PG Minny - Great Win!

[Brewhoopfan]

Benching Rollins for KPJ was key

Rollins spotting KPJ a 14 point lead was key. Rollins got Edwards out of rythm mid 1st quarter after Ajax left and changed the game.

This is why I’m in the sign Rollins train. Even though his shoulder is clearly affecting his shot and his finishing ability, he’s still been more than solid on D, has sneaky length and strength, and even gets rebounds.

I also thought KPJ did a great job on the boards tonight. He attacks those rebounds like Kuz does.

This. Looked like Bledsoe and young Giannis out there.

[chonestown]

Some of ya'll are going to be punching air every time the Bucks win a game with Dame in street clothes now.

My bad.



I get it, people are already butthurt that I speak the truth on Dame.

Then the Bucks go out get one of their most fun and one of their best wins of the season on the road......with Dame in street clothes.

Damn that rilamann!!!

My mom was sad she couldn't see Dino play.

A little bit of perspective.

[Baddy Chuck]

The next slowest non- D guy is Bobby though... his slow is going to look slower with all these corvettes flying

Bucks are actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor this year. It was obvious when Bobby was out how much they need his rebounding.

The Bucks only have 1 non D guy, but his crippling effect on the defense remains too much to overcome. We didn't have to worry about that last night, so we won.

WTF dude your agenda with dame is as bad as rilamans is.Did this guy kick your dog screw your GF or something.FFS everything dame from you is he sucks on D put up a triple double or beats philly with his 67% TS night yet here yoi are again bringing up dames D as the reason why they won.Thats fu.. BS.You would be talking out of your ass if Ant didnt shoot so badly n minny won.
Im sure yoy geniuos idea would be to start **** ajax at the one n rollins at tbe 2.
You use ×/- only when you try to prove a point then ignore when other people bring stats to prove your BS is just that BS

Here's some stats for you Daver.

Currently the Dameless/Giannisless lineups are sporting a hilariously good 100 DRTG but are a negative net rating. I'd argue whatever juice they got going is pretty unsustainable to any level of winning basketball. Funny enough, this doesn't really carry over to playing with Giannis.

Dame's defense is overcome by simply playing next to Giannis. 114.6 DRTG with the 2 on, 115.7 with Giannis on and Dame off. So assuming the idea would be to play Giannis, with playing Dame next to him not only does the team not get worse defensively, it gets better.

You could even delve deeper into the guys he loves. So he loves BP and AJ Green right? Let's just look at some numbers regarding those players

Dame/Giannis on: 114.6 DRTG
Giannis/Bobby on, Dame off: 119 DRTG
GIannis/Bobby/AJ Green on, Dame off: 119.6 DRTG (3.8 net rating)
Dame/Bobby/AJ on, GIANNIS off: 112.5 (9.6 net rating)
Dame/Giannis/AJ on, Bobby off: 107 DRTG (13.55 net rating)

Oddly, Dame is helping those defensive lineups as well so according to stats, if he wants those guys to play we should be playing Dame right?

[Shaffty]

Why do so many wisconsin sports fans get off on being wet blankets

[Daver]

Bucks are actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor this year. It was obvious when Bobby was out how much they need his rebounding.

The Bucks only have 1 non D guy, but his crippling effect on the defense remains too much to overcome. We didn't have to worry about that last night, so we won.

WTF dude your agenda with dame is as bad as rilamans is.Did this guy kick your dog screw your GF or something.FFS everything dame from you is he sucks on D put up a triple double or beats philly with his 67% TS night yet here yoi are again bringing up dames D as the reason why they won.Thats fu.. BS.You would be talking out of your ass if Ant didnt shoot so badly n minny won.
Im sure yoy geniuos idea would be to start **** ajax at the one n rollins at tbe 2.
You use ×/- only when you try to prove a point then ignore when other people bring stats to prove your BS is just that BS

Here's some stats for you Daver.

Currently the Dameless/Giannisless lineups are sporting a hilariously good 100 DRTG but are a negative net rating. I'd argue whatever juice they got going is pretty unsustainable to any level of winning basketball. Funny enough, this doesn't really carry over to playing with Giannis.

Dame's defense is overcome by simply playing next to Giannis. 114.6 DRTG with the 2 on, 115.7 with Giannis on and Dame off. So assuming the idea would be to play Giannis, with playing Dame next to him not only does the team not get worse defensively, it gets better.

You could even delve deeper into the guys he loves. So he loves BP and AJ Green right? Let's just look at some numbers regarding those players

Dame/Giannis on: 114.6 DRTG
Giannis/Bobby on, Dame off: 119 DRTG
GIannis/Bobby/AJ Green on, Dame off: 119.6 DRTG (3.8 net rating)
Dame/Bobby/AJ on, GIANNIS off: 112.5 (9.6 net rating)
Dame/Giannis/AJ on, Bobby off: 107 DRTG (13.55 net rating)

Oddly, Dame is helping those defensive lineups as well so according to stats, if he wants those guys to play we should be playing Dame right?

Thanks great post im sure shootingtheJ will ignore everything you just said though n throw out a stat to benefit him

[ShootingtheJ]

The next slowest non- D guy is Bobby though... his slow is going to look slower with all these corvettes flying

Bucks are actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor this year. It was obvious when Bobby was out how much they need his rebounding.

The Bucks only have 1 non D guy, but his crippling effect on the defense remains too much to overcome. We didn't have to worry about that last night, so we won.

WTF dude your agenda with dame is as bad as rilamans is.Did this guy kick your dog screw your GF or something.FFS everything dame from you is he sucks on D put up a triple double or beats philly with his 67% TS night yet here yoi are again bringing up dames D as the reason why they won.Thats fu.. BS.You would be talking out of your ass if Ant didnt shoot so badly n minny won.
Im sure yoy geniuos idea would be to start **** ajax at the one n rollins at tbe 2.
You use ×/- only when you try to prove a point then ignore when other people bring stats to prove your BS is just that BS

It's hilarious that I quote stats, and you think a have an agenda. You do realize i didn't invented these stat formulas, right?

Your question shouldn't be "why do you hate him, did he kick your dog?" It should be, "why does on/off hate him, why does defensive rating hate him?"

[RogerMurdock]

I didn't watch most of the game, but caught the last few minutes. One huge thing was that you could tell there was a ton of effort. Some big rebounds and especially that leaping steal Prince had late plus his effort to stay inbounds. Gives me some hope for the playoffs, similar to the Cup, that when everyone is giving it their all and fighting every possession, they can win.

[Daver]

Bucks are actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor this year. It was obvious when Bobby was out how much they need his rebounding.

The Bucks only have 1 non D guy, but his crippling effect on the defense remains too much to overcome. We didn't have to worry about that last night, so we won.

WTF dude your agenda with dame is as bad as rilamans is.Did this guy kick your dog screw your GF or something.FFS everything dame from you is he sucks on D put up a triple double or beats philly with his 67% TS night yet here yoi are again bringing up dames D as the reason why they won.Thats fu.. BS.You would be talking out of your ass if Ant didnt shoot so badly n minny won.
Im sure yoy geniuos idea would be to start **** ajax at the one n rollins at tbe 2.
You use ×/- only when you try to prove a point then ignore when other people bring stats to prove your BS is just that BS

It's hilarious that I quote stats, and you think a have an agenda. You do realize i didn't invented these stat formulas, right?

Your question shouldn't be "why do you hate him, did he kick your dog?" It should be, "why does on/off hate him, why does defensive rating hate him?"

Currently the Dameless/Giannisless lineups are sporting a hilariously good 100 DRTG but are a negative net rating. I'd argue whatever juice they got going is pretty unsustainable to any level of winning basketball. Funny enough, this doesn't really carry over to playing with Giannis.

Dame's defense is overcome by simply playing next to Giannis. 114.6 DRTG with the 2 on, 115.7 with Giannis on and Dame off. So assuming the idea would be to play Giannis, with playing Dame next to him not only does the team not get worse defensively, it gets better.

You could even delve deeper into the guys he loves. So he loves BP and AJ Green right? Let's just look at some numbers regarding those players

Dame/Giannis on: 114.6 DRTG
Giannis/Bobby on, Dame off: 119 DRTG
GIannis/Bobby/AJ Green on, Dame off: 119.6 DRTG (3.8 net rating)
Dame/Bobby/AJ on, GIANNIS off: 112.5 (9.6 net rating)
Dame/Giannis/AJ on, Bobby off: 107 DRTG (13.55 net rating)

Oddly, Dame is helping those defensive lineups as well so according to stats, if he wants those guys to play we should be playing Dame right?



Explain this then from baddy chuck you throw stats out thst dame is bad on D explain this

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks are actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor this year. It was obvious when Bobby was out how much they need his rebounding.

The Bucks only have 1 non D guy, but his crippling effect on the defense remains too much to overcome. We didn't have to worry about that last night, so we won.

WTF dude your agenda with dame is as bad as rilamans is.Did this guy kick your dog screw your GF or something.FFS everything dame from you is he sucks on D put up a triple double or beats philly with his 67% TS night yet here yoi are again bringing up dames D as the reason why they won.Thats fu.. BS.You would be talking out of your ass if Ant didnt shoot so badly n minny won.
Im sure yoy geniuos idea would be to start **** ajax at the one n rollins at tbe 2.
You use ×/- only when you try to prove a point then ignore when other people bring stats to prove your BS is just that BS

Here's some stats for you Daver.

Currently the Dameless/Giannisless lineups are sporting a hilariously good 100 DRTG but are a negative net rating. I'd argue whatever juice they got going is pretty unsustainable to any level of winning basketball. Funny enough, this doesn't really carry over to playing with Giannis.

Dame's defense is overcome by simply playing next to Giannis. 114.6 DRTG with the 2 on, 115.7 with Giannis on and Dame off. So assuming the idea would be to play Giannis, with playing Dame next to him not only does the team not get worse defensively, it gets better.

You could even delve deeper into the guys he loves. So he loves BP and AJ Green right? Let's just look at some numbers regarding those players

Dame/Giannis on: 114.6 DRTG
Giannis/Bobby on, Dame off: 119 DRTG
GIannis/Bobby/AJ Green on, Dame off: 119.6 DRTG (3.8 net rating)
Dame/Bobby/AJ on, GIANNIS off: 112.5 (9.6 net rating)
Dame/Giannis/AJ on, Bobby off: 107 DRTG (13.55 net rating)

Oddly, Dame is helping those defensive lineups as well so according to stats, if he wants those guys to play we should be playing Dame right?

Seems realistic, just pair the $48.7 million player with the perfect lineup for him in every single one of his minutes so the team doesn't get killed defensively when he's in.

Or, move him to another team for players that better compliment each other, and get back to winning. Considering we can win without him without the benefits of a trade, I'm not seeing the risk.

[sidney lanier]

No saint is the guard Kevin Porter
And Kuzma's no trip-dub recorder
Brook is too old and slow
Dame just shoots it for show
RealGM has team hate disorder

Like Ron Swanson, I hated the Kuzma trade, but with Kuzma the pieces we now have look like they might fit together. Yes, each one has its flaws (meticulously and repetitively recorded in these pages), but like rice and beans they might combine to make for some nourishing protein.

[MickeyDavis]

Horst sucks yada yada yada but Prince and especially Trent at the minimum were really good signings.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I’d rather have Brook/Bobby/Kuzma than Middleton/AJ/Nance

trading lopez instead of midds is a nonstarter for me as well. hes an ironman and as much to do with our core as anybody....and thats especially with the old mr glass nature of the rest of the core even now that remains. you dont trade lopez and keep midds to "solve" the no-show-ism and general nature of the rest of the core which needs to sit out after virtually any heavy use whatsoever.

You trade Lopez instead of Mids because the playoffs are all that matter.

and to get to the playoffs you have to make the playoffs. midds, giannis, and dame are made of glass. they cant be relied upon for the grind of a season without wrecking their bodies. if you even attempt it you destroy our playoff performance anyway. have you not learned that enough already? like right now the season is barely half over. the toughest stretch ahead....and giannis may be cooked without LARGE swaths of rest down the stretch.

we need guys that can perform during the regular season and still having something in the tank come the playoffs. lopez is example 1a. kuzma hopefully will add to that list

[MikeIsGood]

The best part of the Kuzma trade so far is that he **** rebounds. I'm not sure just how much people realize we need that. Our rebound diff is -2, which is bottom-five in the league. Even last night (no Giannis obv) we gave up 15 ORBD.

Khris is/was a good rebounder, but he wasn't playing enough to make a difference anymore.

[ShootingtheJ]

trading lopez instead of midds is a nonstarter for me as well. hes an ironman and as much to do with our core as anybody....and thats especially with the old mr glass nature of the rest of the core even now that remains. you dont trade lopez and keep midds to "solve" the no-show-ism and general nature of the rest of the core which needs to sit out after virtually any heavy use whatsoever.

You trade Lopez instead of Mids because the playoffs are all that matter.

and to get to the playoffs you have to make the playoffs. midds, giannis, and dame are made of glass. they cant be relied upon for the grind of a season without wrecking their bodies. if you even attempt it you destroy our playoff performance anyway. have you not learned that enough already? like right now the season is barely half over. the toughest stretch ahead....and giannis may be cooked without LARGE swaths of rest down the stretch.

we need guys that can perform during the regular season and still having something in the tank come the playoffs. lopez is example 1a. kuzma hopefully will add to that list

Maybe im overconfident, but I just watched us beat a playoff team without Giannis or Dame. I have no fears of not making the playoffs.

[paulpressey25]

We’re going on 12 pages PG thread. Perhaps more than beating OKC for the cup.

Just one reminder. Minnesota is a really flawed team. The win last night was great, but going to be a new world when we take on the Clippers a week from today.

[machu46]

Is it just me or do the Wolves desperately need a PG to get them into their sets? The best they looked was with Ingles on the floor. Ant has to work so hard for all his shots and Gobert really clogs the lane for Ant.

That's why Conley was so important to them turning things around and playing winning basketball. Now he's too old and they have no replacement.

They obviously moved on from him a while ago now, but I feel like someone like Tyus Jones would help them so much more than a player of his caliber should.

[Baddy Chuck]

Seems realistic, just pair the $48.7 million player with the perfect lineup for him in every single one of his minutes so the team doesn't get killed defensively when he's in.

Or, move him to another team for players that better compliment each other, and get back to winning. Considering we can win without him without the benefits of a trade, I'm not seeing the risk.

We're 5-4 without Dame with a -4 point differential, 6-6 without Giannis with a -6 differential. Guess we can win all the same without him too!

Also regarding your first statement, I mean yes?, is that not exactly what they should try to do? There are lineups with Dame that work defensively right now. Last season there was almost not a lineup that didn't work. Dame isn't torpedoing the defense on his own and finding ways to fill the voids is exactly what we should be doing. Last season it worked with Malik Beasley FFS. This season it's largely fine, even good, when pairing our two stars together. The two guys we are going to ride in the playoffs for better or worse right now. Finding the lineups that limit our team getting killed is exactly what we should be doing and there are plenty with Dame that aren't.

Your dreams of Dame being traded at the deadline are over. Doing what it takes to win now is what the team is focusing on. Who gives a flying **** about your new found love for defensive sieve Domantas Sabonis as a trade target or the other 20 at best Dame level defenders you've been jumping at like they'd prove to be anything more. They aren't walking through that door. Besides, maybe Dalano Banton, he might be cut any day now with the CD-DNPs he's racking up and **** the bed when he does play during their current hot streak while taunting a dude to drop 50 on him.

Wishing Dame away isn't going to make it happen. And like rila all your posts currently come off as you hoping the Bucks fail so you can be "right" while praying that Tari Eason walks in the door and rights the ship so oyu can be "right" again.

[Ron Swanson]

Ah yes, it's us, the Doc Rivers coached Milwaukee Bucks, starting Andre Jackson Jr. and Taurean Prince,. AKA the "perfect lineups" to put around Dame.

[Daver]

Seems realistic, just pair the $48.7 million player with the perfect lineup for him in every single one of his minutes so the team doesn't get killed defensively when he's in.

Or, move him to another team for players that better compliment each other, and get back to winning. Considering we can win without him without the benefits of a trade, I'm not seeing the risk.

We're 5-4 without Dame with a -4 point differential, 6-6 without Giannis with a -6 differential. Guess we can win all the same without him too!

Also regarding your first statement, I mean yes?, is that not exactly what they should try to do? There are lineups with Dame that work defensively right now. Last season there was almost not a lineup that didn't work. Dame isn't torpedoing the defense on his own and finding ways to fill the voids is exactly what we should be doing. Last season it worked with Malik Beasley FFS. This season it's largely fine, even good, when pairing our two stars together. The two guys we are going to ride in the playoffs for better or worse right now. Finding the lineups that limit our team getting killed is exactly what we should be doing and there are plenty with Dame that aren't.

Your dreams of Dame being traded at the deadline are over. Doing what it takes to win now is what the team is focusing on. Who gives a flying **** about your new found love for defensive sieve Domantas Sabonis as a trade target or the other 20 at best Dame level defenders you've been jumping at like they'd prove to be anything more. They aren't walking through that door. Besides, maybe Dalano Banton, he might be cut any day now with the CD-DNPs he's racking up and **** the bed when he does play during their current hot streak while taunting a dude to drop 50 on him.

Wishing Dame away isn't going to make it happen. And like rila all your posts currently come off as you hoping the Bucks fail so you can be "right" while praying that Tari Eason walks in the door and rights the ship so oyu can be "right" again.

Funny his man love ajax defensive stats and even overall ajax in the lineup is a negative yet he never says nothing about ajax

[machu46]

I didn't watch most of the game, but caught the last few minutes. One huge thing was that you could tell there was a ton of effort. Some big rebounds and especially that leaping steal Prince had late plus his effort to stay inbounds. Gives me some hope for the playoffs, similar to the Cup, that when everyone is giving it their all and fighting every possession, they can win.

That pass was just begging to be stolen and yet I was so surprised when it actually was