Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

JustinCredible · Post #2141 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:01 am

europa wrote:Ken Berger ‏ @KBergCBS Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Person involved in the talks says Rockets have now backed away from Bogut discussions to pursue another deal. Stay tuned.

Woelful may have been right about Houston being out of the mix.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #2142 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:02 am

europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

That may be his ceiling but it's a bit of an outlier and it ultimately led to a bad signing.

nle2367 · Post #2143 » by **nle2367** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:04 am

paul wrote:
nle2367 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:If Curry was completely healthy we wouldn't even be having a conversation about him. Take a risk and hope you can get a great young player for the future.

If Curry is healthy right now, We wouldn't be trading him away. lol.

Yeah the same could be said about Bogut.

hahaha. yup, thats why we're trading partner.

Serge28 · Post #2144 » by **Serge28** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:04 am

europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

haubrich91 · Post #2145 » by **haubrich91** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:04 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
wichmae wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Where is this Jennings for Bargnani stuff coming from?

No idea

Woelfel said something about Jennings for a good big and not over 26.

It's obviously Dwight.

europa · Post #2146 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:05 am

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

That may be his ceiling but it's a bit of an outlier and it ultimately led to a bad signing.

The decision to re-sign Salmons doesn't negate the greatness of the Salmons trade in my opinion. Those were two separate personnel moves.

More relevant, though, is the fact Hammond has never traded the best player on his roster before. So there's really no precedent involved in terms of accurately predicting what kind of return he may get for Bogut. This is a whole new ballgame for Hammond and the Bucks (who rarely trade away their best players; Ray was the last one dealt).

europa · Post #2147 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:06 am

Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

Yeah that's what I'm lacking all right - the inability to expect long-term success for this team. Good call there on your part.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2148 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:08 am

The Salmons trade wasn't even a great deal, it was a complete no brainer. A **** puppet would've made that deal.

JayMKE · Post #2149 » by **JayMKE** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:08 am

europa wrote:Ken Berger ‏ @KBergCBS Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Person involved in the talks says Rockets have now backed away from Bogut discussions to pursue another deal. Stay tuned.

thank you god

Serge28 · Post #2150 » by **Serge28** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:08 am

europa wrote:More relevant, though, is the fact Hammond has never traded the best player on his roster before. So there's really no precedent involved in terms of accurately predicting what kind of return he may get for Bogut. This is a whole new ballgame for Hammond and the Bucks (who rarely trade away their best players; Ray was the last one dealt).

And that worked out great, right?

Cause Kohl's record as an owner and Hammond's record as a GM sure make one trust their supposed NBA expertise ...

europa · Post #2151 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:09 am

Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:More relevant, though, is the fact Hammond has never traded the best player on his roster before. So there's really no precedent involved in terms of accurately predicting what kind of return he may get for Bogut. This is a whole new ballgame for Hammond and the Bucks (who rarely trade away their best players; Ray was the last one dealt).

And that worked out great, right?

Please point out where in that sentence I said that it did.

Serge28 · Post #2152 » by **Serge28** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:09 am

europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

Yeah that's what I'm lacking all right - the inability to expect long-term success for this team. Good call there on your part.

If you really do think that Salmons trade was great for the future of our franchise and not for a short second half of season stretch, then yeah - I think it's a great call on my part.

paul · Post #2153 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:10 am

Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

LOL, what a truly ridiculous thing to say to try to combat a lost argument. You said his ceiling was trading crap for crap, you were corrected. Whether Salmons was given an extension the next year is completely irrelevant to the evaluation of that trade, which was fantastic to the Bucks as a trade in isolation. That's another discussion entirely.

Serge28 · Post #2154 » by **Serge28** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:11 am

europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:More relevant, though, is the fact Hammond has never traded the best player on his roster before. So there's really no precedent involved in terms of accurately predicting what kind of return he may get for Bogut. This is a whole new ballgame for Hammond and the Bucks (who rarely trade away their best players; Ray was the last one dealt).

And that worked out great, right?

Please point out where in that sentence I said that it did.

Then why ever bring it up?

skones · Post #2155 » by **skones** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:11 am

Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:His ceiling is trading crap for crap, so...

His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

Have you read this board? When Salmons was signed two offseasons ago, I was CERTAINLY in the minority as it pertained to my hatred of the Salmons signing. So, to be fair, the whole, "capacity for having long term franchise success expectations" is pretty damn relative.

Anyone who says that trade didn't work out, is in full denial.

europa · Post #2156 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:11 am

Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:
Serge28 wrote:I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

Yeah that's what I'm lacking all right - the inability to expect long-term success for this team. Good call there on your part.

If you really do think that Salmons trade was great for the future of our franchise and not for a short second half of season stretch, then yeah - I think it's a great call on my part.

Where did I say the Salmons trade was great for the future of the Bucks' franchise. Please point that out in the post I made.

paul · Post #2157 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:11 am

JayMKE wrote:
europa wrote:Ken Berger ‏ @KBergCBS Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Person involved in the talks says Rockets have now backed away from Bogut discussions to pursue another deal. Stay tuned.

thank you god

I suspect they were told to take their crap and try to sell it elsewhere lol. More a retreat than a back away I'm guessing.

xTitan · Post #2158 » by **xTitan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:12 am

The reality of the situation is that Hammond very well might hold the fate of this franchise staying in Milwaukee with a couple decisions he makes this week....I have no faith he will make the correct choice.

skones · Post #2159 » by **skones** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:13 am

xTitan wrote:The reality of the situation is that Hammond very well might hold the fate of this franchise staying in Milwaukee with a couple decisions he makes this week....I have no faith he will make the correct choice.

+1

How sad is this?

Serge28 · Post #2160 » by **Serge28** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:13 am

paul wrote:
Serge28 wrote:
europa wrote:His ceiling thus far for trades has been the Salmons trade which was a ridiculously great trade for the Bucks.

I laugh at your expectations or rather your lack of capacity for having long-term franchise success expectations.

LOL, what a truly ridiculous thing to say to try to combat a lost argument. You said his ceiling was trading crap for crap, you were corrected. Whether Salmons was given an extension the next year is completely irrelevant to the evaluation of that trade, which was fantastic to the Bucks as a trade in isolation. That's another discussion entirely.

Lost argument? What the hell are you talking about? Salmons WAS crap! He just happened to play out of his mind for like 30 games for us. Then Hammond signed him to a huge deal and he reverted back to his usual crap self. At which point Hammond did his thing and traded crap-for-crap.