Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[jakecronus8]

I think we end up with Parker. I don't think it's smokescreen.

Given what's in the other thread about the "close Edens family friend" saying that Wes doesn't like Parker, how bad would it suck to have the first major decision cause a rift?
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No biggie

[breakchains]

After much thought, I have Jabari Parker as the #2 overall player on my board. It is terrifying to pass on Wiggins, for sure, but if I am making the pick, Parker is my guy.

[bigkurty]

Barring embiid somehow not being #1, the pick will be Jabari Parker and everyone pretty much knows it... I would also like to say that I'm very excited about it. Parker is going to bring some excitement to Milwaukee that hasn't been seen for a long time. I'm looking forward to watching him grow with Giannis and our other young pieces.

I believe that Parker will help establish a culture... Not gonna come out and say a winning culture but a "we're not backing down to anyone" culture vs the "we're prolly catching an L tonight, we're we going for dinner" culture that we've watched for the past few years.

I see Parker as bigger Grant Hill.

I see him making everyone around him better.... I see Larry Sanders getting on board and I see a toughness infused into this team with a young star in Parker and a soph Giannis as the faces of this franchise.

Can't wait

Really like this post, agree with pretty much all of it.

I think the board gets too caught up in trying to convince themselves that one of these guys has even a chance of becoming Lebron.

Yeah its hard not to picture Jabari as the best guy for a teams culture. He is engaging, genuine, outgoing, well spoken, ultra talented, and people want to play with him. I am on the verge of switching my pick from Wiggins to Jabari. Man this draft class is just so good. Thank god we are able to debate these guys this year rather than the Gary Harris' and Rodney Hood's of the draft class.

[Wise1]

I think we end up with Parker. I don't think it's smokescreen.

It will be either him or Embiid depending on what Cleveland does. I personally think those two are on a tier above the others.

[Siefer]

I like the Grant Hill comp for Parker more than the Big Dog one. Parker is a much better ball-handler and creator than Robinson, and also larger and more explosive. Hill was more athletic, and a better passer, but I see the similarities in their games.

[paulpressey25]

You don't mean Grant Hill do you? The guy played 20 seasons

Grant Hill played six awesome All-NBA seasons where he was outstanding. Then his feet and ankles went down the drain and he was never ever the same player.

Let's let Jez weigh in, but Jabari had a stress fracture or broken foot in high school. The link to one of the stories on it is here. Happened in July of 2012 and he still wasn't ready to take the court in December of 2012.

http://chicago.sbnation.com/2012/12/1/3 ... ury-simeon

Lots of players have had them and come back no issues. Brandon Jennings had one. BUT, just as people are worried about Embiid, I'm terrified of a guy who had a stress fracture in his foot as a high schooler.

It may have been a freak one-off or it could be a structural issue that will return later in his career.

[Wise1]

Let's just hope Jabari isn't going to go #1. I think he has an excellent chance to be the top pick.

[Ron Swanson]

Grant Hill comparisons? Grant Hill averaged 20/8/6 on 56 TS% in his prime. Jabari Parker averaged less than one assist per game in conference play last season...

The only similarity I can see is that both are 6'8 and could average 20+ ppg in the pros. If Grant Hill wouldn't have gotten injured and his career trajectory continued, we'd be comparing him with Oscar Robertson, Scottie Pippen, and Lebron James as one of the best "multi-faceted" players of all time.

Grant Hill was much more athletic, a better defender, and a much much better distributor coming out of Duke than Parker.

[Newz]

I also don't see the Parker-Hill comparison at all. When you are taking Parker you are hoping he can be a super efficient 25+ PPG guy in his prime that can board and do some distributing when defenses collapse on him.

Grant Hill wasn't that guy. He wasn't a great shooter, but he was so talented he found ways to score regardless. He could handle and distribute like a point guard, he could board like a PF and he was an excellent defensive player.

I still think that the Melo, Big Dog and Pierce comparisons stand as the best compares for him. If he could be Carmelo Anthony with improved shot selection, he'd be pretty damn good.

[europa]

Yeah I see more Big Dog/Melo in Parker than Hill.

[Badgerlander]

Jabari Parker averaged less than one assist per game in conference play last season...

yes but it was amazing

[steger_3434]

Grant Hill comparisons? Grant Hill averaged 20/8/6 on 56 TS% in his prime. Jabari Parker averaged less than one assist per game in conference play last season...

The only similarity I can see is that both are 6'8 and could average 20+ ppg in the pros. If Grant Hill wouldn't have gotten injured and his career trajectory continued, we'd be comparing him with Oscar Robertson, Scottie Pippen, and Lebron James as one of the best "multi-faceted" players of all time.

Grant Hill was much more athletic, a better defender, and a much much better distributor coming out of Duke than Parker.

Hill's freshman year he averaged 11/2/5 in 24 minutes.

Parker averaged 19/1/8 in 30 minutes.

I don't really see the Grant Hill comparisons either, but it isn't like Hill was a world beater his freshman year. The thing is we are comparing these freshman with NBA stars once they became NBA stars.

[JHSFIVE]

Grant Hill freshman yr per game:
11.2 pts, 5.1 trb, 2.2 ast, 1.4 stl, .5 blks

Parker:
19.1 pts, 8.7 trb, 1.2 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.2 blks

I'm not using Hills pro career vs Parker's freshman yr of college.

I like the hill comparison more than the pierce one.

[Badgerlander]

PP was comparing Grant Hill's charisma to Jabari's, not his game

[Siefer]

I also don't see the Parker-Hill comparison at all. When you are taking Parker you are hoping he can be a super efficient 25+ PPG guy in his prime that can board and do some distributing when defenses collapse on him.

Grant Hill wasn't that guy. He wasn't a great shooter, but he was so talented he found ways to score regardless. He could handle and distribute like a point guard, he could board like a PF and he was an excellent defensive player.

I still think that the Melo, Big Dog and Pierce comparisons stand as the best compares for him. If he could be Carmelo Anthony with improved shot selection, he'd be pretty damn good.

I don't actually think Parker is a great shooter right now. He's a much better scorer than shooter. I agree Hill isn't a great comparison, but I do think he's a better comparison than Robinson. Parker is a significantly better ball-handler and creator than Robinson ever was. My comparison of choice would be Pierce or Melo.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not to be a dick but the hill comparison is ridiculous and dumb. if you've actually watched both guys play they are simply different types of players. It's also crazy to compare frosh numbers.. that team hill was on as a frosh was absolutely loaded so of course his numbers are lower.

Parkers a great prospect but let's just stop the hill comp

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[Newz]

I also don't see the Parker-Hill comparison at all. When you are taking Parker you are hoping he can be a super efficient 25+ PPG guy in his prime that can board and do some distributing when defenses collapse on him.

Grant Hill wasn't that guy. He wasn't a great shooter, but he was so talented he found ways to score regardless. He could handle and distribute like a point guard, he could board like a PF and he was an excellent defensive player.

I still think that the Melo, Big Dog and Pierce comparisons stand as the best compares for him. If he could be Carmelo Anthony with improved shot selection, he'd be pretty damn good.

I don't actually think Parker is a great shooter right now. He's a much better scorer than shooter. I agree Hill isn't a great comparison, but I do think he's a better comparison than Robinson. Parley is a significantly better ball-handler and creator than Robinson ever was. My comparison of choice would be Pierce or Melo.

I think Parker was a a pretty damn good shooter for a Freshman and he clearly has the tools to be excellent from deep and from midrange. If you look at Parker and Dog's production as Freshmen, they are almost identical.

I think you'd have a different opinion on Robinson as a player if he would have realized his potential in the NBA and worked on his game as opposed to just settling on what he became. There is a reason Robinson went above Hill and Kidd in the draft, because he was an incredible prospect. So comparing Parker to him isn't really a rip at all.

After watching more of Parker as well, I do think he's pretty similar to the prospect that Dog was, not the player that he became (which is what I thought a good comparison was for him before).

[Wooderson]

Hill was 3.6 assists per 40 as a frosh
Parker was 1.5 per 40

And Hill jumped to 5.4 per 40 his 2nd year

I don't think Parker will ever be a primary playmaker the way Hill was.

[europa]

Hill was 3.6 assists per 40 as a frosh
Parker was 1.5 per 40

And Hill jumped to 5.4 per 40 his 2nd year

I don't think Parker will ever be a primary playmaker the way Hill was.

Neither do I. If you draft Parker I think you do it with the anticipation he'll develop into an elite, go-to scorer.

[Ron Swanson]

Grant Hill comparisons? Grant Hill averaged 20/8/6 on 56 TS% in his prime. Jabari Parker averaged less than one assist per game in conference play last season...

The only similarity I can see is that both are 6'8 and could average 20+ ppg in the pros. If Grant Hill wouldn't have gotten injured and his career trajectory continued, we'd be comparing him with Oscar Robertson, Scottie Pippen, and Lebron James as one of the best "multi-faceted" players of all time.

Grant Hill was much more athletic, a better defender, and a much much better distributor coming out of Duke than Parker.

Hill's freshman year he averaged 11/2/5 in 24 minutes.

Parker averaged 19/1/8 in 30 minutes.

I don't really see the Grant Hill comparisons either, but it isn't like Hill was a world beater his freshman year. The thing is we are comparing these freshman with NBA stars once they became NBA stars.

Per 40 (college career):

Hill: 19.6 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 4.7 AST, 2.2 STL, 1.3 BLK, .578 TS%

Parker: 25.0 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 1.5 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.6 BLK, .558 TS%

Even if you want to compare just freshman years, Hill was still an infinitely better distributor and defender.

Add in that Parker played most of his minutes at PF and a lot at C causing his rebounding numbers to be inflated, and I just don't see any sort of comparison to me made between the two, even as far as impact on the court.

Hill had outstanding court vision and could lock down his guy on defense, two things that Jabari struggles with.