Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[hardyshuffles]

Please don't tell me they are trading Jennings and Bogut together, ^%$ sake, Bogut and Jennings cannot play together, anyone can witness that with the bucks. Trade one and keep the other which ever way that is.

[JustinCredible]

A Steph Curry and Brandon Jennings backcourt would keep me excited. I would much rather have that then sending Jennings to Toronto for Bargnani. Not very interested in a Center that can't rebound or defend.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Thanks for your insight. I miss being in the Squad as well and will definitely miss having Bogut if he goes. However, I am also a Bucks fan first and want to do whatever we need to do to put together the best team possible. I'm not sure how I feel about the trades you mention but if they throw in Klay Thompson it might not be too bad. The biggest concern would be Curry's ankle.

I agree about trading Bogut, but I'm not sure Curry makes us that much better over the next 4 years. He seems just as big of an injury risk as Bogut and I'm a little worried about what he will do in a non-GS system. Defensively, we just take a massive of hit trading Jennings/Bogut for Curry/Bargnani.

[Baddy Chuck]

Please don't tell me they are trading Jennings and Bogut together, ^%$ sake, Bogut and Jennings cannot play together, anyone can witness that with the bucks. Trade one and keep the other which ever way that is.

Again, Bogut played by far his best basketball on both ends of the court when Jennings was the starting guard. Jennings certainly doesn't seem to have changed, Bogut just regressed. They can, and have worked. The key now is Bogut changing his game plan, he isn't a guy you can feed on offense anymore.

[Baddy Chuck]

Ersan screams CV to me. His production may not completely fall off, he probably won't be injured and he will still try but we will be paying him for production he won't produce IMO. He'll be a nice player, not near as bad a contract as CV, but he won't play up anywhere near his contract will require.

[MrLynch07]

There are multiple euro teams that are willing to pay him 5 mil a year , he's going wherever he's paid most, that means were, paying him at least 6 mill a year atleast.

[Miasma]

@KenBergerCBS -Bucks talking with Rockets, Warriors with a Dwight Howard component

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/ ... 4080937985

[europa]

@KenBergerCBS -Bucks talking with Rockets, Warriors with a Dwight Howard component

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/ ... 4080937985

he Warriors would get Bogut from the Bucks and send Ellis to Orlando as part of the Magic's efforts to persuade Dwight Howard that they are prepared to continue surrounding him with top-flight talent. The Magic are exploring multiple scenarios to upgrade their roster in the hopes that Howard would then relent on his strategy to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

Howard remained noncommittal about his future plans Monday, despite the Magic's latest efforts to appease him, sources said. While it's unclear whether Orlando executives have set a hard deadline to get an answer from their star center, league sources believe the Magic need to get some direction from Howard by Wednesday or will move forward with the next phase of their strategy -- deciding whether to trade him or keep him beyond Thursday's trade deadline and hope he has a change of heart in the summer.

Houston's efforts to acquire Bogut would be a less complicated, two-deal deal with Milwaukee in which many scenarios have been discussed. Among them, Milwaukee would get Samuel Dalembert, Courtney Lee and draft picks, sources said. The Rockets also presumably would have to take back Stephen Jackson, who has clashed with Bucks coach Scott Skiles and is owed $10 million next season.

Milwaukee also has discussed various trade scenarios with Washington for Bogut, but while that would be another acceptable destination to the 7-foot Australian, the Wizards' overtures thus far have been shot down. Washington, however, could re-enter the fray depending on how the complicated possibilities with Golden State, Orlando and Houston play out over the next 48 hours.

[Miasma]

Whole article

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-b ... -on-dwight

[Baddy Chuck]

@KenBergerCBS -Bucks talking with Rockets, Warriors with a Dwight Howard component

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/ ... 4080937985

Hammond trying to murder the team on his way out IMO.

[trwi7]

The Rockets and Warriors are discussing ways to acquire center Andrew Bogut from Milwaukee, with the Golden State scenario part of a complicated, three-team proposal that would send Monta Ellis to Orlando, multiple league sources told CBSSports.com.

The Warriors would get Bogut from the Bucks and send Ellis to Orlando as part of the Magic's efforts to persuade Dwight Howard that they are prepared to continue surrounding him with top-flight talent. The Magic are exploring multiple scenarios to upgrade their roster in the hopes that Howard would then relent on his strategy to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

Howard remained noncommittal about his future plans Monday, despite the Magic's latest efforts to appease him, sources said. While it's unclear whether Orlando executives have set a hard deadline to get an answer from their star center, league sources believe the Magic need to get some direction from Howard by Wednesday or will move forward with the next phase of their strategy -- deciding whether to trade him or keep him beyond Thursday's trade deadline and hope he has a change of heart in the summer.

Houston's efforts to acquire Bogut would be a less complicated, two-deal deal with Milwaukee in which many scenarios have been discussed. Among them, Milwaukee would get Samuel Dalembert, Courtney Lee and draft picks, sources said. The Rockets also presumably would have to take back Stephen Jackson, who has clashed with Bucks coach Scott Skiles and is owed $10 million next season, or the Bucks would need to find another home for him.

Milwaukee also has discussed various trade scenarios with Washington for Bogut, but while that would be another acceptable destination to the 7-foot Australian, the Wizards' overtures thus far have been shot down. Washington, however, could re-enter the fray depending on how the complicated possibilities with Golden State, Orlando and Houston play out over the next 48 hours.

[BuckPack]

Woelful is a reporter, not a Bucks employee. I understand why BuckPack can't divulge specifics because it will get back that his source has leaked and could cost them their livelihood, but when people talk to Gery they know they are talking to a reporter

Why is it any different for BuckPack than it is for Woelfel? Both are definitely very credible sources. BuckPack is far more selective with what he passes on, that is the biggest difference.

You answered your own question. Gery can't divulge specifics for the same reason BuckPack can't. For the same reason I, or anyone else that becomes privy to any inside info can't. If you get into too many specifics, it is too easy for that leak to get traced back to its source. Not only might that be problematic for the source, but it also tends to burn the source that could be useful for the future. They either won't be trusted enough to have info in the future and/or they won't give you that info anymore because they gave it to you with the caveat that you not divulge the specifics and you did not heed their wishes.

Word gets around that you don't keep your word and are willing to burn your sources, people stop talking to you and giving you useful info that isn't public knowledge. Then you end up having no information to pass on that is of any interest. Then what?

Even though the info that was provided by Woelfel & BuckPack wasn't completely specific, was it not useful info that we've been discussing? Most certainly it was

Great post, GAD.

As for Gery...he may throw a lot of **** against the wall, but he's nailed some things as well. From what I've heard, he's providing a decent amount of truth with quite a bit of hot air. Concentrate on his little nuggets, not the hyperbole nor the predictions of seismic changes.

I'd be very surprised if the Bucks traded Jennings and Bogut in the same deal. Separate ones, perhaps--but not in the same deal. Again, I'd be quite surprised if they actually dealt Jennings before the deadline in the first place. This team has fought back to being the likely 8 seed--does anyone think this organization is going to do a complete blowup with 24 games left?

One more thing, (and I'm not saying that this is the deal), but I've seen some posters say they'd prefer a top 3/5 lottery protected first this year for Bogut. Would you really take Terrance Robinson for Bogut? I love draft picks, but to think that would carry significantly less risk than some other trade for a more established commodity (who likely comes w/ risk of his/their own) seems a little naive to me. There's a lot of risk I'd take with (an)other piece(s) instead of Tristan Thompson as my centerpiece.

[JayMKE]

excuse me, I have to throw up

[europa]

So it would appear we have:

Golden State likely offering Curry as the main piece for Bogut.

The Rockets offering complete and total garbage for Bogut (their pick is likely to be late lottery at best).

The Wizards offering who knows. They're not trading Wall and I can't believe they'd offer their 2012 first. There's nothing else on their roster that would get me to even consider trading with them for Bogut.

[paulpressey25]

Ken Berger is an asshat. He's worse than Woelfel.

Now with that out of the way, maybe a scenario would look like this.

Bucks out: Bogut and Jackson
Bucks in: Klay Thompson, Kwame expiring, Udoh, Ryan Andersen, ORL first.

Orlando out: Andersen, Hedo, first.
Orlando in: Ellis, Jackson

GSW Out: Monta, Klay, Kwame
GSW in: Hedo, Bogut

I think that works or is close.

[htr]

I'd rather have Martin than Lee, but if I could get the NYK 2012 first and Houston's own 2012 first in addition, I approve.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

The more I read about these rumored deals, the more I'd rather stand pat. Some of these deals are getting pretty awful... Dalembert and Courtney Lee? Gross.

[worthlessBucks]

Guess Woelfel was a bit off having heard that Houston was out it. In his defense, things change on a dime I'm sure. In any event, I know what I'd want from a Houston package and given what we know about the Bucks and the way they operate, we will not receive it. No thank you to Martin, no thank you to Dalembert. Let's see some combination of the following: rights to Motiejunas, Patterson, Scola (to be moved elsewhere), and a draft pick. Kevin Martin will look great in his Bucks uniform.

[blkout]

Dalembert and Courtney Lee lol

[paul]

Woelful is a reporter, not a Bucks employee. I understand why BuckPack can't divulge specifics because it will get back that his source has leaked and could cost them their livelihood, but when people talk to Gery they know they are talking to a reporter

Why is it any different for BuckPack than it is for Woelfel? Both are definitely very credible sources. BuckPack is far more selective with what he passes on, that is the biggest difference.

You answered your own question. Gery can't divulge specifics for the same reason BuckPack can't. For the same reason I, or anyone else that becomes privy to any inside info can't. If you get into too many specifics, it is too easy for that leak to get traced back to its source. Not only might that be problematic for the source, but it also tends to burn the source that could be useful for the future. They either won't be trusted enough to have info in the future and/or they won't give you that info anymore because they gave it to you with the caveat that you not divulge the specifics and you did not heed their wishes.

Word gets around that you don't keep your word and are willing to burn your sources, people stop talking to you and giving you useful info that isn't public knowledge. Then you end up having no information to pass on that is of any interest. Then what?

Even though the info that was provided by Woelfel & BuckPack wasn't completely specific, was it not useful info that we've been discussing? Most certainly it was

Great post, GAD.

As for Gery...he may throw a lot of **** against the wall, but he's nailed some things as well. From what I've heard, he's providing a decent amount of truth with quite a bit of hot air. Concentrate on his little nuggets, not the hyperbole nor the predictions of seismic changes.

I'd be very surprised if the Bucks traded Jennings and Bogut in the same deal. Separate ones, perhaps--but not in the same deal. Again, I'd be quite surprised if they actually dealt Jennings before the deadline in the first place. This team has fought back to being the likely 8 seed--does anyone think this organization is going to do a complete blowup with 24 games left?

One more thing, (and I'm not saying that this is the deal), but I've seen some posters say they'd prefer a top 3/5 lottery protected first this year for Bogut. Would you really take Terrance Robinson for Bogut? I love draft picks, but to think that would carry significantly less risk than some other trade for a more established commodity (who likely comes w/ risk of his/their own) seems a little naive to me. There's a lot of risk I'd take with (an)other piece(s) instead of Tristan Thompson as my centerpiece.

People on this board grossly over value draft picks as a rule BuckPack, always have, particularly over established good players.

The bolded part of your post is exactly what I've been saying - likely 5% good info, 95% hot air.