Jrue Agrees to 4/135-160 Extension

[Daver]

That's a lot of money. Had to pay the man. Now for the easy part (waiting out the rest of the year and see if this team is championship material). The hard part comes in the offseason if you don't make the Finals. We're now firmly in the "how long do you give this Big-3 run?" category of team-building/contention phase. My gut says you give them all of the next two postseasons to figure it out, but if we're sitting here in July 2022 without a championship to show for it, you gotta look for an out somewhere (whether that be Middleton or Holiday).

You then give bud 2 more years to cause this big 3 might not win a ship with bud as the coach

[chrisab123]

Holy god. Good player but this is a crazy overpay.

Your team just gave Jayson Tatum $200 million.

Also gave Kemba Walker $140 mllion lol.

Tatum getting that money is very defensible. Kemba eh what can you do? Still doesn't justify giving Jrue and Middleton those deals...

[All The Bucks]

There's a lot of irony in someone concluding someone is "not that smart" while claiming "there were only two options" available to the Milwaukee Bucks. If you don't see the issue with paying that dollar amount for a guy with a history of injury issues in his age 31-34 seasons before you even see if your team works is comical. It's like everyone just forgot we paid Bledsoe too early in the game and locked ourselves into him before we actually saw what shook out. The mere notion that this is a "snap reaction" when I've been consistent on the Jrue Holiday extension for months? I don't know, given how you just state things that are wrong, you're probably just not that smart man.

So you really are saying they should have just let him walk.

[raferfenix]

Lopez is gone next year no matter what and I could totally see the FO putting blame on him for our failures if he doesn't perform. He's just the odd man out with having to pay guys like Portis, possibly Tucker and eventually DDV. At least that's how I see it.

I get the argument that we should consider using Lopez's salary slot to get an upgrade somewhere.

But the Bucks are paying the tax no matter what the next few seasons.

There's no benefit to fans in jettisoning BroLo for cash savings.

LED got out of paying the luxury tax this year (yet again). And the Bucks don't have much asset value to use to acquire more talent.

Every salary slot we have is precious and should not be liquidated for cash savings during this brief period when we have 3 stars locked up in their prime years.

[emunney]

There's a lot of irony in someone concluding someone is "not that smart" while claiming "there were only two options" available to the Milwaukee Bucks. If you don't see the issue with paying that dollar amount for a guy with a history of injury issues in his age 31-34 seasons before you even see if your team works is comical. It's like everyone just forgot we paid Bledsoe too early in the game and locked ourselves into him before we actually saw what shook out. The mere notion that this is a "snap reaction" when I've been consistent on the Jrue Holiday extension for months? I don't know, given how you just state things that are wrong, you're probably just not that smart man.

So you really are saying they should have just let him walk.

You guys are talking pasts each other. Skones wants to see how it plays out, sign him to a smaller deal or work out a sign and trade. I think he's expecting more out of a sign and trade than is reasonable to expect as there are only a handful of cases where the team sending out the signed player doesn't take back pennies on the dollar in terms of on court value.

But he thinks this contract is toxic. I don't. You don't. It's fine.

[All The Bucks]

You guys are talking pasts each other. Skones wants to see how it plays out, sign him to a smaller deal or work out a sign and trade. I think he's expecting more out of a sign and trade than is reasonable to expect as there are only a handful of cases where the team sending out the signed player doesn't take back pennies on the dollar in terms of on court value.

But he thinks this contract is toxic. I don't. You don't. It's fine.

Nonsense. First of all, what more does a person with functioning eyeballs need to see from Jrue? Second, the man clearly gave them a discount. How many years of sports free agency need to play out before even the village idiot realizes some team was going to be willing to give out the max. Multiple teams. A person would have to be "special" to not see this was the obvious decision.

He's just being a contrarian for the sake of being one, you should be able to see that.

[emunney]

You guys are talking pasts each other. Skones wants to see how it plays out, sign him to a smaller deal or work out a sign and trade. I think he's expecting more out of a sign and trade than is reasonable to expect as there are only a handful of cases where the team sending out the signed player doesn't take back pennies on the dollar in terms of on court value.

But he thinks this contract is toxic. I don't. You don't. It's fine.

Nonsense. First of all, what more does a person with functioning eyeballs need to see from Jrue? Second, the man clearly gave them a discount. How many years of sports free agency need to play out before even the village idiot realizes some team was going to be willing to give out the max. Multiple teams. A person would have to be "special" to not see this was the obvious decision.

He's just being a contrarian for the sake of being one, you should be able to see that.

Should have known better than to try.

[All The Bucks]

Stay on topic and away from personal insults. MD

[Ron Swanson]

Getting anything of value in a sign & trade for an unrestricted free agent is incredibly wishful thinking. Durant netted the Warriors D'Angelo Russell but that was about as rare a situation as there ever has been, and Jrue is nowhere near the asset or player that KD is. I've been about as skeptical as anyone about whether or not Jrue is good enough to really put us over the top or be "the missing piece" that warranted giving up the Godfather offer for, but if you're gonna gripe about the deal, then yeah, you should probably offer a more realistic alternative than that. It was either extend him as soon as you could, or go into the offseason and risk losing him for nothing because you wanted to save some money on the life of the contract.

[fan230]

Of course we had to try and extend Jrue, given our situation —— given that we had mortgaged our future and knowing that if Jrue left, we would be sunk. The amount of money we paid to extend Jrue is also fully fair I think.

Where I may differ from some is the assertion that if we don’t make it to the finals this year we should fire Bud or trade Brook or trade Khris or maybe all of them.

The word finals has also been differently used. Is it the nba finals or ec finals? I think the chances of going to the nva finals, are very low for us. Going to the ecf is not almost guaranteed by any chance.

The East has grown so much stronger in recent years that today it is v hard for us to go to the ec finals let alone the nba finals.

We have 1 super star, 1 recent all star and 1 previous all star. The Nets have 3 super stars. The 76 ers and Celtics are both very strong teams. We just may be able to go to the ecf but very unlikely to be able to go to the nba f.

Jrue is an excellent player but is not as good as Harden; the amount of good players and first round picks given up for both were about similar. If we had Harden instead we should probably think of trading Khris or firing Bud if we did not make it to the nba f. But thinking of blowing up our team in this manner seems to be built on unexpectedly high expectations for us at this point, in my opinion.

Imo we should be happy with our big 3 and strive to be the best we can be without thinking of making radical changes if we don’t make the finals, certainly the nba f and probably the ecf too.

[galena]

I have a better feeling this time around.

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Here is the difference: Jrue Holiday > Eric “Drew” Bledsoe

[M-C-G]

Don't recall if I posted it, but I think this is why the owners were wise to not start the paying tax clock yet. If we would have gone into tax last season and did the repeat offender thing, by the time Giannis extension jumps next season, if we were two years in, nothing would be sustainable. By waiting, at least this gives us a window of a few years before it becomes too much.

[Isocleas2]

Glad to see this is over with, the free agent class is so weak this year there's little doubt he would have got the same money (or more) from someone else this offseason. Not worth the chance he walks and the Bucks are basically ****.

[thonnisbeastley]

Three elite guys as our Big 3. And all of them are great organizational & cultural fits. Sure there are “more talented” players but I really like what we have.

People saying “Khris is next” are asinine. He’s been here since we had complete bums on the roster & is more than likely getting his jersey retired.

If a massive failure occurs, Bud is on the chopping block followed by Lopez.

Sure Bud goes first. But Lopez won't get us much of anything in a trade these days. Khris is definitely the most likely to be moved if we can only continue to add Pat C/Forbes/Craig type players and fail to get to the finals. If we fail to reach the finals this year, Bud goes. If we aren't dominating the league and look lost like we have for a good portion of this season before the trade deadline, Khris deals will be discussed. If we don't make the finals next season, Khris should be dealt. Doesn't matter if he's been here since we had complete bums on the roster, we have tons of bums now. He's not deserving of having his jersey retired with 2 All-star appearances on the coat tails of Giannis and without making the finals or winning a championship. If Big Dog's jersey isn't retired, no way in hell Khris' will be, as it stands now.

Big Dog was an inefficient chucker, he never once has a TS% of 54, Khris has never has a TS% under 54 as a Buck. Khris is also a better defender and playmaker, and provides spacing.

I don't think jerseys get retired based on your TS%.

Here's one you'll love though, through his 8 seasons with the Bucks, Glenn Robinson had a higher total VORP than Khris Middleton has had through his first 8 seasons with the Bucks.

[Sigra]

This is what good franchises do. Bad franchises have doubts and "wait to see".

NIce to be fan of good franchise. For change.

Eh, not sure Vuc was the move tbh.

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At least we agree about that. Bad move for THEM

[M-C-G]

Sure Bud goes first. But Lopez won't get us much of anything in a trade these days. Khris is definitely the most likely to be moved if we can only continue to add Pat C/Forbes/Craig type players and fail to get to the finals. If we fail to reach the finals this year, Bud goes. If we aren't dominating the league and look lost like we have for a good portion of this season before the trade deadline, Khris deals will be discussed. If we don't make the finals next season, Khris should be dealt. Doesn't matter if he's been here since we had complete bums on the roster, we have tons of bums now. He's not deserving of having his jersey retired with 2 All-star appearances on the coat tails of Giannis and without making the finals or winning a championship. If Big Dog's jersey isn't retired, no way in hell Khris' will be, as it stands now.

Big Dog was an inefficient chucker, he never once has a TS% of 54, Khris has never has a TS% under 54 as a Buck. Khris is also a better defender and playmaker, and provides spacing.

I don't think jerseys get retired based on your TS%.

Here's one you'll love though, through his 8 seasons with the Bucks, Glenn Robinson had a higher total VORP than Khris Middleton has had through his first 8 seasons with the Bucks.

Yeah, not a fan of TS% being your indicator of greatness. Plus the game has changed way too much between now and then to think simply comparing TS is apples to apples is a good idea.

Greg Monroe would have been a star in the Big Dog era. He is currently 30 years old and has been out of the league for like three years after bouncing around the league as a vet min type guy.

[jschligs]

Your team just gave Jayson Tatum $200 million.

Also gave Kemba Walker $140 mllion lol.

Tatum getting that money is very defensible. Kemba eh what can you do? Still doesn't justify giving Jrue and Middleton those deals...

Kemba is "eh, what can you do?" - Dude has knee issues, that is way worse that BOTH Jrue and Midd's contracts...they have upside. Midds just came off a nearly 50/40/90 on 20PPG. Jrue is one of the best defenders in the league and incredible controlled under pressure.

I can 100% understand Tatum at 200mil, but to sit here and act like Midds and Jrue were bad when they would've gotten near max from a laundry list of teams is stupid. The contracts weren't bad, it's the going rate, and it locks in our core for years.

[trwi7]

Your team just gave Jayson Tatum $200 million.

Also gave Kemba Walker $140 mllion lol.

Tatum getting that money is very defensible. Kemba eh what can you do? Still doesn't justify giving Jrue and Middleton those deals...

Tatum's contract isn't really defensible but I guess my main point is worry about your own team's **** contracts and under .500 record instead of coming on our board.

[soxperry]

Also gave Kemba Walker $140 mllion lol.

Tatum getting that money is very defensible. Kemba eh what can you do? Still doesn't justify giving Jrue and Middleton those deals...

Tatum's contract isn't really defensible but I guess my main point is worry about your own team's **** contracts and under .500 record instead of coming on our board.

Im sayin..

[emunney]

Wait, what's wrong with Tatum's contract?