My First Redd Trade Proposal

[LUKE23]

I've got LP now. Watch the Clips quite a bit and it's entirely because of Kamen. I watch the guy to see if I can see any similarities between he and Bogut. Maybe convince myself that Bogut to could make the leap.

There really isn't any comparison. Kamen's a top three center this season. He rebounds like a mad-man, has nice touch from mid-range in and moves well all around the court. He's taken 'the leap'.

This season, I agree. One season does not a player nor a career make. I will take a five season sample over a one season sample.

If he does this again next season we can talk.

[LUKE23]

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Yeah, and a 12/10 guy is a whole lot better than Corey Maggette, especially when he can get 'lucky' or however you think he is having this monster season and get you 18/14 with 3 blocks.

12/10 is better than a 20 ppg player who gets to the line at will while also grabbing over 6 boards and getting 3 assists?

Ok buddy....

No one is arguing Kaman's ONE SEASON. One season does not a career make. No one said anything about luck either, you need to learn how to read. Well, that might explain some things..

[europa]

I've got LP now. Watch the Clips quite a bit and it's entirely because of Kamen. I watch the guy to see if I can see any similarities between he and Bogut. Maybe convince myself that Bogut to could make the leap.

There really isn't any comparison. Kamen's a top three center this season. He rebounds like a mad-man, has nice touch from mid-range in and moves well all around the court. He's taken 'the leap'.

And if the Clippers are confident Kaman can maintain this production they may be more inclined to go in another direction should Brand make it clear he doesn't want to play there any longer. Redd gives them the big-time scoring threat to team with Kaman in the post and they can hope Villanueva reaches his potential as their new PF. If nothing else, having Villanueva and Tim Thomas on the same team certainly has some ... symmetry ... if nothing else.

Frankly, I think the deal is more problematic from the Bucks' point of view since it announces clearly the season is over; Brand may not even want to play for the team and Yi would have to adapt to SF. I think the risks are greater for the Bucks. The rewards are too, though, which is why I'd offer it.

[LUKE23]

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And if the Clippers are confident Kaman can maintain this production they may be more inclined to go in another direction should Brand make it clear he doesn't want to play there any longer. Redd gives them the big-time scoring threat to team with Kaman in the post and they can hope Villanueva reaches his potential as their new PF. If nothing else, having Villanueva and Tim Thomas on the same team certainly has some ... symmetry ... if nothing else.

They basically get the same scoring punch with Maggette though, and better rebounding. Maggette isn't a great defender by any means but he also has Redd beat there.

I just think there are teams willing to give up more for Brand even with the risk of losing him.

[ReasonablySober]

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This season, I agree. One season does not a player nor a career make. I will take a five season sample over a one season sample.

If he does this again next season we can talk.

He's not in a contact season and he's not some career journeyman. Watch him play a bit; he's for real.

[europa]

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They basically get the same scoring punch with Maggette though, and better rebounding. Maggette isn't a great defender by any means but he also has Redd beat there.

But you are under-rating how badly the Clippers want to trade Maggette. He hates Dunleavy and that's been a serious problem in the locker room for some time now. He has a player option for next season so they're likely stuck with him for another year. They want to deal him if they can get something of value back for him. This allows that to happen.

[LUKE23]

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He's not in a contact season and he's not some career journeyman. Watch him play a bit; he's for real.

I've seen him play plenty. I watch a ton of basketball. He's having a great season, no denying it. His rebounding going up is directly related to the Clippers having no PF/C of quality at all besides him. Now, getting 14 boards a game is still impressive, but with Brand in there he's not over 10. His scoring and shotblocking is impressive.

I will wait to see him back this season up with another before I am completely on the bandwagon though.

[LUKE23]

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But you are under-rating how badly the Clippers want to trade Maggette. He hates Dunleavy and that's been a serious problem in the locker room for some time now. He has a player option for next season so they're likely stuck with him for another year. They want to deal him if they can get something of value back for him. This allows that to happen.

I can see that, I just don't see a package with Brand involved there.

I would do Maggette/Knight/unprotected 2008 pick for Redd straight up, although I'm probably in the minority on that one. I don't even know if the Clippers do that.

[Comet]

This is a pretty good deal for both sides. Redd would give the Clippers the perimeter shooting they need, plus they get a talented (albeit soft) PF in CV to replace Brand and a future first-rounder. As for us, we get an all-star PF in Brand, a first-rounder in a strong draft, and a guy who drives to the hoop and gets to the charity stripe on a consistent basis in Maggette. Plus, we split Mo and Mike and get rid of Gadzuric's contract.

There's just one problem. In fact a big problem. If we did this deal, Yi would be playing SF, which isn't a good idea. He's too long, too rangy, and frankly just isn't a good fit for the wing. Now we could deal Yi but that would be just plain stupid. We could deal Bogut, but he has a lot of potential, and neither Brand nor Yi should be playing center. Brand is undersized for center and is WAY better off at PF, and Yi is a bit soft for center.

I wouldn't do this trade.

[WRau1]

If you took Maggettes first 5 years against Kamans, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a GM that would take CM over the Caveman...

[LUKE23]

I think we could live with the concern of where to play Yi if we ended up landing Brand. The bottom line is we would own the glass and block a lot of shots in the East with a Brand/Bogut tandem.

I just don't see a Brand/Maggette trade pairing as very feasible.

[WRau1]

I don't know if the Clippers do that trade, but I think CV would be a perfect compliment for Caveman. I also think that if we were to play Yi at the 3, Brand is one of the only PF's in the L that I think we could play next to Bogut to allow that.

I'd do Redd/CV for Brand/Ross. Ross is a hell of a defender who I think would fit well in an offense heavy lineup of Mo/Ross/Yi/Brand/Bogut.

[LUKE23]

I don't know if the Clippers do that trade, but I think CV would be a perfect compliment for Caveman. I also think that if we were to play Yi at the 3, Brand is one of the only PF's in the L that I think we could play next to Bogut to allow that.

I'd do Redd/CV for Brand/Ross. Ross is a hell of a defender who I think would fit well in an offense heavy lineup of Mo/Ross/Yi/Brand/Bogut.

I like that lineup quite a bit, but I'd probably ask for the Clippers pick, probably with protection (maybe top 5), just because if Brand walks we gave up Redd and CV for basically nothing.

Unless you're looking this from a purely contractual point of view and you want to drop Redd's salary, but that's a lot to give up for 1/2 season of Brand.

I think it's either Maggette/Knight/1st for Redd

or

Redd/CV for Brand/1st

It really comes down to how scared the Clippers are of Brand opting out. If they figure he's going to for sure, then they are basically trading Donte Green or OJ Mayo for Redd and Villanueva.

From the Bucks standpoint, if you can get Brand to resign, great, if you can't at least you have most likely two lottery picks in one year to help the rebuilding process.

[Newz]

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12/10 is better than a 20 ppg player who gets to the line at will while also grabbing over 6 boards and getting 3 assists?

Ok buddy....

No one is arguing Kaman's ONE SEASON. One season does not a career make. No one said anything about luck either, you need to learn how to read. Well, that might explain some things..

If Maggette were that good, someone would have traded for him by now as the Clippers have been trying to ship him out for two years because he is far too selfish to play with another good player, his shot selection is awful.

Chris Kaman has been unbelievable this year. I don't even judge it from his stats, I have seen him play many times this season thus far and it has nothing to do with Brand being gone... It has everything to do with the fact his game has improved in every area. Sure when Brand returns his stats will drop, I don't think anyone would argue that... But he has still improved significantly as a player and is light years ahead of Maggette in both value and overall usefulness on the court.

[xTitan]

Kaman has come into his owm because of experience, talent, improved strength and most of all he is the guy on the blocks now, when Brand was there he was supporting player..............Kaman has been great, with the exception of the night Bogut outplayed him;)

[El Duderino]

If you took Maggettes first 5 years against Kamans, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a GM that would take CM over the Caveman...

Yep

Maybe just maybe, if a team was already set at center and had no SF, they MIGHT take Maggette over Kaman. Other than that, every other GM in the NBA would take Kaman over Maggette.

Bogut has no good rebounding PF next to him and he can't get near the numbers Kaman is putting up and there is no way i'd rather have Maggette over Bogut, much less Kaman.

As for the trade, no chance i could see the Clippers saying yes to this deal, especially them throwing in their lotto pick this season.

[WEFFPIM]

For someone who's not a fan of trade ideas, you sure managed to create a brutal one

[Nowak008]

I can tell this is your first one. You need practice.

[Sigra]

I can tell this is your first one. You need practice.

I just wanted to say something like that

This is like balboy trade idea. Dream scenario where our team win without any doubt. More practice for europa indeed

[upnorthfan]

Too funny.