Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[Siefer]

I like Saric, but not over guys like Gordon and Stauskas.

[Aaron It Out]

Saric had a lot to gain by saying he wanted to go to LA/BOS. He's slotted in that 7-10 range so getting those teams interested not only bumps him a couple spots up the rookie pay scale but also puts him in a fantastic market to play in. Hard to blame him for saying that (if he was even the one who said it).

[Zeezprah]

Not a chance in a million years.

how so? it happens all the time with euros.

I agree that Saric isn't really a good fit here, but is this part actually true? I feel like Vazquez is one of few, hence why he's remembered so well for never coming over.

i shouldn't have said all the time, but it's not unique or anything. joel freeland didn't come over for 6 years for example. petteri kopenen never came over. these are late first round guys, but still. i think teams are much more cautious about things since the fran vasquez situation, as they should be.

no reason to waste an early pick on a guy who seems to have no issue staying in europe for several more years.

and no that's not cool. i want these players building chemistry and growing together. i don't want my high draft picks stashed over in europe. that's what 2nd rounders are for.

[Aaron It Out]

Something tells me a couple billionaires would have something to say to convince him.

If we plan on paying him under the table like Prokhorov did w/ AK47 ("allegedly") to lure him to our team, we shouldn't be making it public on a fan forum.

Definitely not what I was trying to imply at all. I just we're going to have a lot less of a hard time convincing people to play for Milwaukee with competent, deep pocketed owners.

[Bernman]

I agree that Saric isn't really a good fit here, but is this part actually true? I feel like Vazquez is one of few, hence why he's remembered so well for never coming over.

Petteri Koponen is the only other one in the 1st who long-term hasn't come over since 2000. Mirotic was drafted in 2011 and still hasn't made the move yet. It's really not much of a concern with higher drafted guys who will get paid well off the bat, have more potential to make the big bucks here in the long run, and would play for higher stakes. But waiting a couple years to come over is frustrating. I know some here like the idea of tanking more, but I just want to try to win with young talent ASAP. Then 30's will likely become 40's and 40's will become 50's. We especially need to have that happen with our current arena situation, so he'd be a risky pick even though in all likelihood he'd eventually make the switch.

[sherm]

Something tells me a couple billionaires would have something to say to convince him.

If we plan on paying him under the table like Prokhorov did w/ AK47 ("allegedly") to lure him to our team, we shouldn't be making it public on a fan forum.

WHY would we even consider doing that with him. It would be different if it was a cant miss product, but a mid lottery player?? Makes no sense.

Go with smart randle or vonleh. And each of those players can play along side of whoever we chose at 2

[JayMKE]

I agree that Saric isn't really a good fit here, but is this part actually true? I feel like Vazquez is one of few, hence why he's remembered so well for never coming over.

Petteri Koponen is the only other one in the 1st who long-term hasn't come over since 2000. Mirotic was drafted in 2011 and still hasn't made the move yet. It's really not much of a concern with higher drafted guys who will get paid well off the bat, have more potential to make the big bucks here in the long run, and would play for higher stakes. But waiting a couple years to come over is frustrating. I know some here like the idea of tanking more, but I just want to try to win with young talent ASAP. Then 30's will likely become 40's and 40's will become 50's. We especially need to have that happen with our current arena situation, so he'd be a risky pick even though in all likelihood he'd eventually make the switch.

Frédéric Weis is another dude, drafted in 99 and never came over.

tbf tho who can blame him...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKs27PsL2Q[/youtube]

[El Duderino]

Parker's a much bigger guy who can help on the boards and can score in a larger variety of ways - inside and out - as well as taking his man off the dribble.

I think Parker will be better (impact wise) but Redd was a pretty complete scorer in his own right, can't imagine Parker having many more tools in that regard.

I'm not trying to compare these two players given they play/played completely different positions, but i do think many forget just how often Redd got to the free throw line in his prime. Over a three year stretch he averaged 7.1/7.8/6.8 free throw attempts per game which is a lot. There was an incorrect belief by some that he was mainly just a jump shooter.

[Bernman]

Definitely not what I was trying to imply at all. I just we're going to have a lot less of a hard time convincing people to play for Milwaukee with competent, deep pocketed owners.

I didn't think so, but if there was a wink afterward we'd have an investigation incoming from the league. You could have gotten intel from BP.

As far as your actual thinking, I kind of agree with you that they'll change attitudes about guys wanting to play here, but it might take time. Is that time we have right now? The good news to relax us a little bit was Lasry disclosed during the media blitz that the 2017 deadline from the league is tentative. He said it's more like 3-4 years, which could be extended if they are showing good faith. Still, I wouldn't risk it with Saric. It's more a pick I might make a few years later when they have already built up some good will toward Milwaukee and the arena is being built.

[paulpressey25]

Chad Ford ........

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/uk ... /10336835/

On Randle's NBA draft stock right now: "I think his (draft) range is 6-10. His range is probably even a little narrower than that: six to eight. I think he'll get a long look in Boston. I think he'll get a long look in L.A. I think he'll get a really long look in Sacramento. If he slides to Charlotte, even though they drafted Cody Zeller, they're very different players and I think they would take a look. And I can't imagine Philly, that really doesn't even have a power forward, letting him get past them.

"I've heard (Randle) is not particularly high on the board in Utah. They'll probably go, if (Dante) Exum is there, with Exum or Noah Vonleh or Aaron Gordon. And some of this is just the way that the draft (lottery) worked out. Like, the Bucks were very high on Randle. They were one of the teams that liked him the most. But when they moved to the No. 2 pick, he's not going to be taken No. 2. But that's an example of a team that probably has him ranked as their top power forward in the draft. But there's other teams that have Vonleh there and, frankly, I think there's a couple teams – Boston may be one – that have Aaron Gordon ranked as the top power forward.

"I think they're all very close and I don't think it's that Randle's stock has slid as much as there's just three very good power forward prospects in this draft – maybe four with (Dario) Saric (from Croatia) – and they're all incredibly different. They all just have different games, and because they have different games, teams are looking at team needs and who fits the particular style of play and the other personnel they have on the floor."

[JayMKE]

Redd was probably one of the least gifted athletes in the NBA, a bigger or more athletic Redd would of been an amazing player

[Bucks_MacGyver]

I use to work at the Bradley center during those redd years... All I'm going to say is redd gave the bucks a bad rep around the NBA. Everyone referred us as the church boys...

If the bucks never drafted redd I believe they would of been in a better state right now. That's all.

[Matches Malone]

Chad Ford ........

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/uk ... /10336835/

On Randle's NBA draft stock right now: "I think his (draft) range is 6-10. His range is probably even a little narrower than that: six to eight. I think he'll get a long look in Boston. I think he'll get a long look in L.A. I think he'll get a really long look in Sacramento. If he slides to Charlotte, even though they drafted Cody Zeller, they're very different players and I think they would take a look. And I can't imagine Philly, that really doesn't even have a power forward, letting him get past them.

"I've heard (Randle) is not particularly high on the board in Utah. They'll probably go, if (Dante) Exum is there, with Exum or Noah Vonleh or Aaron Gordon. And some of this is just the way that the draft (lottery) worked out. Like, the Bucks were very high on Randle. They were one of the teams that liked him the most. But when they moved to the No. 2 pick, he's not going to be taken No. 2. But that's an example of a team that probably has him ranked as their top power forward in the draft. But there's other teams that have Vonleh there and, frankly, I think there's a couple teams – Boston may be one – that have Aaron Gordon ranked as the top power forward.

"I think they're all very close and I don't think it's that Randle's stock has slid as much as there's just three very good power forward prospects in this draft – maybe four with (Dario) Saric (from Croatia) – and they're all incredibly different. They all just have different games, and because they have different games, teams are looking at team needs and who fits the particular style of play and the other personnel they have on the floor."

Hmm. Interesting. I guess Randle could be that guy that Hammond is in love with in that 5-9 range. If they target Randle would that make taking Wiggins more likely at #2?

[Bernman]

WHY would we even consider doing that with him. It would be different if it was a cant miss product, but a mid lottery player?? Makes no sense.

Go with smart randle or vonleh. And each of those players can play along side of whoever we chose at 2

Well I was half kidding, but it's highly likely a measure like that wouldn't be necessary, and if it were it might be worth it if you're someone willing to bend the rules. He's already a pretty major player in Europe, could raise his status even more as he matures there, and threats could be lowering where he's projected somewhat. Of course that infamously happened with Dirk, who went 9th, to us, technically. He'd have been worth paying extra to, right?

[paulpressey25]

I love the Cav's fans assuming Wiggins wants to stay out of Milwaukee but has no issues with Cleveland.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php? ... ins/page68

[Turk Nowitzki]

Chad Ford ........

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/uk ... /10336835/

On Randle's NBA draft stock right now: "I think his (draft) range is 6-10. His range is probably even a little narrower than that: six to eight. I think he'll get a long look in Boston. I think he'll get a long look in L.A. I think he'll get a really long look in Sacramento. If he slides to Charlotte, even though they drafted Cody Zeller, they're very different players and I think they would take a look. And I can't imagine Philly, that really doesn't even have a power forward, letting him get past them.

"I've heard (Randle) is not particularly high on the board in Utah. They'll probably go, if (Dante) Exum is there, with Exum or Noah Vonleh or Aaron Gordon. And some of this is just the way that the draft (lottery) worked out. Like, the Bucks were very high on Randle. They were one of the teams that liked him the most. But when they moved to the No. 2 pick, he's not going to be taken No. 2. But that's an example of a team that probably has him ranked as their top power forward in the draft. But there's other teams that have Vonleh there and, frankly, I think there's a couple teams – Boston may be one – that have Aaron Gordon ranked as the top power forward.

"I think they're all very close and I don't think it's that Randle's stock has slid as much as there's just three very good power forward prospects in this draft – maybe four with (Dario) Saric (from Croatia) – and they're all incredibly different. They all just have different games, and because they have different games, teams are looking at team needs and who fits the particular style of play and the other personnel they have on the floor."

This makes me very happy that we didn't fall out of the top 3.

[El Duderino]

Redd was probably one of the least gifted athletes in the NBA, a bigger or more athletic Redd would of been an amazing player

That's a pretty big exaggeration about Redd. Yea he wasn't super quick or a great leaper, but he wasn't some terrible athlete either. His first step off the dribble was really good and part of why he got to the line so much.

The frustrating thing was Redd just didn't take his conditioning serious enough on a regular basis. A prime example was when he got on the Olympic team. He transformed his body from his typical soft/doughy look to one that was defined muscle. That really pissed me off at the time given he was collecting max contract dollars, but he only deemed it worth getting in great shape for the Olympic team.

[JayMKE]

I love the Cav's fans assuming Wiggins wants to stay out of Milwaukee but has no issues with Cleveland.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php? ... ins/page68

they think that Lebron is going to come back to team up with Kyrie making them some sort of destination

Cleveland...

[Bernman]

Redd was a good player. He just wasn't great (and was kind of selfish with the whole not taking long distance shots at the end of quarters, and implications that had on the rest of his game) to propel a team to relevance by himself, and joined a franchise at the wrong time (end of Big 3 era) plus who had a bad strategy to surround him with other good, young players. If 21-year old Redd was drafted this year, with Giannis already in the fold, and with a front office who was aggressive in acquiring multiple 1st round picks that same year, we might have been able to win a lot of games with Mike.

That said, I think Parker deserves better than the Big Dog and Redd comparisons/analogies that he receives, for the simple fact alone that he's quite a bit bigger. So he should be an even tougher match-up for opposing teams, and be a positive in at least one other area, like rebounding (11.5 rebs per 40 pace adjusted) or shot blocking/altering (1.2 blks in just over 30 minutes). Also, he'll likely at least try to make his teammates better. He comes across as a good guy, although so did Redd in fairness, and it didn't translate to that part of his game.

[Matches Malone]

I love the Cav's fans assuming Wiggins wants to stay out of Milwaukee but has no issues with Cleveland.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php? ... ins/page68

Just saw a poster say he feels for the Bucks...a Cavs fan said this... A CAVS FAN!