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[ReasonablySober]

In case anyone wants an entertaining read after The Battle of Winterfell.

[emunney]

In case anyone wants an entertaining read after The Battle of Winterfell.

This was my best take:

I maintain this should have been a McTiernan/Shane Black joint.

[RRyder823]

The ending to GoT was as if they handed the reigns over to Michael Bay all of a sudden. I mean sure it had some cool action sequences but the story, which was the backbone of why the show was previously so good, turned to dog **** very quickly.

People like GoT due to the great storylines and for some reasons the show runners thought fans just wanted dragons and zombies fights by the end. That’s what annoyed everyone about how it ended.

Ding ding ding

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[RRyder823]

It went from characters having consistent motivations, to, "That would look cool in a movie theater, let's write that"

I mean, the three greatest military tacticians in Westeros decided the best way to use their cavalry was to send them off to attack a static force.... Because watching the flaming swords go out would look cool

Yea, but it did look cool.

Yeah but when it's so stupid that you're thinking "what are these morons doing?" It's kind of hard to live in the moment of the scene

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[Ron Swanson]

That thread was a fun trip down (pre-Covid) memory lane lol. I maintain that the only glaring mistake they made was not having the Battle of Winterfell be the culmination of the series and instead making the 2nd half of the season disappointingly anti-climactic. I just find most of the "story" criticisms to be too subjective based mostly on how personally satisfying you found each character's resolution. There were some I liked (Dany, Jon, Arya) and some I didn't (Cersei/Jamie, Bran). I don't think an ending existed that would have satisfyingly tied up the story for anyone, given the insane amount of characters they needed to address, thus GRRM's recent comments of wishing they would have stretched it to 10 seasons.

[tydett]

The Battle for Winterfell became damn near inconsequential because of the anticlimax of the end of the show. Almost every major character survived (except for lolTheon and lolJorah... and almost forgot about lolEdd) despite claustrophobic filming that made them seem like they were constantly on the knife's edge - seriously, Sam should have died 15 times over - and the "losses" that were sustained were instantly respawned to get Dany on the throne. A moment that was hyped, warned about, and regarded in terms of lore and world building as being the central conflict was solved in about 40 minutes of screen time.

There was nothing left in the hat of the producers after that because the Siege of Kings landing was over in about 10 minutes, leaving 3 vacuous episodes that got characters to unearned positions, super uncharacteristic of a show that got its initial audience because characters actually faced consequences for their actions. If D&D directed the show at the beginning the same way they did at the end, Ilyn Payne would've tripped while holding the blade above Ned Stark, he would've gotten free of his bonds and ran away to plot how to save King's Landing from the Lannisters. Nevermind they wouldn't have been in that situation since Bobby B wouldn't have been gored by the boar.

[ReasonablySober]

I think when I look back on GoT I don't do it with disappointment, really at all. There are a lot of shows more universally (especially critically) adored that don't contain a 10th of the big moments and entertainment value that GoT did, even at its supposed worst. I just can't drum up the hate for a show when it it was in the middle of giving us Hardhome, Snow's death and resurrection, Hodor's origin, the Battle of the Bastards, the Sept getting nuked and Tommen taking a swan dive out the window, Arya wiping out the Freys, the Tower of Joy revelation, Olenna’s "it was me" moment, Viserion getting turned, Baelish gets merc'd, Viserion nuking the Wall, the Battle of Winterfell...just, all of it, Brienne being knighted, "The Night King" by Ramin Djawadi as Arya kills the NK, the Cleganebowl.

That's just a murderer's row of really awesome ****.

[PintSizedBox10]

I just need GRRM to hurry up and give us his actual ending.

Then again I almost believe he saw the reception to the end of the show and decided he needed to make some edits. I'm only half kidding

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[EastSideBucksFan]

I've convinced myself with no corroborating information that GRRM has it all finished and just does not feel like releasing it while he's alive. After all the criticism, it feels plausible.

[FrieAaron]

I just need GRRM to hurry up and give us his actual ending.

Then again I almost believe he saw the reception to the end of the show and decided he needed to make some edits. I'm only half kidding RealGM mobile app

There's always the possibility, but even if things end with the characters at more or less the same place how he got there would be so much different it would probably feel a lot better. There were already some major character differences, but their decision to make Bran a minor character is even more baffling given they knew the ending.

[emunney]

I think when I look back on GoT I don't do it with disappointment, really at all. There are a lot of shows more universally (especially critically) adored that don't contain a 10th of the big moments and entertainment value that GoT did, even at its supposed worst. I just can't drum up the hate for a show when it it was in the middle of giving us Hardhome, Snow's death and resurrection, Hodor's origin, the Battle of the Bastards, the Sept getting nuked and Tommen taking a swan dive out the window, Arya wiping out the Freys, the Tower of Joy revelation, Olenna’s "it was me" moment, Viserion getting turned, Baelish gets merc'd, Viserion nuking the Wall, the Battle of Winterfell...just, all of it, Brienne being knighted, "The Night King" by Ramin Djawadi as Arya kills the NK, the Cleganebowl.

That's just a murderer's row of really awesome ****.

Baelish's death was horse ****.

[ReasonablySober]

Watch on YouTube

Needs to be posted just for being one of the top TV moments of the last decade.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The battle of the blackwater was probably my favorite GoT episode.

Also interesting they filmed some of GoT in Malta and I just read a book on the great seige of Malta by the Ottomans in 1565 and realized some of the specifics like the giant chain and wild fire were taken from that event.

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[tydett]

Baelish's death was horse ****.

Was truly the moment where I realized the Rubicon had been crossed and the last season would probably be unsalvageable from a character-driven narrative standpoint.

[buckboy]

I just need GRRM to hurry up and give us his actual ending.

Then again I almost believe he saw the reception to the end of the show and decided he needed to make some edits. I'm only half kidding RealGM mobile app

There's always the possibility, but even if things end with the characters at more or less the same place how he got there would be so much different it would probably feel a lot better. There were already some major character differences, but their decision to make Bran a minor character is even more baffling given they knew the ending.

And I'm guessing we would have some actual writing involved in getting to the end instead of "I don't want it " every 40 seconds.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm a few episodes into Industry. I'm clueless when it comes to the final stuff but it's still entertaining. Ken Leung is great.

[blazza18]

I'm a few episodes into Industry. I'm clueless when it comes to the final stuff but it's still entertaining. Ken Leung is great.

I found it entertaining too despite all the characters being **** and having no clue what they were doing 90% of the time haha.

[AussieBuck]

Doing a run through the movies of my childhood with my kids. Giving Terminator a go today and holy **** does Kyle Reece look like Pat.

[stellation]

Decided to do the umpeenth run through of rewatching Star Wars, after chatting with my son we decided to include everything. Kicked off with The Phantom Menance and I'm hear to tell you it's perfectly fine and, perhaps more controversially, Jar Jar Binks is fine and doesn't ruin my childhood by existing.

[stellation]

Doing a run through the movies of my childhood with my kids. Giving Terminator a go today and holy **** does Kyle Reece look like Pat.

Bloody hell! Was about to do a whacky headswap photoshop jobby but nope, not required.