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[Baddy Chuck]

How does a guy that has played only 31 games on extremely high usage was dominant with:

20 points,7.8 reb,2.1 ast,0.9stls,2.5 blks and 3,8 TOV in 25 minutes average ?

Uhhhhhh,, you just answered your question?

Here's a list of guys to put up similar stats ever.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&force%3Apos_is=1&c1stat=pts_per_mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=28&c2stat=trb_per_mp&c2comp=gt&c2val=11&c3stat=mp_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=20&c6mult=1.0&order_by=ws

Here's a list of rookies to do it:
Joel Embiid.

[Magic Giannison]

MG showing us the reddit comments from "outside fans" again?

I guess you missed the part where the person accusing me for fake account apologized to me? Unlike Millbuck ofc who never apologized for it even if he was proven wrong.

The reddit is there btw, you can make effort and read it, there is life outside RealGM

[Prez]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that league wasn't heels and above in terms of hype before he even was drafted?
The guy was drafted 3rd while being injured in a draft that was suppose to be one of the best in last 10 years?

Go ahead and take a wild guess as to why a guy who started playing organized basketball at 16 had that much hype behind him.

HE started at 15, had Mbah a Moute as mentor, played HS baskebtall and College. Thats far more time in training than Giannis ever got.

I can tell you why, Tall and talented guy that got extremely overhyped . Same like many other suppose to be superstars ha din the past.

Remember OJ mayo hype?
Remmeber Greg Oden
magic Randolph ?
Lamar odom ?
Wiggins Canadian Lebron hype ?

Oden was a generational center prospect who was ruined by injuries. None of those other guys were even close to Embiid's talent level. And Embiid has actually validated every bit of hype he got when he was on court this year... Bringing up guys like Mayo and Randolph is so damn stupid I question if you've ever even seen Embiid play.

[hege53190]

I love other teams playing chess while the Bucks play checkers.

And lately the Bucks latest moves aren't even checkers. It is more like giving a blind kid a stick telling him to stand in the corner and hit the wall.

But when you have been **** all over yourself for the better part of 3 years you really need to promote the intern to your highest **** office because he has been so instrumental to you **** all over yourself for the better part of the last 3 years.

Let's wait before we judge.
The bucks are n a very good position now. They have no significant bad contracts(teletovic is on a 10mil and henson on a 11mil---i don't consider monroe's contract a bad contract any more). Delly is also on a 10mil contract.
If you manage to not overpay snell and just draft one more decent guy(not even very good--just decent PG) the only thing that you really need is ilyasova back(there i said it) instead of teletovic to cover for jabari.

What? No. This is all wrong.

Henson, Delly, and Telly are all signed to 10+ million a year contracts for the next 2-3 years and none of them should be on the floor in a playoff game. How can you say the Bucks have no bad contracts? We are about to pay Snell who had a sub 10 PER for the majority of the past 4 years $15 million a year.

We are about to have half our cap tied up into players that should not be on the floor during a playoff game. But we don't have any bad contracts.

Plus our ownership group that couldn't even properly hire a GM are now running the show.

Which part of this doesn't concern you? This organization has been a **** show going on 15 years but we are supposed to sit back and wait before we judge.

[Magic Giannison]

How does a guy that has played only 31 games on extremely high usage was dominant with:

20 points,7.8 reb,2.1 ast,0.9stls,2.5 blks and 3,8 TOV in 25 minutes average ?

Uhhhhhh,, you just answered your question?

Here's a list of guys to put up similar stats ever.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&force%3Apos_is=1&c1stat=pts_per_mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=28&c2stat=trb_per_mp&c2comp=gt&c2val=11&c3stat=mp_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=20&c6mult=1.0&order_by=ws

Here's a list of rookies to do it:
Joel Embiid.

Are you serious ignored the GAMES played ? What the heck re you showing me ?
The game sample is ridiculously low to remotely bring that as comparison unless you think that Bob Rule is Kareem and Shaq because of 4 games ?

Do you want me to nitpick as well how many stats Giannis put this year that nobody ever did ?

[blazza18]

Remind me his shooting % during playoffs, " where it matters" were ? 40% from 3with 54 % FG %?

Ah the solid 6 game sample size. The series where he didn't want to shoot the three that ended our season

Should've used his month of December numbers instead.

Are you sure you want to use the december numbers in particular? Because his december was not good for his shooting but was good enough to get him into early MVP discussion---1st in PER in the league).

25/9/6 shooting 55/36/79 not good enough for you?

We're all stoked having Giannis. We just think Embiid if healthy is right there with him.

[Baddy Chuck]

Do you want me to nitpick as well how many stats Giannis put this year that nobody ever did ?

Nah, because I think they show that he's an insanely good player, much like I think Embiids stats show that he's an insanely good player.

[3Diamantidis]

Ah the solid 6 game sample size. The series where he didn't want to shoot the three that ended our season

Should've used his month of December numbers instead.

Are you sure you want to use the december numbers in particular? Because his december was not good for his shooting but was good enough to get him into early MVP discussion---1st in PER in the league).

25/9/6 shooting 55/36/79 not good enough for you?

We're all stoked having Giannis. We just think Embiid if healthy is right there with him.

Leave aside the "we". You are talking for yourself. And i speak for myself.
I read everybody's thoughts and i get what they are saying but you are the only one that seems to have constant issues with Giannis the whole season and i can't get why.
"Right there with him" is one thing. Being better than Giannis is another thing.
For the record i have no problem with anyone picking embiid over giannis(and i will post it every time). It is a preference. I prefer Giannis but i will never downgrade embiid to make him look worse.

You seem to be hironic at times("how many superstar giannis has won".....really now?) and you are saying you are stoked?

[freewhitemoon]

MG showing us the reddit comments from "outside fans" again?

I guess you missed the part where the person accusing me for fake account apologized to me? Unlike Millbuck ofc who never apologized for it even if he was proven wrong.

i dont recall him being proven wrong

[Magic Giannison]

Go ahead and take a wild guess as to why a guy who started playing organized basketball at 16 had that much hype behind him.

HE started at 15, had Mbah a Moute as mentor, played HS baskebtall and College. Thats far more time in training than Giannis ever got.

I can tell you why, Tall and talented guy that got extremely overhyped . Same like many other suppose to be superstars ha din the past.

Remember OJ mayo hype?
Remmeber Greg Oden
magic Randolph ?
Lamar odom ?
Wiggins Canadian Lebron hype ?

Oden was a generational center prospect who was ruined by injuries. None of those other guys were even close to Embiid's talent level.... Bringing up guys like Mayo and Randolph is so damn stupid I question if you've ever even seen Embiid play.

What?
Oden was a generational prospect in hype alone which never translated into production due to injuries that doesnt mean he was remotely close to how people portrayed him.
I brought Mayo as he was extremely hyped compared to what he produced.

[Magic Giannison]

MG showing us the reddit comments from "outside fans" again?

I guess you missed the part where the person accusing me for fake account apologized to me? Unlike Millbuck ofc who never apologized for it even if he was proven wrong.

i dont recall him being proven wrong

You'r memory is selective i guess, because he quote random comments that had months in between them in difference so nitpicked them.

heck the guy on that account had comments on same game thread as me .

[Magic Giannison]

Do you want me to nitpick as well how many stats Giannis put this year that nobody ever did ?

Nah, because I think they show that he's an insanely good player, much like I think Embiids stats show that he's an insanely good player.

Compare this for exmaple

Read on Twitter

To a 31 game sample of Embiid and you can tell me how Embiid is close.

Giannis was the 5th player to ever lead the teams in all stats.
Giannis is the only player to be in TOP 20 in all major categories, stuff that neither MJ, Hakeem and Lebron hasn't done but Embiid is on par with this guy just.... because of 31 games that show him nowhere near close Giannis whole season ?

[Baddy Chuck]

HE started at 15, had Mbah a Moute as mentor, played HS baskebtall and College. Thats far more time in training than Giannis ever got.

I can tell you why, Tall and talented guy that got extremely overhyped . Same like many other suppose to be superstars ha din the past.

Remember OJ mayo hype?
Remmeber Greg Oden
magic Randolph ?
Lamar odom ?
Wiggins Canadian Lebron hype ?

Oden was a generational center prospect who was ruined by injuries. None of those other guys were even close to Embiid's talent level.... Bringing up guys like Mayo and Randolph is so damn stupid I question if you've ever even seen Embiid play.

What?
Oden was a generational prospect in hype alone which never translated into production due to injuries that doesnt mean he was remotely close to how people portrayed him.
I brought Mayo as he was extremely hyped compared to what he produced.

The one thing, and it's a pretty big thing, that you're completely omitting is the fact that Embiid DID produce at a generational rate, unlike the other guys who were only hype.

[blazza18]

Are you sure you want to use the december numbers in particular? Because his december was not good for his shooting but was good enough to get him into early MVP discussion---1st in PER in the league).

25/9/6 shooting 55/36/79 not good enough for you?

We're all stoked having Giannis. We just think Embiid if healthy is right there with him.

Leave aside the "we". You are talking for yourself. And i speak for myself.
I read everybody's thoughts and i get what they are saying but you are the only one that seems to have constant issues with Giannis the whole season and i can't get why.
"Right there with him" is one thing. Being better than Giannis is another thing.
For the record i have no problem with anyone picking embiid over giannis(and i will post it every time). It is a preference. I prefer Giannis but i will never downgrade embiid to make him look worse.

You seem to be hironic at times("how many superstar giannis has won".....really now?) and you are saying you are stoked?

Uhmmm ok....

Giannis had a very good season but tailed off impact wise as the season went on. His numbers were still very impressive and he deserves to be amoung the games elite
because of it.

Some of the things I say is very tongue in cheek btw.

[Magic Giannison]

Read on Twitter

In case you missed it.

[Baddy Chuck]

Do you want me to nitpick as well how many stats Giannis put this year that nobody ever did ?

Nah, because I think they show that he's an insanely good player, much like I think Embiids stats show that he's an insanely good player.

Compare this for exmaple

Read on Twitter

To a 31 game sample of Embiid and you can tell me how Embiid is close.

Giannis was the 5th player to ever lead the teams in all stats.
Giannis is the only player to be in TOP 20 in all major categories, stuff that neither MJ, Hakeem and Lebron hasn't done but Embiid is on par with this guy just.... because of 31 games that show him nowhere near close Giannis whole season ?

I mean it's cool that you want to get caught up on 31 games, but even with just a 31 game sample you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that wasn't a generational guy putting up the numbers that Embiid did.

[Magic Giannison]

25/9/6 shooting 55/36/79 not good enough for you?

We're all stoked having Giannis. We just think Embiid if healthy is right there with him.

Leave aside the "we". You are talking for yourself. And i speak for myself.
I read everybody's thoughts and i get what they are saying but you are the only one that seems to have constant issues with Giannis the whole season and i can't get why.
"Right there with him" is one thing. Being better than Giannis is another thing.
For the record i have no problem with anyone picking embiid over giannis(and i will post it every time). It is a preference. I prefer Giannis but i will never downgrade embiid to make him look worse.

You seem to be hironic at times("how many superstar giannis has won".....really now?) and you are saying you are stoked?

Uhmmm ok....

Giannis had a very good season but tailed off impact wise as the season went on. His numbers were still very impressive and he deserves to be amoung the games elite because of it.

How does a players impact tallied off when he kept the exact same numbers as his season averages?
Please dont tell me the RAPM because il start laughing.

[Prez]

HE started at 15, had Mbah a Moute as mentor, played HS baskebtall and College. Thats far more time in training than Giannis ever got.

I can tell you why, Tall and talented guy that got extremely overhyped . Same like many other suppose to be superstars ha din the past.

Remember OJ mayo hype?
Remmeber Greg Oden
magic Randolph ?
Lamar odom ?
Wiggins Canadian Lebron hype ?

Oden was a generational center prospect who was ruined by injuries. None of those other guys were even close to Embiid's talent level.... Bringing up guys like Mayo and Randolph is so damn stupid I question if you've ever even seen Embiid play.

What?
Oden was a generational prospect in hype alone which never translated into production due to injuries that doesnt mean he was remotely close to how people portrayed him.
I brought Mayo as he was extremely hyped compared to what he produced.

Embiid started playing basketball later than Giannis and is an international prospect as well. He EARNED every bit of hype he ever got and is validating every bit of now. You're acting like it's media created and not his talent alone that got him hype and it's just hilarious. Embiid deserved every bit of hype he got because he played like it. This just further makes me believe you've never actually watched Embiid play in college or this year.

[3Diamantidis]

Do you want me to nitpick as well how many stats Giannis put this year that nobody ever did ?

Nah, because I think they show that he's an insanely good player, much like I think Embiids stats show that he's an insanely good player.

Compare this for exmaple

Read on Twitter

To a 31 game sample of Embiid and you can tell me how Embiid is close.

Giannis was the 5th player to ever lead the teams in all stats.
Giannis is the only player to be in TOP 20 in all major categories, stuff that neither MJ, Hakeem and Lebron hasn't done but Embiid is on par with this guy just.... because of 31 games that show him nowhere near close Giannis whole season ?

From what i read the problem seems to be that you are downgrading embiid to favor Giannis. And that is wrong.
Have your preference without trying to downgrade the guy. He's amazing just like giannis(although i still prefer Jokic )

[Magic Giannison]

Nah, because I think they show that he's an insanely good player, much like I think Embiids stats show that he's an insanely good player.

Compare this for exmaple

Read on Twitter

To a 31 game sample of Embiid and you can tell me how Embiid is close.

Giannis was the 5th player to ever lead the teams in all stats.
Giannis is the only player to be in TOP 20 in all major categories, stuff that neither MJ, Hakeem and Lebron hasn't done but Embiid is on par with this guy just.... because of 31 games that show him nowhere near close Giannis whole season ?

I mean it's cool that you want to get caught up on 31 games, but even with just a 31 game sample you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that wasn't a generational guy putting up the numbers that Embiid did.

My friend, he had only 31 games in EXTREMELY high usage and only 25 minutes and even then his stats aren't that crazy .
You linked me per 36 which inflate his stats crazily because there no way embiid with 10 more minutes average could keep that up. You know well that per 36 inflate a lot of stats for the guys playing much less minutes.
25 minutes doesnt remotely translates as same with 36, thats 11 more minutes average per game, thats huge.