Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

Baddy Chuck · Post #2121 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:20 am

VooDoo7 wrote:Let's not forget Monroe played with Jennings for the past 1.5 years. And Knight before that. Poor guy.

Those Hibbert stats are playing with Rodney Stuckey :dontknow:

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drew881 · Post #2122 » by **drew881** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:20 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:lets just trade for pekovic and save some money if were gonna go this route.

I get we need to spend the money but i don't think this is the best way

Sometimes I really wish we could down vote on this board.

TroyD92 · Post #2123 » by **TroyD92** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:20 am

AussieBuck wrote:Hibbert being better than Monroe isn't news is it?

Does that account for Hibbert being the softest player to ever play NBA basketball?

Garden Of Edens · Post #2124 » by **Garden Of Edens** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:21 am

Anyone else refreshing their twitter every 2 seconds? We need Monroe!

ZeppelinPage · Post #2125 » by **ZeppelinPage** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:21 am

Hibbert can't rebound and he's 7'2"

WiscoKing13 · Post #2126 » by **WiscoKing13** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:21 am

Wisky3 wrote:Around the office, Hibbert is the butt end of every joke. I could not fathom what would happen to me and my fandom is we would land Hibbert. PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

Seems like a logical reason to pass on hibbert.

Bernman · Post #2127 » by **Bernman** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:21 am

That's kind of twisting stats.

Per 36 minutes Hibbert scored 15 points and on a ts% of 50.1. Monroe was 18 on 54.9%. That's a substantial difference in volume in conjunction with efficiency.

Monroe also averaged 2.4 assists per 36 to 1.6 for Hibbert.

In addition, Monroe had better efficiency and passing #'s relative to himself when he wasn't playing next to the rangeless Drummond, and that was in his first two seasons.

Hibbert's been playing with West.

Monroe is a far better offensive player. There's no denying it.

He's also a better rebounder.

He's also younger, so has more potential left.

All Hibbert has going for him in the comparison is defense. That's significant, but then factor in the Kidd effect on Henson's and Zaza's rim protection #'s, and Monroe is a way better fit.

crkone · Post #2128 » by **crkone** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:21 am

TroyD92 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Hibbert being better than Monroe isn't news is it?

Does that account for Hibbert being the softest player to ever play NBA basketball?

Needs more swag. I agree...

MiltownHawkeye · Post #2129 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:22 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:lets just trade for pekovic and save some money if were gonna go this route.

I get we need to spend the money but i don't think this is the best way

Nah that just seems like half-assing it. Pekovic isn't really better than Monroe in any appreciable way, he's older, he's injury-prone, and he's a black hole which is the main deal-killer for me.

I believe that after not even getting in the room with Gasol/Aldridge/Jordan (not my taste), we should just sign a Koufos/KOQ/Ajinca/Wright type who can at least be a quality 3rd big with starter upside, for a cheap and reasonable contract. Then spend the rest on a shooter.

But we seem committed to making a splash, and Monroe is probably the most talented guy reasonably available to us. And he's only 24. I wish he could shoot and his post game is a little overrated but I see how he could grow into a really good fit.

newerabucks · Post #2130 » by **newerabucks** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:23 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:We have to take into account Detroit's situation when evaluating Monroe. Four coaches in five seasons, very **** teammates. We're offering structure & stability like he's never seen before. Much more so than NY & Portland. Could be appealing.

He was also playing out of position in Detroit. We are the better choice for him than NY - by far I think. Could he be using the Knicks to leverage us? 8-)

AussieBuck · Post #2131 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:23 am

bigkurty wrote:Why the heck does the rest of Hibbert's advanced stats look so pedestrian then?

If you're referring to his TS% he doesn't draw fouls or take many of his shots at the rim. His RAPM numbers are consistently good though even on offense IIRC. Happy Hibbert was awesome, current Hibbert is still a good player.

bigkurty · Post #2132 » by **bigkurty** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:23 am

Wisky3 wrote:I would hate life if we got Hibbert. I live in Indianapolis... Hibbert is a complete mess, they would give him to us for nothing. Around the office, Hibbert is the butt end of every joke. I could not fathom what would happen to me and my fandom is we would land Hibbert. PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

I haven't watched him enough. What are his issues? Just slow and cant defend a pick and roll?

TroyD92 · Post #2133 » by **TroyD92** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:24 am

crkone wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Hibbert being better than Monroe isn't news is it?

Does that account for Hibbert being the softest player to ever play NBA basketball?

Needs more swag. I agree...

We all need swag, but on an alpha scale Hibbert is easily negative Wiggins.

VooDoo7 · Post #2134 » by **VooDoo7** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:25 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:Let's not forget Monroe played with Jennings for the past 1.5 years. And Knight before that. Poor guy.

Those Hibbert stats are playing with Rodney Stuckey .

Monroe also played with Stuckey for 4-5 years.

xTitan · Post #2135 » by **xTitan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:25 am

Lol afraid David West is still in play

AussieBuck · Post #2136 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:26 am

TroyD92 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Hibbert being better than Monroe isn't news is it?

Does that account for Hibbert being the softest player to ever play NBA basketball?

Still a much better defender than Monroe.

Post #2137 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:27 am

AussieBuck wrote:
bigkurty wrote:Why the heck does the rest of Hibbert's advanced stats look so pedestrian then?

If you're referring to his TS% he doesn't draw fouls or take many of his shots at the rim. His RAPM numbers are consistently good though even on offense IIRC. Happy Hibbert was awesome, current Hibbert is still a good player.

You use Hibbert situationally like the Warriors did with Bogut. Would work fine here. I'm still not sure where in this defense Monroe fits as far as guarding the post and rotating out to trap the guy with the ball.

We could likely absorb Hibbert's contract right now assuming the cap is that $1 to $2 million higher as projected.

TroyD92 · Post #2138 » by **TroyD92** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:27 am

bigkurty wrote:
Wisky3 wrote:I would hate life if we got Hibbert. I live in Indianapolis... Hibbert is a complete mess, they would give him to us for nothing. Around the office, Hibbert is the butt end of every joke. I could not fathom what would happen to me and my fandom is we would land Hibbert. PLEASE OH PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

I haven't watched him enough. What are his issues? Just slow and cant defend a pick and roll?

He has the mentality of a teenage girl who was just dumped by her first boyfriend.

Rendei · Post #2139 » by **Rendei** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:29 am

Monroe's a career double double guy with a FG% of 50. He might give up a dunk or two, but he wont get pushed around all night.

I want a center who pushes other people around for a change. Not that Zaza was bad in that regard.

Cold Crush 24 · Post #2140 » by **Cold Crush 24** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:29 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomjdickerson/status/616411088939282432[/tweet]

Agreed.