Wisconsin Badgers Thread

Post #21 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:55 pm

Kerb Hohl · Post #22 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:00 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:Were there any rumors as to why Alando was canned?

I don't think he was canned. Just didn't get the permanent position he applied for.

He better not have been the one to leak this, or it'll follow him forever if he tries to get on another staff.

He was essentially canned even if he "didn't get the permanent position he applied for."

Something would have had to have gone very wrong or he'd have had to be a bad coach to not get the permanent gig. So for all intents and purposes he was canned.

And yes, it's painfully obvious it was him.

chonestown · Post #23 » by **chonestown** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:09 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:Were there any rumors as to why Alando was canned?

I don't think he was canned. Just didn't get the permanent position he applied for.

He better not have been the one to leak this, or it'll follow him forever if he tries to get on another staff.

He was essentially canned even if he "didn't get the permanent position he applied for."

Something would have had to have gone very wrong or he'd have had to be a bad coach to not get the permanent gig. So for all intents and purposes he was canned.

And yes, it's painfully obvious it was him.

Yeah, this was what I was going to post.

Gonna admit, it's nice content for Badger backers and meatball fans alike during a quiet time.

Kerb Hohl · Post #24 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:12 pm

chonestown wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
I don't think he was canned. Just didn't get the permanent position he applied for.

He better not have been the one to leak this, or it'll follow him forever if he tries to get on another staff.

He was essentially canned even if he "didn't get the permanent position he applied for."

Something would have had to have gone very wrong or he'd have had to be a bad coach to not get the permanent gig. So for all intents and purposes he was canned.

And yes, it's painfully obvious it was him.

Yeah, this was what I was going to post.

Gonna admit, it's nice content for Badger backers and meatball fans alike during a quiet time.

Quiet times?!?! Johnathan Davis is down to the final cut to make the U19 Team USA roster!

Post #25 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:13 pm

My guess is it was him too, but given he's trying to get into coaching it's just about the #1 thing he could have done to tank his chances of ever getting hired again.

Kerb Hohl · Post #26 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:17 pm

If not Tucker, the only guesses I'd have are one of the guys that was frustrated like McGrory or maybe Reuvers.

Reuvers is too smart to burn that bridge and while some of these guys were "soft" on the court or whatever, they all seem like stand-up guys. Granted, so did Tucker.

Potter and Anderson liked the Potrykus tweet speculating that it wasn't a player.

midranger · Post #27 » by **midranger** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:44 pm

HaroldinGMinor · Post #28 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:49 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:If not Tucker, the only guesses I'd have are one of the guys that was frustrated like McGrory or maybe Reuvers.

Reuvers is too smart to burn that bridge and while some of these guys were "soft" on the court or whatever, they all seem like stand-up guys. Granted, so did Tucker.

Potter and Anderson liked the Potrykus tweet speculating that it wasn't a player.

"I am NOT in danger. I AM the danger. I AM the one who knocks."

Post #29 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:25 am

Everyone is focusing on the leaker (and btw, leaking an ostensibly private team meeting is reprehensible absent some extraordinary circumstances). Not enough is being made of why this was leaked and what was said in the leak itself. Both of those issues matter more than the identity of the leaker, IMO.

It was not a good look for Gard. I don't expect coaches to be perfect, but when you have multiple seniors basically saying that they don't have a relationship with the head coach and they wouldn't exactly give a ringing endorsement to the program, that seems to be a major issue. No?

Kerb Hohl · Post #30 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:51 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Everyone is focusing on the leaker (and btw, leaking an ostensibly private team meeting is reprehensible absent some extraordinary circumstances). Not enough is being made of why this was leaked and what was said in the leak itself. Both of those issues matter more than the identity of the leaker, IMO.

It was not a good look for Gard. I don't expect coaches to be perfect, but when you have multiple seniors basically saying that they don't have a relationship with the head coach and they wouldn't exactly give a ringing endorsement to the program, that seems to be a major issue. No?

The "why" (granted, it's theories cobbled together from breadcrumbs of info from insiders and writers), is that Tucker's coaching career was going down in flames and he tried to take Gard down with him.

If you go through players and coaches, Tucker seems to be the only one with a reason to do it.

Maybe we should ask "why" the coach's response was curiously edited out. Maybe it made him look good? As noted by other writers, neither Bennett nor Ryan would have even allowed a team meeting like this.

I don't think Gard is the greatest player's coach. He is a vanilla guy that is trying to take the Bo Ryan hard ass/tough love strategy...but this also does sound like what I'd have said to my coach late in a season where we had a ton of adversity, fell short of expectations, and at the time I hated the coach was being a dick to me trying to get the most out of me. Like, the stuff Ford says seems to maybe be the exact reason he went from a guy that could only hit wide open layups and a few 3s to a guy that was a key bench player and B10 caliber guy.

I'm still friends with the coaches in the situation from the paragraph from above.

Read on Twitter

HaroldinGMinor · Post #31 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:07 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Everyone is focusing on the leaker (and btw, leaking an ostensibly private team meeting is reprehensible absent some extraordinary circumstances). Not enough is being made of why this was leaked and what was said in the leak itself. Both of those issues matter more than the identity of the leaker, IMO.

It was not a good look for Gard. I don't expect coaches to be perfect, but when you have multiple seniors basically saying that they don't have a relationship with the head coach and they wouldn't exactly give a ringing endorsement to the program, that seems to be a major issue. No?

It was also 37 minutes of a 2 hour meeting. The greatest hits if you will.

MikeIsGood · Post #32 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:15 pm

My biggest concern from this is how it makes our staff, players, and program look now. Some of the stuff said is interesting and I guess I'll leave it at that, but I'm also struggling a bit to read into it too much in light of how thoroughly over I am of that group of Seniors. I don't think that Alando (how ironic), Butch, Flowers, Kam team would have even dreamed of this kind of thing, but I digress and wasn't there.

But how do recruits, and even incoming players, look at this now? How do their families? My hope is that there is swift response in the other direction from a heartier group of players to effectively say the program is great, we get support, our current group is tough mentally and can handle the coaching feedback, blah blah blah. Unless they're planning to can Gard, which I doubt, we need this spun back in the other direction.

chonestown · Post #33 » by **chonestown** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:24 pm

The Jordan Hill tweet thread accusing the UW staff of coaching that leaves them ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball is hilarious.

Jordan Hill!

midranger · Post #34 » by **midranger** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:36 pm

chonestown wrote:The Jordan Hill tweet thread accusing the UW staff of coaching that leaves them ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball is hilarious.

Jordan Hill!

To be fair, jordan hill was ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball.

midranger · Post #35 » by **midranger** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 pm

I think we had a bitchy group of seniors, in a tough COVID lock down year, and potentially someone stoking the flames behind the scenes.

I don’t think the reflects well on anybody.

I’m glad they left. Wish we had the full reset with Davison gone as well, as I’ve heard there were some issues/resentments there as well.

At the same time, there clearly is some issue when half the team is upset and it’s impacting their on court play.

Hopefully Gard rights the ship and guys are ready to contribute sooner rather than later.

chonestown · Post #36 » by **chonestown** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 pm

midranger wrote:
chonestown wrote:The Jordan Hill tweet thread accusing the UW staff of coaching that leaves them ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball is hilarious.

Jordan Hill!

To be fair, jordan hill was ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball.

Watch on YouTube

Kerb Hohl · Post #37 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:My biggest concern from this is how it makes our staff, players, and program look now. Some of the stuff said is interesting and I guess I'll leave it at that, but I'm also struggling a bit to read into it too much in light of how thoroughly over I am of that group of Seniors. I don't think that Alando (how ironic), Butch, Flowers, Kam team would have even dreamed of this kind of thing, but I digress and wasn't there.

But how do recruits, and even incoming players, look at this now? How do their families? My hope is that there is swift response in the other direction from a heartier group of players to effectively say the program is great, we get support, our current group is tough mentally and can handle the coaching feedback, blah blah blah. Unless they're planning to can Gard, which I doubt, we need this spun back in the other direction.

The Kobe King saga was not long ago. When that happened, Bowman's parents, Hepburn's parents, Mors' parents and those players themselves all rallied to support Gard publicly.

Those are all of the new guys coming in that were just commits at the time.

Yes, it's 2021 so I'm sure there will be transfer departures, but for better or worse, they have a very young team and don't really need to do much recruiting.

This could have some weight if it comes back up again in some way this year and half of the guys decide to transfer next year but we already made it through one insane transfer season without any of these guys leaving, so there's that.

Again, I don't think he's the best at "connecting with players," but I also think about guys like Coach K and laugh at the idea that there is any sort of connection there. I'm sure he does the same things Gard does like show up at graduation and occasionally check-in on guys but I cannot fathom a 20-year-old actually bonding with freaking Coach K. That's why you have younger assistants.

Kerb Hohl · Post #38 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

midranger wrote:
chonestown wrote:The Jordan Hill tweet thread accusing the UW staff of coaching that leaves them ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball is hilarious.

Jordan Hill!

To be fair, jordan hill was ill-prepared for post-collegiate basketball.

When I clicked his profile I was really thrown for a loop with his handle basically being "Jordan Taylor." I was like, "oh ****! This isn't great...oh...Jordan Hill"

chonestown · Post #39 » by **chonestown** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:59 pm

College sports message boards are the refuge of the bloodthirsty and barely literate.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #40 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:04 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Again, I don't think he's the best at "connecting with players," but I also think about guys like Coach K and laugh at the idea that there is any sort of connection there. I'm sure he does the same things Gard does like show up at graduation and occasionally check-in on guys but I cannot fathom a 20-year-old actually bonding with freaking Coach K. That's why you have younger assistants.

During the Bo years, wasn't Gard the guy players went to when they needed to vent about stuff?