Is Khris cooked?

[raferfenix]

Ignoring salary and cap considerations:

Is current Khris better or worse than old man Toni Kukoc or Horry?

Yes there is a range since they were old many years to varying levels of effectiveness.

[msiris]

His body is well done. He hasn't been able to do anything to stay in basketall shape the last three years due to off season surgeries. Or has he ever done any off seasoning conditioning? I know for sure his ankles will never be100%. Basketball is the hardest sport on the legs.

[humanrefutation]

We are about 9 months removed from watching Khris roast the Pacers. I don't think he's cooked. Definitely not as a third option.

and

He's just not someone we can rely on to be a primary offensive weapon on a consistent basis anymore

feel incongruent to me, though. If we can't rely on him to be a primary offensive weapon on a consistent basis, it feels to me like he is cooked as a third option to a championship team. We need him to be the player he is when he is able to show up - all the time.

We're also double-ankle surgery past 9 months ago. We have four playoff series to go through if we're winning another ring, and all of this is where and why it feels like he's cooked.

I don't see it as incongruent. Last year, Giannis missed the whole series and Dame missed games, too. That placed significantly greater offensive responsibility on Khris's shoulders, and he still rose to the occasion for the most part.

I shudder at the thought that he has to be our #1 or our #2. But as a third option the expectations are far less, especially in the postseason when rotations are shortened and he's unlikely to ever be on the court without either Giannis or Dame to carry the offensive workload.

It seems like people forget that Khris seemed to pube out every third game in the playoffs even before his issues with injury.

[Beorn]

He's probably in the top-5 of my favorites players ever. I am afraid he's cooked. An athlete's body keeps up only for so long. I am 32 and well on my way in being cooked too, and the signs are there for both myself and Khris. I hope he isn't traded, purely based on sentimentality.

[engelmartin]

Does Khris cook? Or does he just order out every night?

[MiltownMadness]

We are about 9 months removed from watching Khris roast the Pacers. I don't think he's cooked. Definitely not as a third option.

and

He's just not someone we can rely on to be a primary offensive weapon on a consistent basis anymore

feel incongruent to me, though. If we can't rely on him to be a primary offensive weapon on a consistent basis, it feels to me like he is cooked as a third option to a championship team. We need him to be the player he is when he is able to show up - all the time.

We're also double-ankle surgery past 9 months ago. We have four playoff series to go through if we're winning another ring, and all of this is where and why it feels like he's cooked.

I don't see it as incongruent. Last year, Giannis missed the whole series and Dame missed games, too. That placed significantly greater offensive responsibility on Khris's shoulders, and he still rose to the occasion for the most part.

I shudder at the thought that he has to be our #1 or our #2. But as a third option the expectations are far less, especially in the postseason when rotations are shortened and he's unlikely to ever be on the court without either Giannis or Dame to carry the offensive workload.

It seems like people forget that Khris seemed to pube out every third game in the playoffs even before his issues with injury.

I thought he was playing some pretty damn good basketball for about 6-7 games before the recent duds, that's why Im pumping the brakes a bit here while also realizing his body isn't right, and likely never will be again. The team was very good with Khris on the floor for that stretch.

[MiltownMadness]

I'm still keeping Khris past the deadline over any of the gross options out there. I'll roll with our guy over certified poop, greedily I wish for him to retire a Buck no matter the circumstance but I think this is prob the best option for the team right now just to keep him and hope. Sucks but it is what it is

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

khris is basically FTD stackhouse and im not even kidding.

dont get me wrong that dude was the bomb that year but...

ive defended him forever and i was mega right. i waited and i waited but....hes cooked....and im right on this too. the poll looks like the vast majority are

id LOVE to have him if he was available after this current deal with numbers like ersans last deal. hopefully we get him back one day and he retires a buck and the crowd loves every minute of him those final games he feels a little juice for

[paulpressey25]

And yet people here insist that he's the asset in a trade.

Given the fact that he'll opt into the last year of the deal at $34 million, he would be a negative asset for most teams.

The only option of converting some value is in the parameters we've been discussing the last two weeks. Offsetting salary, where Middleton's deal isn't nearly as bad as the guy we're taking on.

Now none of this means he can't contribute to the Bucks the next 18-months. But he's going to be like how Sam Perkins or Kukoc ended their careers. Situational player when healthy.

[BigO]

And yet people here insist that he's the asset in a trade.

Given the fact that he'll opt into the last year of the deal at $34 million, he would be a negative asset for most teams.

The only option of converting some value is in the parameters we've been discussing the last two weeks. Offsetting salary, where Middleton's deal isn't nearly as bad as the guy we're taking on.

Now none of this means he can't contribute to the Bucks the next 18-months. But he's going to be like how Sam Perkins or Kukoc ended their careers. Situational player when healthy.

I voted that he isn't cooked, but none of us know for sure.

What I do know is that if I am right, then we still have a chance to win a championship.

And if he is cooked, then we are not getting anything back to help win a championship.

I'll take my chances with Khris.

[Baddy Chuck]

The last set of surgeries seems to have done him in. Huge Khris supporter/defender but the timeline after these ankle surgeries is hard to defend. Supposed to be back for the start of season, was no where close, and still earlier this month is still said to be playing through pain in his ankles and it shows. Love the dude, but if he can't get his body right he's not the #3 we need.

[aboveAverage]

No he’s not. He’s still a great player and is recovering from double ankle surgery. I believe he’ll turn it on in the playoffs. He’s got 1-2 more good years left in him. I would not trade him.

[blazza18]

His body and defence is for sure.

[fansinceforever]

No question about it.

[kanyon]

We have to wait for Giannis or Dame to pass the ball to him to see first.

[MissKhriddleton]

For some of us this has been evident for a long-time. Guy turns 34 in August. Most NBA players are cooked by then.

Yeah, the way his career is ending could not have played out more predictably. Still think if we would have gotten creative, even before 2021 (gasp!) we might have more than 1 championship. We’ll never know though, and I’m fine taking an L on that take and do love Khris for what he’s meant to this franchise.

[thonnisbeastley]

His body is well done. He hasn't been able to do anything to stay in basketall shape the last three years due to off season surgeries. Or has he ever done any off seasoning conditioning? I know for sure his ankles will never be100%. Basketball is the hardest sport on the legs.

He's never done any offseason conditioning. He always starts slow. Has never come into a season ready to go. Has always taken him at least 20-30 games to get going.

The only time Khris ever came into a season ready to go was when he spent the summer playing for Team USA. Other than that, nah. He's also had so many injuries though which have absolutely hampered his career. He was never the same after that hamstring injury in 2016. He was a top perimeter defender before that. Probably would have been a 6-10 time all-star and potential HOF if not for the injuries.

He's cooked as **** at this point though.

[Ryan5UW]

And yet people here insist that he's the asset in a trade.

I don't think we'd be able to trade him unless it's a scenario like Butler demanding a trade. The majority of his value as an asset is his contract in helping to facilitate the trade of other similar contracts.

[KidA24]

What is the percent chance we get last playoffs Khris in the playoffs?

I'm curious what you all think.

[paulpressey25]

What is the percent chance we get last playoffs Khris in the playoffs?

I'm curious what you all think.

30% chance he’s injured and doesn’t play
50% chance we get some meaningful contributions commensurate with a guy who is a 5-6th in your rotation
20% chance we get Indy playoffs Khris