Would you swap CV for Tyrus Thomas?

[bayrdbandit]

I'd make the trade just on the principle of more defense and a change of scenery......but if you think CV's bad, at least he can show up with 15/9 about every third game. TT hasn't shown an ability to do anything so far in 100+ games.

sing it sister.

[bayrdbandit]

but i still wouldn't make the trade.

[Mike X]

In the long term I dont know what trading CV for TT accomplishes. Im sure TT would, like CV, view himself as a starter and with Yi here that aint happening. If we want to trade CV trade him for whoever picks Nathan Jawai in the draft, he can play C and PF.

One player I think we should look at on the Bulls is Viktor Khryapa, he was developing very nicely till he was traded to the Bulls in the Aldridge deal. SF who does a bit of everything well and is an intelligent baller.

[fam3381]

I'd make the trade just on the principle of more defense and a change of scenery......but if you think CV's bad, at least he can show up with 15/9 about every third game. TT hasn't shown an ability to do anything so far in 100+ games.

In the first week of the season TT had a 21/12 game and a 19/14 game; since then he's been fairly MIA as his minutes have been spotty.

All season CV has had one double-digit rebound game and two games of 19 or more points (one 19-point game, one 20-point game). TT's inconsistent as hell, but his best performances this year have been better than what CV has done this year. I know TT's not going to give you the flashes of offensive brilliance that CV will, but the guy can play a bit.

And for all his inconsistency, TT actually has a higher PER than CV this year (13.84 vs. 13.42). And I'd bet that the defensive intangibles that PER misses would also come out in TT's favor.

[L&H_05]

Pax was considered a genius about 15 months ago... Now look at him..

You do that deal in a nano second...

[carmelbrownqueen]

Yeah I would probably do this deal if it was offered.

ETA: I would probably be a bit pensive about it because CV and TT are similar players when it comes to how hard they are willing to work to improve. However, I would still want to find someone to dump Simmons and Gadzuric on for a starting quality SF.

I like TT's defensive potential and athleticism.. Not sure that Coach K would want this deal because I'm sure hios good good friend has told him tons of stories about how lazy and unmotivated TT is.

[Badgerlander]

I actually think CV has more potential than TT, mostly because I think you can teach a player to be a decent defender but you can't teach them how to be a good shooter. I think CV has the potential offensively to be just as good as Rasheed. He just needs a good coach and strong veteran leadership. That said I think TT would be a great fit for this team. He can play offensively and defensively down in the box while Yi roams the perimeter, much like AK does for Utah from the 3 while Okur shoots treys.

[bayrdbandit]

we can't be making trades for the sake of changing the scenery or keeping things fresh - that's a step backward.

keeping the same lineup is a better option i think... build chemistry, get players used to one another, let the team grow and let players find their place on the team.

[L&H_05]

I actually think CV has more potential than TT, mostly because I think you can teach a player to be a decent defender but you can't teach them how to be a good shooter.

Defense is effort, and the mental understanding of the game...

Shooting is effort, and practice...

Both are obtainable with hard work...I see Thomas as a guy more willing to put in the effort as the careers progress..

[Sigra]

CV is basketball player who is bad at defense.

TT is athletic person without brain. Something like Gadzuric

I don't do this trade

[REDDzone]

After thinking more about it, I'm not sure I do this trade. I'd rather ship CV off for this 'starter' that Woeful was talking about.

I am sick of guys with motivational issues.

Not to mention, there has generally been a rule on realgm in regards to trade called "NO KNICKS!" I am quickly coming to the same conclusion regarding the Bulls.

Fights between players, fights between players/coaches, fired coaches, rookies peeing in public then resisting arrests, Noah's hair, where does it end?

And if Tyrus still has any value, why can't he get any PT on a team that is just as horrible as the Bucks.

No thanks.

[Chapter29]

Oh course. It's my bandwagon. I have been saying this trade since the beginning of the year.

Even better yet, I want to move Mo, CV and a 1st in a 3 team deal for Hinrich and TT.

TT cannot play SF. Are you guys kidding me?

[upnorthfan]

Two lazy, not smart players who have underperformed for their respective teams.


TT has crazy athleticism, a bad work ethic and a bad attitude.

Kind of sounds like CV except CV has not had run ins with the coaching staff.


Can TT play the small forward spot?

That would be the selling point for me. If he could play the 3 spot, I might be intrigued enough to pull the trigger.


I can't get a straight up swap to work in the checker, not sure what else would need to be added to make a trade work.

Whats the feeling here?

I have said no to every trade proposal involving CV, but I say yes to this one and it didn't take long to decide.

Interior defensive toughness with a trio of Bigs in Bogut, TT, and Yi would be fantastic.

[Buck You]

I wouldn't equate Tyrus Thomas with "toughness." Yes, he blocks shots, well the ones that are right by him that anyone could block, and gets put back slams, but he is no better than Stromile Swift. Tyrus is just younger with a smaller contract. He's basically a flashy and competent Gadzuric.

[WRau1]

CV is basketball player who is bad at defense.

TT is athletic person without brain. Something like Gadzuric

I don't do this trade

I agree with this. CV is a bball player, TT is just an athlete.

[MajorDad]

I would trade C v for TT, but I really don't know how much of an improvement TT's defense is over CV's. I do know CV can sort of also play SF, and sort of also play center. TT can play PF. i doubt he could ever pla y SF. he might be able t o play C. .

I would have thought at the position TT was drafted, he would be showing more by now.

[upnorthfan]

I wouldn't equate Tyrus Thomas with "toughness." Yes, he blocks shots, well the ones that are right by him that anyone could block, and gets put back slams, but he is no better than Stromile Swift. Tyrus is just younger with a smaller contract. He's basically a flashy and competent Gadzuric.

Of course most average players in this league look like Hall of Famers against Milwaukee many times, especially opposing guards (but that's for another thread).

If I knew you better and you mentioned Gadz and another player in the same sentence I would run for the hills and never look back. Similar to what I was screaming to do many summers ago when I screamed from the mountain tops NOT to sign Gadz because I said then he was a "gangly, clumsy, oaf". But that was already a thread.

In the "now" I like Thomas, but will give him a closer look see because of your mere mention of Danny G. Thanks allot!

[Buck You]

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Of course most average players in this league look like Hall of Famers against Milwaukee many times, especially opposing guards (but that for another thread).

If I knew you better and you mentioned Gadz and another player in the same sentence I would run for the hills and never look back. Similar to what I was screaming to do many summers ago when I screamed from the mountain tops NOT to sign Gadz because I said then he was a "gangly, clumsy oaf". But that was already a thread.

In hte "now" I like Thomas, but will give him a closer look see because of your mere mention of Danny G. Thanks allot!

I usually don't mention Gadzuric in any sentence involving basketball because, well, he is not a basketball player. He also should be arrested for robbery for robbing the Bucks' organization and the fans. Also, indecent exposure because, I'm pretty sure what he does on the court with the basketball would scare many children and adults alike. Tyrus Thomas is better than Gadzuric because, well, who isn't? But, he's still not very good, he's just an athlete.

Edit: Sorry Vilentho and Dutchmandanfan if I offended you with this post.

[Ayt]

In a second.

Many of you are really underrating how good Thomas can be defensively. He needs to get the hell out of Chicago (as strange as that sounds to me now).

[LUKE23]

Yep.

I'd start him at small forward right now and live with whatever offensive deficiencies he brought. We'd block probably the most combined frontcourt shots in the league.