Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[JayMKE]

Redd was probably one of the least gifted athletes in the NBA, a bigger or more athletic Redd would of been an amazing player

That's a pretty big exaggeration about Redd. Yea he wasn't super quick or a great leaper, but he wasn't some terrible athlete either. His first step off the dribble was really good and part of why he got to the line so much.

The frustrating thing was Redd just didn't take his conditioning serious enough on a regular basis. A prime example was when he got on the Olympic team. He transformed his body from his typical soft/doughy look to one that was defined muscle. That really pissed me off at the time given he was collecting max contract dollars, but he only deemed it worth getting in great shape for the Olympic team.

Maybe a bit of a hyperbole but he definitely got the most out of his physical ability, hard to call him even an average athlete when he couldn't dunk with blowing out his knee.

[TheWig]

I love the Cav's fans assuming Wiggins wants to stay out of Milwaukee but has no issues with Cleveland.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php? ... ins/page68

they think that Lebron is going to come back to team up with Kyrie making them some sort of destination

Cleveland...

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Redd was a good player. He just wasn't great (and was kind of selfish with the whole not taking long distance shots at the end of quarters, and implications that had on the rest of his game) to propel a team to relevance by himself, and joined a franchise at the wrong time (end of Big 3 era) plus who had a bad strategy to surround him with other good, young players. If 21-year old Redd was drafted this year, with Giannis already in the fold, and with a front office who was aggressive in acquiring multiple 1st round picks that same year, we might have been able to win a lot of games with Mike.

That said, I think Parker deserves better than the Big Dog and Redd comparisons/analogies that he receives, for the simple fact alone that he's quite a bit bigger. So he should be an even tougher match-up for opposing teams, and be a positive in at least one other area, like rebounding (11.5 rebs per 40 pace adjusted) or shot blocking/altering (1.2 blks in just over 30 minutes). Also, he'll likely at least try to make his teammates better. He comes across as a good guy, although so did Redd in fairness, and it didn't translate to that part of his game.

Bigger, far more explosive, and more skilled than both at the same age.

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I do wonder if Minnesota getting the #1 pick (for Love) would be one of the few instances that would allow for Embiid to possibly slip to #2.

[Bernman]

Bigger, far more explosive, and more skilled than both at the same age.

Yeah, he can jump well, especially when he gets a little running start (sometimes he gets WAY above the rim). Also, he has good long speed.

Those are things that I think get ignored about him, when he's classified as a bad athlete. All aspects of it are thrown together.

His athleticism is similar to Tobes' or Nick Johnson's to make a comparison from this draft. Their lateral quickness and fluidity appear below average for their ideal positions, but they actually can really run fast in a straight line and jump. That will have its benefits on the break, occasionally on o in the halfcourt, and sometimes in help d or on the boards (especially o).

[TroyD92]

Something tells me a couple billionaires would have something to say to convince him.

If we plan on paying him under the table like Prokhorov did w/ AK47 ("allegedly") to lure him to our team, we shouldn't be making it public on a fan forum.

WHY would we even consider doing that with him. It would be different if it was a cant miss product, but a mid lottery player?? Makes no sense.

Go with smart randle or vonleh. And each of those players can play along side of whoever we chose at 2

Except Randle. A Parker/Randle front court literally makes me gag.

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"on to the next one"

Hmmmmmm...

[El Duderino]

That said, I think Parker deserves better than the Big Dog and Redd comparisons/analogies that he receives, for the simple fact alone that he's quite a bit bigger. So he should be an even tougher match-up for opposing teams, and be a positive in at least one other area, like rebounding (11.5 rebs per 40 pace adjusted) or shot blocking/altering (1.2 blks in just over 30 minutes). Also, he'll likely at least try to make his teammates better. He comes across as a good guy, although so did Redd in fairness, and it didn't translate to that part of his game.

Big Dog did average 10.2/11.8 rpg during his two years at Purdue.

Comparisons between any two players are fun to do, but can be tricky given just one different trait can make a big difference. I still remember watching Glenn at Purdue and thinking he was a sure fire great pro, but back then i was a more casual fan and rarely looked with a close eye at all aspects of a player's overall game.

Well, that lead me to not notice Dog's really poor lack of handles and how that would hurt him in the NBA, To me, that's the biggest difference between him and Parker. Once Glenn got into the NBA, his poor ball handling and high dribble lead to an obscene number of turnovers for a non-PG. Parker on the flip side clearly handles the ball better and thus won't be a turnover machine every time he tries attacking off the dribble. Glenn was a more consistent jump shooter though.

I think people like comparing the two mainly just because both had/have that kinda soft build, struggled moving laterally, and had problems defensively. Bottom line for me, i'm pretty certain that Parker will either early on or eventually become a quality scorer in the NBA. He'll be a positive guy and he seems a team player type. The questions though as to whether he becomes a much better passer than he was at Duke and if he can avoid being a fairly serious liability on defense just give me pause and make me prefer Wiggins. That said, given before last year started the team was yet again shooting for an 8th seed, it would be hard for me to be really mad over ending up with Parker. The kid has plenty of talent and room to get quite a bit better.

[pe_it72]

Will we hear anything from the two workouts we have going on this weekend?

Or will the information be locked up tighter than.......Oh whats that song "Only the good die young". There is some sort of joke there.

[JayMKE]

Will we hear anything from the two workouts we have going on this weekend?

Or will the information be locked up tighter than.......Oh whats that song "Only the good die young". There is some sort of joke there.

Probably will with Exum since it is in Milwaukee(right?) kind of doubt we'll hear much about the Wiggins one tho in Santa Barbara.

[sherm]

That said, I think Parker deserves better than the Big Dog and Redd comparisons/analogies that he receives, for the simple fact alone that he's quite a bit bigger. So he should be an even tougher match-up for opposing teams, and be a positive in at least one other area, like rebounding (11.5 rebs per 40 pace adjusted) or shot blocking/altering (1.2 blks in just over 30 minutes). Also, he'll likely at least try to make his teammates better. He comes across as a good guy, although so did Redd in fairness, and it didn't translate to that part of his game.

Big Dog did average 10.2/11.8 rpg during his two years at Purdue.

Comparisons between any two players are fun to do, but can be tricky given just one different trait can make a big difference. I still remember watching Glenn at Purdue and thinking he was a sure fire great pro, but back then i was a more casual fan and rarely looked with a close eye at all aspects of a player's overall game.

Well, that lead me to not notice Dog's really poor lack of handles and how that would hurt him in the NBA, To me, that's the biggest difference between him and Parker. Once Glenn got into the NBA, his poor ball handling and high dribble lead to an obscene number of turnovers for a non-PG. Parker on the flip side clearly handles the ball better and thus won't be a turnover machine every time he tries attacking off the dribble. Glenn was a more consistent jump shooter though.

I think people like comparing the two mainly just because both had/have that kinda soft build, struggled moving laterally, and had problems defensively. Bottom line for me, i'm pretty certain that Parker will either early on or eventually become a quality scorer in the NBA. He'll be a positive guy and he seems a team player type. The questions though as to whether he becomes a much better passer than he was at Duke and if he can avoid being a fairly serious liability on defense just give me pause and make me prefer Wiggins. That said, given before last year started the team was yet again shooting for an 8th seed, it would be hard for me to be really mad over ending up with Parker. The kid has plenty of talent and room to get quite a bit better.

Ive been comparing Parker to Big Dogg since mid season. They look alike from a playing standpoint to me. from shot to the way they move. Im happy with Parker if that is the choice. I prefer him over Embid. It just reminds me of when we were tanking for Oden and michael redd was on espn hoping for Oden over Durant. I just have that vision in my mind all over again.

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If we're really going to pick Parker, I'd rather trade the pick for Kawhi.

[Zeezprah]

If we're really going to pick Parker, I'd rather trade the pick for Kawhi.

i realize you're saying you're not a fan of parker, but goodness gracious kawhi is so damn overrated.

he's a solid defender with a limited offensive game. idk how you could want that over taking at least taking a shot at parker, even if you're not the biggest fan.

[cinematographer]

If we're really going to pick Parker, I'd rather trade the pick for Kawhi.

i realize you're saying you're not a fan of parker, but goodness gracious kawhi is so damn overrated.

he's a solid defender with a limited offensive game. idk how you could want that over taking at least taking a shot at parker, even if you're not the biggest fan.

I'm not so sure I'd say he has a limited offensive game. I think he's asked to play a role, and he's shown flashes of being able to create and slash. I think there's more there, and his defense is invaluable: he's an EV-suppressing machine.

[Zeezprah]

If we're really going to pick Parker, I'd rather trade the pick for Kawhi.

i realize you're saying you're not a fan of parker, but goodness gracious kawhi is so damn overrated.

he's a solid defender with a limited offensive game. idk how you could want that over taking at least taking a shot at parker, even if you're not the biggest fan.

I'm not so sure I'd say he has a limited offensive game. I think he's asked to play a role, and he's shown flashes of being able to create and slash. I think there's more there, and his defense is invaluable: he's an EV-suppressing machine.

i think he is what we're seeing. sure, maybe he puts up a few more points or something somewhere else, but ultimately he's like a 3rd or 4th guy on a championship team who's the defensive stopper "guy" who gets hustle points and scores occasionally here and there when needed. good player, but nothing earth shattering or anything. he got blessed with a very nice situation for him. perfect fit.

and i was a big kawhi fan when he came out (and still am). thought he was a top 5 player in that class, so no hate from my end.

[Nowak008]

Kawhi is a reason why I have Wiggins over Parker right now. I think there is a very good chance Wiggins becomes similar to Kawhi with the upside to be even better. I'd throw the max at him and not even blink.

[cinematographer]

i realize you're saying you're not a fan of parker, but goodness gracious kawhi is so damn overrated.

he's a solid defender with a limited offensive game. idk how you could want that over taking at least taking a shot at parker, even if you're not the biggest fan.

I'm not so sure I'd say he has a limited offensive game. I think he's asked to play a role, and he's shown flashes of being able to create and slash. I think there's more there, and his defense is invaluable: he's an EV-suppressing machine.

i think he is what we're seeing. sure, maybe he puts up a few more points or something somewhere else, but ultimately he's like a 3rd or 4th guy on a championship team who's the defensive stopper "guy" who gets hustle points and scores occasionally here and there when needed. good player, but nothing earth shattering or anything. he got blessed with a very nice situation for him. perfect fit.

and i was a big kawhi fan when he came out (and still am). thought he was a top 5 player in that class, so no hate from my end.

I don't think he's ever the first option on offense for a championship team, but I think he can be the second. I'm curious to see if his assist numbers jump up like Pippen's did at his age. Or what he'd do with Early-Pippen usage, even.

I'd take the certainty of Kawhi's defense, his capable outside shooting and the offensive upside over Parker.

[Ruzious]

i realize you're saying you're not a fan of parker, but goodness gracious kawhi is so damn overrated.

he's a solid defender with a limited offensive game. idk how you could want that over taking at least taking a shot at parker, even if you're not the biggest fan.

I'm not so sure I'd say he has a limited offensive game. I think he's asked to play a role, and he's shown flashes of being able to create and slash. I think there's more there, and his defense is invaluable: he's an EV-suppressing machine.

i think he is what we're seeing. sure, maybe he puts up a few more points or something somewhere else, but ultimately he's like a 3rd or 4th guy on a championship team who's the defensive stopper "guy" who gets hustle points and scores occasionally here and there when needed. good player, but nothing earth shattering or anything. he got blessed with a very nice situation for him. perfect fit.

and i was a big kawhi fan when he came out (and still am). thought he was a top 5 player in that class, so no hate from my end.

There's zero percent chance that SA would even consider trading Leonard for the Bux pick. None. At 22 years old, he's one of the most valuable pieces in the NBA - in the same category as George.

[JayMKE]

What's Kawhi doing if he was drafted by the Bucks instead of the Spurs? Not much I'd be guessing.

[Baddy Chuck]

What's Kawhi doing if he was drafted by the Bucks instead of the Spurs? Not much I'd be guessing.

Not sure why that matters in relation to value now.