Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick?

[SKG]

I always liked middleton and this year i like him a little bit more cause he knows his role
We alteady know what mids can do and he wont be a superstar thats for sure, with that said id only trade him for a top 5 pick, theres a lot of superstar potential players on this draft.

Thing is bucks aint getting that pick

Wonder if nets are willig to give up 19 and 20 1st round pick, we could throw in henson aswell

Wait, you would only trade him for a top 5 pick or pick 19 and 20? One of those is not like the other.


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Pretty sure he means their first rounds picks in 2019 and 2020 - which they couldn't do because of the Stepien rule IIRC, but they could do 2019, 2021.

Yes thats what i ment, but you are right should be 19-21

[Nowak008]

If you factor the possibility of having to deal with Lonzo Ball for the next x number of years...then this is an easy pass.

[worthlessBucks]

That damn Jabari injury, we had the 3 (even if we had to toss 1 for better fits later on). The issue, as always mentioned, will be getting that 3rd player (or more) now to join Khris and Giannis using the limited avenues available to us. Do we have the right man in charge to outwork and outsmart everyone else in the room? I think we all know the answer.

Need someone to work some magic, check under every rock, and think outside the box.

[ampd]

Trading Middleton for the Nets pick would be trading him for on average the 2.6th pick in the draft. I'd say no to that. there is a huge difference between #1 and 2 and 3+. The "top 5 picks" we like to talk about are not remotely created equal.

Trading him for a pick we know to be #1 is a different argument.

[Siefer]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

[BucksFanSD]

There's no "right" or "wrong" answer here. As a risk taker, yes I would for pick 1 or 2 (Ball or Fultz). Although Middleton looks to keep getting better, makes *any* team better, is on a great contract, and is a sure thing if healthy (he is playing like he 's 100% now) which is why I could see Boston actually doing it.

[DingleJerry]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

[Siefer]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

Middleton's been criminally underrated for a couple of years now. Dude is really good on both ends of the floor, and he's our general out there. Upon reflection, I might be underrating how good Gasol still is, but his defense and rebounding are starting to slip.

[coolhandluke121]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

I agree in general, but in his present condition there's a pretty clear gap between him and the 2nd group mentioned above. We have to see him combine the agility, activity level, and conditioning of his first breakout year with the polished play-making of this season and sustain it for a little while before we put him in that group.

You also have to remember that there are probably a number of other players who are better than the first group of all-stars too. The asg overrates scoring in a way that's even more offensive than rating baseball players by batting average.

[humanrefutation]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

Putting side health concerns, I'd definitively take him over Gasol, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony, Hayward, Millsap, and Lowry.

I'd have in him a conversation with the rest.

[DingleJerry]

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

I agree in general, but in his present condition there's a pretty clear gap between him and the 2nd group mentioned above. We have to see him combine the agility, activity level, and conditioning of his first breakout year with the polished play-making of this season and sustain it for a little while before we put him in that group.

You also have to remember that there are probably a number of other players who are better than the first group of all-stars too. The asg overrates scoring in a way that's even more offensive than rating baseball players by batting average.

Yup, and some he listed as ones he'd take Middleton over I might not have. Just didn't want to get that granular about it. I just meant looking at it as simply as, would you take him over x, y, z current all star is clear way to look at it.

[blazza18]

I was a yes because I wanted a shot at an elite PG to pair with Giannis. I still want a top 5-10 PG but I'm not willing to give Middleton up to get it.

[Siefer]

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

I agree in general, but in his present condition there's a pretty clear gap between him and the 2nd group mentioned above. We have to see him combine the agility, activity level, and conditioning of his first breakout year with the polished play-making of this season and sustain it for a little while before we put him in that group.

You also have to remember that there are probably a number of other players who are better than the first group of all-stars too. The asg overrates scoring in a way that's even more offensive than rating baseball players by batting average.

I'm giving Middleton a pass on his conditioning right now. It's reasonable to disagree on this, but I'm happy to disregard the 5-6 minutes a game where he's near death because he doesn't have his legs yet.

Regarding the ASG, yeah, the Kyries and DeRozans of the world get propped up over the Goberts and Conleys, but it's a nice quick way to make the point. Even factoring in CP3, Gobert, KAT, Conley, Jokic, and Aldridge I still think Middleton lands pretty comfortably in the top 20.

Edit: Forgot about CP3

[PANDEMONEUM]

That damn Jabari injury, we had the 3 (even if we had to toss 1 for better fits later on). The issue, as always mentioned, will be getting that 3rd player (or more) now to join Khris and Giannis using the limited avenues available to us. Do we have the right man in charge to outwork and outsmart everyone else in the room? I think we all know the answer.

Need someone to work some magic, check under every rock, and think outside the box.

i agree with this 100%
we should be working on moving everything/everyone else,
to combine with Midds and Giannis.
not moving Midds.
its a huge step back.
at least until the new piece is as good as Midds or better,
which is going to be difficult to achieve.

[coolhandluke121]

That's actually a very good way to look at it, I probably wouldn't have thought to go that route. Most would probably just think about what their stereotype definition of All-Star is in their head and compare him to that. And since he's not flashy we question it. But in this sense it's a bit different.

And I'd be fairly comfortable taking him over Love.

I agree in general, but in his present condition there's a pretty clear gap between him and the 2nd group mentioned above. We have to see him combine the agility, activity level, and conditioning of his first breakout year with the polished play-making of this season and sustain it for a little while before we put him in that group.

You also have to remember that there are probably a number of other players who are better than the first group of all-stars too. The asg overrates scoring in a way that's even more offensive than rating baseball players by batting average.

I'm giving Middleton a pass on his conditioning right now. It's reasonable to disagree on this, but I'm happy to disregard the 5-6 minutes a game where he's near death because he doesn't have his legs yet.

Yeah, but he was out of shape after getting his contract too, and he was pretty brutal for a few months last year as a consequence. Two years ago he was basically a top-10 rpm guy all season, but he hasn't really duplicated that side of his game consistently since getting his contract. I know he's capable and it's all part of his growth, but guys like Millsap and Lowry have consistently been absolute studs for a while and are underrated in their own right so I'm gonna wait before I put him there.

[El Duderino]

When has the "franchise-changing PG" cliche ever been true? Ask any team that's won the title in the last 20 years outside of Golden State how imperative having a star PG is.

The NBA is changing. Having an elite PG is key in this league. Or having Giannis or Lebron helps too. Someone that can dominate with the ball.

Correct, this has always been the case in the NBA though. Guys like Lebron, Giannis, and Harden are essentially "PG's" anyways. The actual position isn't inherently more valuable just because it's labeled "PG". If anything, the league is moving further and further away from the traditional PG position, and has been for years.

And in today's NBA, if your PG is the guy dominating the ball, he often needs to be a scorer, good three point shooter, and defender to go along with having court vision.

Every team is different based on their roster and in turn what they need most from a PG.

[Pachinko_]

Very skeptical

We already had a no-D 20ppg young stud on the team, and we were losing. Badly.
Then we replaced him with a 15ppg 2 way player and we're suddenly a 0.750 team.

How much better than 20ppg do you think Fulz/Ball/DJS is gonna be? And when? And how different would that be to Wiggins and the Wolves? And how many ppg are required for defense not to matter?

You're basically asking if we should break up a winning team in exchange for a hope for something that (best case scenario) looks dangerously similar to something that wasn't really working 2 years in.

Very very skeptical.


edit: remember wiggins and jabari have the best tools imaginable to play awesome D. The best. So don't tell me about defense tools and potential, most these guys are not interested.

[Nowak008]

cmon... Middleton isn't top 20

Just looking at this year's all-star rosters, I'd take Middleton over:

Cousins, Gasol, Thompson, Kyrie, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony

Have him very close to Hayward, Butler, Millsap, George, Lowry, and Wall. Would think about him over Love.

Come at me.

Putting side health concerns, I'd definitively take him over Gasol, DeRozan, Thomas, Walker, Anthony, Hayward, Millsap, and Lowry.

I'd have in him a conversation with the rest.

Are you guys factoring in contract and age? There is no way Mid is more impactful right now than Milsap, Lowry, Gasol, Hayward

[Prez]

I'd still give up Midds for Fultz but that's about it. I think Midds enters Paul Pierce territory next year.

[RandyBreuer]

Only for a top 2 pick. If it was 2 and Fultz goes first you have to pick Ball and deal him a la Marbury for Ray and Andrew Lang, and Eli Manning who brought Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and two other starters to the Chargers.