Giannis' Development

[Blublah]

I honestly can see Giannis averaging a triple double with 2 blocks/steals.... and that just seems so ridiculous to me...

[GoatMakerThon]

Watched the game this morning, whats up with calathas? he dribbles into crowds a lot

Can't greece find a better guard?

[turbostef]

The good thing is Giannis plays like with the Bucks on FIBA Level and it works until now

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[Prez]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

[Blublah]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

There was a pic on the last page where he looks even bigger.... and if he is comfortable at a heavier weight, without losing quickness or speed.....

[karson39]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

Nothing new on his shooting yet, improved PG skills(Ballhandling, Vision, etc), defended a 5' 10'' PG really good. Close your eyes, imagine a smarter 6' 11'' Westbrook with some shooting issues, thats the guy I saw in these friendly games.

[Topmosker]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

Watched the first period of today's game and the highlights of the previous one. Giannis seems noticeably better. Looks like he has a confidence boost and is embracing his new role as leader of the Greek team. As opposing teams are sagging to cut off his driving lanes, i expect Giannis to expand his shooting range, sth which is on top of every Buck's fans wish list.

[Presence]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

It's just two games and it's been impossible to measure if there's been any growth in any part of his game, he could be a great 3-point shooter for all we know.

The only obvious difference is that he's acting like a leader.

[Magic Giannison]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

Better ball handling, improved vision.passing/ Guarded from PG to Center and much more active on the perimeter defense.
He hasnt shot almost at all but from the 2 shots he took we can see that his form is improved and the release is quicker.
If last year was good year for him this year is gonna be insanely great.

[Mirotic12]

Watched the game this morning, whats up with calathas? he dribbles into crowds a lot

Can't greece find a better guard?

THANK YOU, now I can rant on Calathes again, and I better not get called out again by Greek "fans", because now NBA fans are seeing the same thing - how awful he is.

As I already said, IMO Calathes is the reason Greece lost all those recent tournaments. Ever since he joined the national team, everything fell apart, and every single time it was due to him. That's why I find it extremely pathetic that Greeks blamed other people for losses, even in this thread some Greeks defend Calathes endlessly.

He's the worst lead guard Greece has had in like 45 years, and I'm not exaggerating. He's the undeniable cancer of the national team, and until he is kicked off the team, Greece will be irrelevant.

It's amazing that anyone can watch that mega scrub Calathes play, and not realize he is the cause of all the team's problems. There is no way you can be successful with such a horrifically bad point guard as him. Just last summer, he was so awful, easily the worst player in the team, and all the other coaches left him wide open to double Spanoulis. Calathes just bricked a shot or was afraid to shoot, and then he made it impossible for Antetokounmpo to drive, or for Spanoulis to run pick and roll, because all the team's spacing was gone whenever he was on the court.

And the coach was too incompetent to bench Calathes. This same type of thing happens every year, and will happen again this year. But, there will be every other player on the team get the blame before the name of Calathes ever comes up, even though anyone that ever played organized basketball can immediately see he is the guy wrecking the team every time.

I think it's just Panathinaikos fans and also people that have clearly never ever payed basketball that defend Calathes' play. No one with even rudimentary basketball knowledge could possibly miss that he is a joke as far as point guards go. He is so much worse than any guard Greece had in recent years (Zisis, Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Sloukas, hell, even Mantzaris is better) that's it just ridiculous.

But just look in this thread, I objectively and factually called out Calathes (since he was factually why they lost every recent tournament), and immediately Greek "basketball experts" came running to his defense in this very thread. COF (Calathes Only Fans) are some of the worst basketball fans ever.

It's really funny though, because in any Euroleague forum, non-Greeks laugh at Calathes, and pretty much all say he is the worst point guard in Euroleague. Then the Greeks run right to his defense and claim how great he is. He is in reality an enormous scrub, and Greece has numerous guards that have never even sniffed the national team, that are much better than he is.

It is obviously nothing but the politics involved with the Panathinaikos basketball club (the team he plays on) as to why he is even selected for the national team. If it was not for the federation president being a Panathinaikos plant, then Calathes would not be anywhere near Greece's national team. If players were selected solely on how good they are, he would never sniff the national team.

I think it's funny though, because Greek media bashed Zisis and Spanoulis (both better than Calathes by miraculous levels), and all the moron casual fans out there believed they were somehow a "cancer" to the national team. Now that they had enough of the BS fake blaming placed on them, all these media clowns and fake fans are trying to figure out why Greece's guard play is suddenly the worst it has been in several decades.

It's just a matter of time until the Panathinaikos owner's pull can't keep the criticism off Calathes. And hopefully he finally gets booted out of the national team permanently. It's really amusing seeing Greeks think Greece's national team has any prospects at all as long as Calathes is the team's point guard. It just proves no one even contemplating that Greece has any prospects with Calathes has ever played any level of basketball.

[Blublah]

Watched the game this morning, whats up with calathas? he dribbles into crowds a lot

Can't greece find a better guard?

THANK YOU, now I can rant on Calathes again, and I better not get called out again by Greek "fans", because now NBA fans are seeing the same thing - how awful he is.

As I already said, IMO Calathes is the reason Greece lost all those recent tournaments. Ever since he joined the national team, everything fell apart, and every single time it was due to him. That's why I find it extremely pathetic that Greeks blamed other people for losses, even in this thread some Greeks defend Calathes endlessly.

He's the worst lead guard Greece has had in like 45 years, and I'm not exaggerating. He's the undeniable cancer of the national team, and until he is kicked off the team, Greece will be irrelevant.

It's amazing that anyone can watch that mega scrub Calathes play, and not realize he is the cause of all the team's problems. There is no way you can be successful with such a horrifically bad point guard as him. Just last summer, he was so awful, easily the worst player in the team, and all the other coaches left him wide open to double Spanoulis. Calathes just bricked a shot or was afraid to shoot, and then he made it impossible for Antetokounmpo to drive, or for Spanoulis to run pick and roll, because all the team's spacing was gone whenever he was on the court.

And the coach was too incompetent to bench Calathes. This same type of thing happens every year, and will happen again this year. But, there will be every other player on the team get the blame before the name of Calathes ever comes up, even though anyone that ever played organized basketball can immediately see he is the guy wrecking the team every time.

I think it's just Panathinaikos fans and also people that have clearly never ever payed basketball that defend Calathes' play. No one with even rudimentary basketball knowledge could possibly miss that he is a joke as far as point guards go. He is so much worse than any guard Greece had in recent years (Zisis, Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Sloukas, hell, even Mantzaris is better) that's it just ridiculous.

But just look in this thread, I objectively and factually called out Calathes (since he was factually why they lost every recent tournament), and immediately Greek "basketball experts" came running to his defense in this very thread. COF (Calathes Only Fans) are some of the worst basketball fans ever.

It's really funny though, because in any Euroleague forum, non-Greeks laugh at Calathes, and pretty much all say he is the worst point guard in Euroleague. Then the Greeks run right to his defense and claim how great he is. He is in reality an enormous scrub, and Greece has numerous guards that have never even sniffed the national team, that are much better than he is.

It is obviously nothing but the politics involved with the Panathinaikos basketball club (the team he plays on) as to why he is even selected for the national team. If it was not for the federation president being a Panathinaikos plant, then Calathes would not be anywhere near Greece's national team. If players were selected solely on how good they are, he would never sniff the national team.

I think it's funny though, because Greek media bashed Zisis and Spanoulis (both better than Calathes by miraculous levels), and all the moron casual fans out there believed they were somehow a "cancer" to the national team. Now that they had enough of the BS fake blaming placed on them, all these media clowns and fake fans are trying to figure out why Greece's guard play is suddenly the worst it has been in several decades.

It's just a matter of time until the Panathinaikos owner's pull can't keep the criticism of Calathes. And hopefully he finally gets booted out of the national team permanently. It's really amusing seeing Greeks think Greece's national team has any prospects at all as long as Calathes is the team's point guard. It just proves no one even contemplating that Greece has any prospects with Calathes has ever played any level of basketball.

Seriously.... I read the first three paragraphs of this and realized it was a hate piece on calathes..... which doesn't belong in our shrine to Giannis thread

[Presence]

Those of you who are actually watching all these games, what are you predictions for next year? How different does he look now compared to point Giannis from post all star break? About the same or noticeably better?

Better ball handling, improved vision.passing/ Guarded from PG to Center and much more active on the perimeter defense.
He hasnt shot almost at all but from the 2 shots he took we can see that his form is improved and the release is quicker.
If last year was good year for him this year is gonna be insanely great.

I didn't see better ball-handling or passing, I saw him being sloppy with the ball a bit. His form in shooting is the same as last April, which is fine, since it's the time he started releasing the ball faster.

Like I said, it's impossible to measure any kind of difference, especially in the shooting department given that:
1. His defender (Osman on most occasions) picked him up from 3/4 of the court whenever he brought the ball up.
2. His defender didn't sag off and went over screens when Giannis initiated a pick-roll play.

Both tactics are pretty clever to try and stop him both from driving with the zone-set that Turkey was playing in the front court (which eliminated the fact that Giannis can usually blow-by his on-ball defender in the NBA), and from chucking up long-range shots.

Turkey was bad in both games but they did their research on Giannis and limited his effect as much as possible with the lack of athleticism in their roster. Too bad for us who want to evaluate his game.

[SupremeHustle]

Watched the game this morning, whats up with calathas? he dribbles into crowds a lot

Can't greece find a better guard?

THANK YOU, now I can rant on Calath-

SKIP!

[karson39]

Watched the game this morning, whats up with calathas? he dribbles into crowds a lot

Can't greece find a better guard?

THANK YOU, now I can rant on Calathes again, and I better not get called out again by Greek "fans", because now NBA fans are seeing the same thing - how awful he is.

As I already said, IMO Calathes is the reason Greece lost all those recent tournaments. Ever since he joined the national team, everything fell apart, and every single time it was due to him. That's why I find it extremely pathetic that Greeks blamed other people for losses, even in this thread some Greeks defend Calathes endlessly.

He's the worst lead guard Greece has had in like 45 years, and I'm not exaggerating. He's the undeniable cancer of the national team, and until he is kicked off the team, Greece will be irrelevant.

It's amazing that anyone can watch that mega scrub Calathes play, and not realize he is the cause of all the team's problems. There is no way you can be successful with such a horrifically bad point guard as him. Just last summer, he was so awful, easily the worst player in the team, and all the other coaches left him wide open to double Spanoulis. Calathes just bricked a shot or was afraid to shoot, and then he made it impossible for Antetokounmpo to drive, or for Spanoulis to run pick and roll, because all the team's spacing was gone whenever he was on the court.

And the coach was too incompetent to bench Calathes. This same type of thing happens every year, and will happen again this year. But, there will be every other player on the team get the blame before the name of Calathes ever comes up, even though anyone that ever played organized basketball can immediately see he is the guy wrecking the team every time.

I think it's just Panathinaikos fans and also people that have clearly never ever payed basketball that defend Calathes' play. No one with even rudimentary basketball knowledge could possibly miss that he is a joke as far as point guards go. He is so much worse than any guard Greece had in recent years (Zisis, Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Sloukas, hell, even Mantzaris is better) that's it just ridiculous.

But just look in this thread, I objectively and factually called out Calathes (since he was factually why they lost every recent tournament), and immediately Greek "basketball experts" came running to his defense in this very thread. COF (Calathes Only Fans) are some of the worst basketball fans ever.

It's really funny though, because in any Euroleague forum, non-Greeks laugh at Calathes, and pretty much all say he is the worst point guard in Euroleague. Then the Greeks run right to his defense and claim how great he is. He is in reality an enormous scrub, and Greece has numerous guards that have never even sniffed the national team, that are much better than he is.

It is obviously nothing but the politics involved with the Panathinaikos basketball club (the team he plays on) as to why he is even selected for the national team. If it was not for the federation president being a Panathinaikos plant, then Calathes would not be anywhere near Greece's national team. If players were selected solely on how good they are, he would never sniff the national team.

I think it's funny though, because Greek media bashed Zisis and Spanoulis (both better than Calathes by miraculous levels), and all the moron casual fans out there believed they were somehow a "cancer" to the national team. Now that they had enough of the BS fake blaming placed on them, all these media clowns and fake fans are trying to figure out why Greece's guard play is suddenly the worst it has been in several decades.

It's just a matter of time until the Panathinaikos owner's pull can't keep the criticism off Calathes. And hopefully he finally gets booted out of the national team permanently. It's really amusing seeing Greeks think Greece's national team has any prospects at all as long as Calathes is the team's point guard. It just proves no one even contemplating that Greece has any prospects with Calathes has ever played any level of basketball.

WHY? Why in this forum? Why in this thread? Why so much hate? Why did I read this? JUST WHY!!
P.S. Calathes is a better defender than Spanoulis.

[Remon]

Seriously.... I read the first three paragraphs of this and realized it was a hate piece on calathes..... which doesn't belong in our shrine to Giannis thread

The guy is a known troll/Spanoulis fan. He started in Clutchfans back in 2006 when Spanoulis was playing there, went to Spurstalk when he was traded. He constantly posts about Span, maybe a few other players friendly to Span, gets banned a lot, changes a lot of accounts (KillBillPana/KBP in Spurs, European Basketball in nbadraft.net, can't remember his clutchfan accounts, he has multiple ones here to), he steals account names from different places and posts with them in other forums as to make those people sound stupid. Oh, and he's made greek players universally hated in a few places due to his shitposting. In general, a very disturbed person.

[Shaffty]

Anyone got a full game upload of this yet?

[Prez]

Anyone got a full game upload of this yet?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhTgHzxkgY[/youtube]

[KingKyrie1]

How much did Giannis score? I got my own prospect Cedi Osman right there

[Fotis St]

I will be honest once more.
Coach Katsikaris gave Giannis the PG role BUT he wants to follow his set plays which are not fit for Giannis.
For example for about 10 years greek point guards (like Diamantidis and many more) cuts to the basket and the set is to find the pass not to score, Greek points guard via the most Greek coaches, 90% go drive and kick out. So unfortunately I saw Giannis driving and kicking instead of shooting. So Giannis did a lot of turnovers, he actually left himself hanging in the air and try to pass it, that led to 2-3 turnovers. I watched Giannis all NBA games, and he didn't do this, so it coach Katsikaris fault cause his sets are useless.
Now for the record the guy above, despite the long post and some hate he brings, is correct about Calathes ... He doesn't fit at all with Giannis. He is Greek's NT shorter MCW. He can't shoot for his life, which damages the spacing needed for Giannis to operate. Mantzaris is a bad shooter too, another MCW. There is only one Greek PG that matches Giannis needs and the Greek NT needs, This is Kostas Sloukas he is currently not available cause of a light injury. Kostas Sloukas should be on the Buck's scouting list. He played offball with Spanoulis and they won the Euroleague. So Kostas Sloukas is a PG who can play offball and he is a great 3pt shooter, ring any bells?
Also Giannis must polish his FT routine and %. He is not didn't do well last game he was like 5/10 50% FT, which is really bad for him and should be alarming, cause his opponents are gonna foul him over and over again. In fact before hitting 3s, I would prefer from Giannis to go to that over 80% FT, he had in 2015 for some months.

[Magic Giannison]

How much did Giannis score? I got my own prospect Cedi Osman right there

17 points 6 assists 3 rebounds 3 steals 2 blocks.