Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

JustinCredible · Post #201 » by **JustinCredible** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:02 pm

Rendei wrote:If Jordan goes to Dallas then I really like the Bucks chances of landing Chandler. Even if it seems like a pretty short term solution.

I like Koufos and Ajinca and O'Quinn, but I'm not convinced that those are the guys you want to invest in to be your #1 center. Giannis wants a top flight big man, not a guy who'd be a role
player on half the teams in the league.

If Jordan goes to Dallas it will likely be in a double sign and trade sending Chandler to the Clippers.

Xanadu · Post #202 » by **Xanadu** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:12 pm

El Duderino wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
Seriously though I think this is just Kidd saying he likes a guy and tells Hammond go get him. As far as Vaughn I want to think it was just BPA on Hammond's board but a small paranoid part of me says its Kidd hooking up another of his agents clients. OK maybe that part isn't so small. God Kidd with absolute power scares the **** out of me.

I'm just as scared as many here are of Kidd getting to much power in roster building.

That said, i just have a hard time buying into the favor to his agent angle with our draft pick and even more so if a big contract is handed out to a free agent who also happens to be a client of Schwartz.

For the Bucks to eventually reach the legit contender status which Kidd clearly wants, he's going to need the talent on the court to get that far. Being a former player on good teams himself, Kidd knows this. So i just have a hard time believing that he's out there deciding that doing a favor for his agent was of high importance on who the Bucks would choose in the first round, instead of who he and the rest of the staff had highest on their board.

Like how exactly would that work out. Everyone from Kidd, Hammond, all of the scouts, and the analytics staff put together their draft board after countless hours of work and then the Bucks get on the clock. There are say 2-3 players rated above Vaughn, but Kidd jumps in and says hey sorry everyone, gotta do a favor for my agent so the pick is going to have be Vaughn? Or was he super cagey about making sure his agent's client was picked, regardless of whether Vaughn was rated highest?

Then once free agency opens. Kidd is going to talk with Schwartz and ask him, hey which of your centers needs help most with a big multi-year offer, even if that center may not be the best fit and that a major signing like that would have huge implication for years going forward as to whether Kidd will be able to win as much as he badly wants to? But at least Kidd will have helped his buddy agent.

I know it seems ridiculous but Kidd has shown a preference to go after players he has knowledge of either through his playing days or his agent. Just don't trust Kidd's scouting ability often great players are not great talent evaluators. Maybe Hammond had players rated above Vaughn but it was close but because Kidd had his agent in his ear about how great Vaughn could be Kidd decided he wanted him. Again not saying this is the case but its just worrisome is all. Probably just me being paranoid.

Rendei · Post #203 » by **Rendei** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:17 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
Rendei wrote:If Jordan goes to Dallas then I really like the Bucks chances of landing Chandler. Even if it seems like a pretty short term solution.

I like Koufos and Ajinca and O'Quinn, but I'm not convinced that those are the guys you want to invest in to be your #1 center. Giannis wants a top flight big man, not a guy who'd be a role
player on half the teams in the league.

If Jordan goes to Dallas it will likely be in a double sign and trade sending Chandler to the Clippers.

Why? Is there any indication that Chandler wants to go to the Clippers? Not that I deny the possibility. It just feels like people are running away with an idea that Tyson hasn't said one word about.

El Duderino · Post #204 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:26 pm

Xanadu wrote:
El Duderino wrote:
I'm just as scared as many here are of Kidd getting to much power in roster building.

That said, i just have a hard time buying into the favor to his agent angle with our draft pick and even more so if a big contract is handed out to a free agent who also happens to be a client of Schwartz.

For the Bucks to eventually reach the legit contender status which Kidd clearly wants, he's going to need the talent on the court to get that far. Being a former player on good teams himself, Kidd knows this. So i just have a hard time believing that he's out there deciding that doing a favor for his agent was of high importance on who the Bucks would choose in the first round, instead of who he and the rest of the staff had highest on their board.

Like how exactly would that work out. Everyone from Kidd, Hammond, all of the scouts, and the analytics staff put together their draft board after countless hours of work and then the Bucks get on the clock. There are say 2-3 players rated above Vaughn, but Kidd jumps in and says hey sorry everyone, gotta do a favor for my agent so the pick is going to have be Vaughn? Or was he super cagey about making sure his agent's client was picked, regardless of whether Vaughn was rated highest?

Then once free agency opens. Kidd is going to talk with Schwartz and ask him, hey which of your centers needs help most with a big multi-year offer, even if that center may not be the best fit and that a major signing like that would have huge implication for years going forward as to whether Kidd will be able to win as much as he badly wants to? But at least Kidd will have helped his buddy agent.

I know it seems ridiculous but Kidd has shown a preference to go after players he has knowledge of either through his playing days or his agent. Just don't trust Kidd's scouting ability often great players are not great talent evaluators. Maybe Hammond had players rated above Vaughn but it was close but because Kidd had his agent in his ear about how great Vaughn could be Kidd decided he wanted him. Again not saying this is the case but its just worrisome is all. Probably just me being paranoid.

Hey, i also worry a lot about the Bucks being in a position where Kidd is both coach and quasi-GM, even if not named in that role. That said, i just question the narrative of Kidd making very important decisions based on helping out his agent more than what's best for the team given he won't win big if the talent needed isn't acquired.

machu46 · Post #205 » by **machu46** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:26 pm

TroyD92 wrote:Monroe would be my choice as long as the offer is in the Robin Lopez territory.

I promise you he'll get more than Robin Lopez

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Max Green · Post #206 » by **Max Green** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:40 pm

og15 wrote:If a sign and trade for Jordan becomes the situation, what would the Bucks want to send back to the Clippers? Pachulia? Henson?

You can have one of Zaza/Henson and Bayless/Mayo.

drew881 · Post #207 » by **drew881** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:47 pm

I want to see Zaza go to the Clippers, just because it would absolutely kill the "Lob City" nickname.

Prince12 · Post #208 » by **Prince12** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:50 pm

drew881 wrote:I want to see Zaza go to the Clippers, just because it would absolutely kill the "Lob City" nickname.

Every now and then Zaza forgot who he was this year and tried to rise up, only to be rejected by the rim hard.
Would love to see the first time cp3 tried a lob.

rarjake · Post #209 » by **rarjake** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:30 pm

honestly i will be happy if we get any center in here, to start over zaza. Hibbert, Jordan, Lopez, Chandler, all are huge upgrades. Obv. Lopez will be huge for our offense, and Jordan is one of the best defensive players in the game. Would love to see Henson and Jordan comob.

raferfenix · Post #210 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:50 pm

We still don't have that 4/5 who can shoot that we were supposedly targeting in the draft.

Koufos or Greg Monroe might fit for us there since either could play alongside Henson.

If we get Chandler though we could use another 4.

M-C-G · Post #211 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:22 am

NBA Rumors retweeted
Dwain Price ‏@DwainPrice 3h3 hours ago
A free agent, Tyson Chandler said he's humbled that ex-teammate Jason Kidd -- now the Milwaukee coach -- wants him to play for the #Bucks.

LUKE23 · Post #212 » by **LUKE23** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:28 am

I think Chandler is who we end up with. Even Gardner mentioned him in his theoretical starting lineup in one of the latest blogs. Then you have the Kidd/Schwartz connection. I have a lot of reservations on Tyson; age, contract, and amount of games he misses primarily. Admittedly, if he's right, we'd probably be the top defensive team in the league and he'd be a very good chemistry/locker room guy.

drew881 · Post #213 » by **drew881** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:36 am

probably way too early to talk about it, but what win/loss do we expect with this lineup:

MCW/Vasquez/Ennis
Middleton/Mayo/Vaughn
Giannis/Dudley
Parker/Inglis
Chandler/Henson/Plumlee

I'll go 44 wins but I think a lot of people on here will venture higher.

Baddy Chuck · Post #214 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:36 am

Chandler would be pretty whatever. 2 year deal would make me feel a lot better about it.

worthlessBucks · Post #215 » by **worthlessBucks** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:39 am

We could be looking for like, the next Chandler and stuff.

LUKE23 · Post #216 » by **LUKE23** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:44 am

Yeah, he also doesn't help the spacing issue. Still only have one major three point threat in the starting five. D would be really damn good, and rebounding would be a lot better (Chandler had highest rebounding rate of career last year).

Shaffty · Post #217 » by **Shaffty** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:47 am

LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, he also doesn't help the spacing issue. Still only have one major three point threat in the starting five. D would be really damn good, and rebounding would be a lot better (Chandler had highest rebounding rate of career last year).

Giannis and Jabari improving is the only thing that fixes our spacing issue in the starting 5.

Like everyone needs to understand that. Maybe finding a 3 point specialist for the PG postition but right now the Bucks plan is that Giannis/Jabari and to a lesser extent MCW. Learn how to shoot better. Otherwise blow it up

Crunky · Post #218 » by **Crunky** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:08 am

If biyombo can be had for cheap wouldn't be bad athletic center shotblocker maybe taking a flyer on javale McGee would put us in a better position to win more games. So if we strike out on the big name free agent centers we still have options. Also ajinca may get overlooked 7ft2 center we have options that's always good.

Aaron It Out · Post #219 » by **Aaron It Out** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:16 am

I would love Chandler on this team. Hell, I loved Kenyon Martin on this team. I would love a good locker room vet big man that actually brings something to the basketball court. I would normally be against a guy like Chandler with this team but he was in great shape last season and it would be 3 years tops at less than max money.

We have enough expendable players that we can free up a bunch of cap space. I'd have to imagine we can move Mayo and Pachulia and clear up at least some of their $13m combined salaries this season. It's not even really the end of the world if they aren't able to.

SkilesTheLimit · Post #220 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:17 am

I'd be down with Chandler. Much prefer a modest 2-3 year deal for him vs. overpaying the likes of a Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, or DeAndre Jordan.