was ever any hope of continuing to be a star, let alone a superstar, after his late 20's. Giannis seems likely to have a similar trajectory. He'll be a level above Westbrook every step of the way due to his height, but he hasn't really added any significant polish to his raw physical gifts, and it's looking doubtful that he ever will. Fortunately we probably don't have to worry about that for 3-4 years.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

I too would love to see Giannis progress on his post game and free throw shooting. I think Giannis surrounded by shooters makes way more sense than Giannis *as* the shooter. Giannis spending practice time behind the arc IMO makes only a little more sense than if Shaq had done that.

[KonKrete]

I'm not an "insider". I don't have any connections whatsoever to the Bucks except as a fan. If he was leaving, that young man would have let us know. It's who he is.

[MikeIsGood]

Top-5 improvements he needs to make:

1) Free throws
2) Free throws
3) Free throws
4) Free throws
5) Free throws

This. I wouldn't mind like a 17' being #6 on the list, but I truly don't care if he shoots 3s or not. I mean, I mostly care that he doesn't.