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[rayallenscalves]

I'm not moving AJ Green for Wiggins, Barrett, Kuminga or anything Sacramento could offer. It's Trey Murphy, Herb Jones or bust if we're moving AJ.

[SirChurros]

I admit that I probably have some irrational like/hope for Kuminga but I’d probably do Kuz/31 1st for him.

Dude is only 22.

[emunney]

Kuminga's poor shooting outside of like 8 feet and almost total lack of improvement over the past few years makes him an exceptionally bad bet for a team in our position. Barrett would be a lot easier to understand even though I'm no great fan of his either.

[tsamo]

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Ah yes, trade Kuzma for a younger Kuzma, plus us giving them our 2031 first round pick and a prospect(probably AJG)...

Please God no...

Unless it's something like Kuzma, top 10 or lottery protected 2031 first round pick and AJJ or Sears or something along those lines. And even then I'm second guessing it already.

[soxperry]

I mean, c'mon....we're doing the exact same thing here lol.

With who?

With our motley crew of 6'4 role guys/3&D guards thinking we're gonna somehow money-ball our way to a great offense just because Giannis is awesome. That was pretty much the reasoning behind the Kuzma trade (beyond the financials) and look how that turned out. Trying to re-create production of great offensive players/scorers in the aggregate/through the bargain bin doesn't work in the NBA like it does in other sports. I'd be more optimistic with a better offensive mind at head coach, but obviously, we have Doc. This team is gonna have to lean entirely into a defensive identity because I'll be stunned if they're gonna win many track meet type games against playoff level opponents next season.

Alright back it up.

The topic was replacing one guy who is a two way player with multiple guys and my opinion of how stupid that sounds. The value of the two way player is that its everything in one spot. Just from a math perspective you cant replicate that with two players, it doesnt work.

Yes, you can theoretically still create a great offense by committee. Is this the committee? Idk. But i wouldnt be surprised if our offense isnt far behind last year with much better defense

[BUCKnation]

I don't mind Barrett, but AJ Green is close to untouchable for me. Definitely wouldn't throw him in for guys like Wiggins or Barrett. Now Trey Murphy the third would be tempting assuming it negated adding a pick.

[raferfenix]

Counter argument on Kuminga:

He’s a fantastic finisher which is a critical difference vs Kuzma.

He’s only 22 (Kuzma is 29) and hasn’t had a consistent role on the Warriors to date.

Bucks have all the shots he could ever hope for available to see what he can do.

All that said if we don’t think he’d be a big step up defensively over Kuzma I’m probably out too considering the cost. Whether Kuminga can keep up with 3’s as opposed to really being a tweener 4 is key.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Kuminga has a lot of talent but he doesn't have a clue how to play (winning) basketball. If he couldn't make it work in that GS system that is a major red flag for me. Hard pass.

Barrett has improved but he's mostly an empty calorie volume scorer. Not what this team needs. Also pass.

[fansinceforever]

How much better are the Bucks with Kuminga or Barrett? I'd guess not that much better at all.

Kuzma sucks but they have enough to relegate him to back up 3/4 minutes during the regular season and none in the playoffs, health withstanding.

We've got a shot this year but isn't next year really the goal? The guys in Boston and Indy will still be recovering from their injuries and we'll have more assets to use. Don't burn the '31 1st for the sake of it.

[raferfenix]

Kuminga has a lot of talent but he doesn't have a clue how to play (winning) basketball. If he couldn't make it work in that GS system that is a major red flag for me. Hard pass.

To be fair the Warriors like him just not $25M+ per long term it seems.

He was also just a bad fit btw Draymond and Wiggins and now Jimmy.

[SirChurros]

Kuminga has a lot of talent but he doesn't have a clue how to play (winning) basketball. If he couldn't make it work in that GS system that is a major red flag for me. Hard pass.

To be fair the Warriors like him just not $25M+ per long term it seems.

He was also just a bad fit btw Draymond and Wiggins and now Jimmy.

I agree with this.

[M-C-G]

Who is the Robert Covington out there, get me a guy like that and I’ll put the first on the table if he has a few years of control and is like 25. Just not sure who that is

[Prez]

I think Kuminga’s a crappy fit next to Giannis and lacking in several winning basketball areas, I’m not giving up the ‘31 1st for him.

[SirChurros]

I do think Barrett is probably a more talented player, though.

[MikeIsGood]

Counter argument on Kuminga:

He’s a fantastic finisher which is a critical difference vs Kuzma.

He’s only 22 (Kuzma is 29) and hasn’t had a consistent role on the Warriors to date.

Bucks have all the shots he could ever hope for available to see what he can do.

All that said if we don’t think he’d be a big step up defensively over Kuzma I’m probably out too considering the cost. Whether Kuminga can keep up with 3’s as opposed to really being a tweener 4 is key.

There's a reason for that, you know.

[MikeIsGood]

Kuminga has a lot of talent but he doesn't have a clue how to play (winning) basketball. If he couldn't make it work in that GS system that is a major red flag for me. Hard pass.

To be fair the Warriors like him just not $25M+ per long term it seems.

He was also just a bad fit btw Draymond and Wiggins and now Jimmy.

Despite his talent, Kuminga’s propensity to look for his shot at the expense of the flow of Golden State’s offense has irked the coaching staff. During a late-season game against the Blazers, team sources say Kerr was incensed after several instances in which Kuminga looked off Curry to create his own offense. Kuminga subsequently received DNPs in the Warriors’ regular-season finale against the Clippers and then again in their play-in matchup against the Grizzlies. By the start of the playoffs, many within the organization wondered whether Kuminga, who is eligible for an extension, had played his last game as a Warrior.

https://www.theringer.com/2025/05/14/nba/golden-state-warriors-steph-curry-injury-nba-playoffs-2025

This doesn't scream "they like him" to me.

[Ron Swanson]

This is where Horst being a trash negotiator really hurts us. Absolute no-brainer to turn Kuz into either of those guys (Kuminga, Barrett) if all I have to do is throw in Andre, Tyler Smith, a 2nd, whatever. But you just know that Toronto and Golden State are saying they need AJ Green and a 2032 pick swap in the deal because there's a better than decent chance that Horst is gonna cave based on past precedent.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The urgency to trade Kuz now is Doc will absolutely start him at SF from game 1 to game 82.

“Listen, Kuz — he’s just one of those guys. He walks in the gym and thinks he’s the best player on the floor. And some nights, he is. Some nights he’s not — but he still thinks he is, and honestly, that kind of confidence is contagious. He’s versatile, he competes, and he’s not afraid to take the tough shots. I’ve had guys who hide in big moments — Kuz isn’t one of them. That’s why he’s starting all 82. I told the staff, ‘We’re riding with Kuz — even if he shows up wearing a pink fur coat, he’s starting.’ And honestly? I respect that.”

-Doc, probably

if Doc did say that hes not wrong tho

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

This is where Horst being a trash negotiator really hurts us. Absolute no-brainer to turn Kuz into either of those guys (Kuminga, Barrett) if all I have to do is throw in Andre, Tyler Smith, a 2nd, whatever. But you just know that Toronto and Golden State are saying they need AJ Green and a 2032 pick swap in the deal because there's a better than decent chance that Horst is gonna cave based on past precedent.

the first deal i do. the 2nd options no way.

green alone is worth more than kuminga or barrett imo

[Licensed to Il]

AJ Green is not untouchable, he's a solid 3+D guard with a little more 3 than D. However, he's cost controlled, a high effort guy, he can maintain those shooting percentages with higher usage, and the second we traded him, a player exactly like I described would be our major need. So yeah, I'd deal him if it got us off Kuz's contract and netted us a more dynamic young player. But anything short of that, he's a keeper.

I basically agree with you (although I'd have a very high standard for the dynamic young player) but I think the 3+D label has taken a beating after many years of being applied to guys who are not very effective at either 3 or D or both. AJ is a true quick-trigger high-accuracy shooter who is also a legitimately good perimeter defender. There is real scarcity of shooters at his level, and the guys who can also defend narrows it further, and then you add the fact that he rarely **** up... not only would trading him create a major need, it would be a very challenging need to fill.

It's a similar scenario to Midds where we'd be trading a guy who's worth more to us on the court than he's likely to be worth on the market, with the added kicker that he's just entering his prime. So we'd probably get worse in any trade while throwing away the opportunity to lock up an undervalued player long term.

I guess I just see the board (like always) dividing in to one of two extremes (Green is untouchable, vs Green is overrated). I'm trying to thread the needle that shows his unique value, while acknowledging he's not an all star.

Interesting exercise for the board, to what degree does your perception of our guy's value change if they hit your "reasonable expectations?" For example, if AJ Green starts for us, or even gets to the 20+ minutes level, and maintains his efficiency numbers, I think he's theoretically a 15+ mil a year guy on the open market. Likewise, but to a lesser degree, Porter Jr and Trent and Rollins could all be in line for major raises if the upcoming season plays out as I envision.