Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[LuessiT]

Looks like Troy Brown Jr. is available from the Wizards.

This could be that "junk for junk" we're looking for. Brown on the ball would be an interesting look in lineups with Jrue to give him some freedom. And at his age he could still really blossom.

Not watching much Wizards cause I'd rather stick a needle in my forehead but Brown had a pretty good stretch last year.

[DingleJerry]

I could get behind a guy like that. We're going to have to get lucky on a guy like that at some point. Someone who's underachieved, late pick, late bloomer, etc.

[Lippo]

Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

[crowhead76]

Tony Brown Jr and Alex Len for DJW, Craig and a 2nd. Frees up 1.1 million.

I actually really like this move if possible. TBJ is only 21 and he would be in a great situation to grow behind Midds. He could also replace Pat in our closing lineup as his length would help defensively and he is another ball handler with size. Len allows you to move more of Portis' minutes to the 4. Pat can also move to the 2 and they can use Forbes in more specific lineups, ones without DJA on the floor.

[skones]

I have a question. Can the Bucks do a garbage for garbage trade just to get a little more under the hard cap, so they can at least be able to sign someone off the waivers?

Definitely. That's by far the most likely scenario too IMO. Keep in mind that the difference in salary will be prorated, as will the vet min salary they use on a buyout candidate, so it's not as simple as looking at the total difference in salary of the traded players.

I don't believe the difference in salary is prorated given the way the hardcap itself works. Dealing a 4.5 million dollar deal for a 4 million dollar deal, puts us 500,000 more dollars below the hard cap just as it would lower the overall cap number. When guys are dealt for, their cap number does not become the number based on games left, it is the salary slot. The minimum given to any buyouts IS pro-rated, but not the space it creates beneath the hardcap.

[M-C-G]

Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

I feel like this is pretty good, but no idea how any of the Dallas guys are valued. Also if we did this, would need to move DJA for something else to fit the roster.

[raferfenix]

Sounds like the price for PJ Tucker is going down.

Houston Rockets forward P.J. Tucker decided not to play on Thursday night and is not expected to return to the team, coach Stephen Silas said.

Tucker has grown increasingly frustrated that he has yet to be moved to a contender and made it clear that he'd prefer to sit out games until the front office finds a deal for him ahead of the March 25 trade deadline, sources told ESPN.

"We're going to try to figure out something that works for him and works for us as far as him not being on the team anymore," Silas said after the injury-ravaged Rockets' 125-105 loss to the Sacramento Kings extended Houston's losing streak to 14 games. "I was under the assumption that he was going to be playing tonight, and he didn't play. That was disappointing, but there's no secret that it's been a rough year."

The Rockets have had several concurrent trade discussions with teams in recent weeks involving Tucker, talks that are expected to result in a deal for Tucker prior to the March 25 trade deadline, sources said.

The Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Brooklyn Nets are among teams that have discussed possible deals with the Rockets in recent weeks, sources said.

So far, the Rockets' preference for a young, productive rotation player in trade talks has been a sticking point with teams, which haven't been willing to part with that kind of an asset for a 35-year-old on an expiring contract, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31048425/pj-tucker-frustrated-traded-return-houston-rockets-uncertain

[coolhandluke121]

I have a question. Can the Bucks do a garbage for garbage trade just to get a little more under the hard cap, so they can at least be able to sign someone off the waivers?

Definitely. That's by far the most likely scenario too IMO. Keep in mind that the difference in salary will be prorated, as will the vet min salary they use on a buyout candidate, so it's not as simple as looking at the total difference in salary of the traded players.

I don't believe the difference in salary is prorated given the way the hardcap itself works. Dealing a 4.5 million dollar deal for a 4 million dollar deal, puts us 500,000 more dollars below the hard cap just as it would lower the overall cap number. When guys are dealt for, their cap number does not become the number based on games left, it is the salary slot. The minimum given to any buyouts IS pro-rated, but not the space it creates beneath the hardcap.

Interesting. That might be true. I'm mildly surprised if it is though. I feel like I remember a few teams making last-minute trades just to avoid the luxury tax and there was something about the salary being prorated, but that could be something else. Clearly the team trading a player away has been the one paying him all along, but if they do it this way, I'm sure they have reasons.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

an argument could be made that were giving up the two best players in the deal here

[M-C-G]

Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

an argument could be made that were giving up the two best players in the deal here

I haven't watched hardly any bball this year, has Kristaps completely fallen off a cliff? I don't think Brook is bad, but he seems like he is not able to defend the rim as well as he did two years ago.

Just for fun;

NYK: DJA
HOU: Wilson, Ntilikina
DAL: Middleton, Lopez
MKE: Kristaps, Richardson, Burke, PJ Tucker, Finney Smith (no idea if this guy is any good, but thought I have seen his name thrown around before)

PG: DDV, Burke
SG: Jrue, Forbes
SF: Richardson, Pat
PF: Giannis, Tucker, Finney
C: Kristaps, Portis

Seems like a deeper team, but I gotta stress, I hardly have watched any games other than Bucks the last couple of years and now this year, I only get the national games.

And if value isn't right for the Bucks, maybe swap Burke for Brunson?

[DrWood]

A. Using the current Bucks roster and cap situation, build a championship team that has Donte starting as the shooting guard.

B. Now use the same situation, but you can trade Donte.

Which one was easier A or B?

This is a stupid question. One of the values DDV has is that he's young. So theoretically you could trade him for someone slightly better but older. And who might have one last flash of excellence before going in the tank.

This is a stupid answer.

It appears we finally understand each other!

[RiotPunch]

Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

an argument could be made that were giving up the two best players in the deal here

Not a strong argument.

[smauss]

Just say no to Porzingis. He's soft, weak, lousy defender, and has no heart IMHO. He can shoot, so a lot of folks here will love him.........

[fam3381]

I have a question. Can the Bucks do a garbage for garbage trade just to get a little more under the hard cap, so they can at least be able to sign someone off the waivers?

Definitely. That's by far the most likely scenario too IMO. Keep in mind that the difference in salary will be prorated, as will the vet min salary they use on a buyout candidate, so it's not as simple as looking at the total difference in salary of the traded players.

I don't believe the difference in salary is prorated given the way the hardcap itself works. Dealing a 4.5 million dollar deal for a 4 million dollar deal, puts us 500,000 more dollars below the hard cap just as it would lower the overall cap number. When guys are dealt for, their cap number does not become the number based on games left, it is the salary slot. The minimum given to any buyouts IS pro-rated, but not the space it creates beneath the hardcap.

Yeah, prorating comes into play when signing guys during the season (hence the Bucks could sign a guy 4/7 to a minimum deal but not now) and when waiving guys before guarantee dates/10-days, but in a nutshell the tax is based on the roster you have at the end of the season plus guys who were waived and whatever you owed them. Otherwise doing tax calcs and scenarios would be a nightmare.

[Baddy Chuck]

Just say no to Porzingis. He's soft, weak, lousy defender, and has no heart IMHO. He can shoot, so a lot of folks here will love him.........

This season aside, which he has been bad, he's been a downright amazing defender.

[smauss]

Just say no to Porzingis. He's soft, weak, lousy defender, and has no heart IMHO. He can shoot, so a lot of folks here will love him.........

This season aside, which he has been bad, he's been a downright amazing defender.

Honestly, I've been considering this year Baddy, but it would be difficult for me to buy into his defense with being so weak and heartless. But ok, I'll take away "lousy defender" and add "injury prone." Is that to your liking?

[Baddy Chuck]

Just say no to Porzingis. He's soft, weak, lousy defender, and has no heart IMHO. He can shoot, so a lot of folks here will love him.........

This season aside, which he has been bad, he's been a downright amazing defender.

Honestly, I've been considering this year Baddy, but it would be difficult for me to buy into his defense with being so weak and heartless. But ok, I'll take away "lousy defender" and add "injury prone." Is that to your liking?

Sure he's certainly got that tag. Not even mad calling him a bad defender, because right now he just is, but just pointing out how even as soon as last season he was honestly a really good defender.

I'm not sure what I think of Porzingis. You could twist my arm to get me to do some sort of deal based around Midds but I'm not sure how confident I'd feel about it. The potential of a Giannis/Porzingis frontcourt is honestly ridiculous though but it would be a giant gamble.

[Siefer]

Just to be clear, we're trading the best player (by a significant margin) in a Midds/Porzingis deal.

[skones]

Just say no to Porzingis. He's soft, weak, lousy defender, and has no heart IMHO. He can shoot, so a lot of folks here will love him.........

This season aside, which he has been bad, he's been a downright amazing defender.

Honestly, I've been considering this year Baddy, but it would be difficult for me to buy into his defense with being so weak and heartless. But ok, I'll take away "lousy defender" and add "injury prone." Is that to your liking?

"Injury prone" is the reason he's available at a lower cost. There are a ton of stars that were once considered "injury prone." Hell, we have one on our own team in Jrue Holiday who nobody wanted to touch during the 15-16 campaign while I advocated at times for a buy low. Curry, Embiid, Kawhi, Beal, Anthony Davis, etc. are all guys who've had the injury prone tag on them at some point in their careers. As a general philosophy, particularly as a small-market team. Good players with the "injury prone" tag should be viewed as home run swings for us rather than an avoid at all costs situation.

A long term Porzingis Giannis pairing makes me drool a bit, but Middleton would be a no-fly zone at least for the rest of this year. If we fail again in the postseason, and I think we will, I'd be looking at moves that I once considered non-starters in an attempt to overhaul and put together another core that won't expire as quickly as the current one.

[Prez]

Porzingis would be a cool gamble but I’m not giving up Khris for him.