Khris Middleton Thread

[truly]

bojan will turn 31 this season and is a dick. hed be 33 when Giannis supermax would kick in. the smart money is on building around bojan. **** unbelieveable forward thinking here

The clownery on our board is unmatched sometimes. BOJAN BOGDANOVIC?! This is the hill they’re dying on?

I guarantee that Utah would have Bojan on a plane to Milwaukee for Middleton before the phone call was over.

Imagine thinking this.Never mind how the last matchup went.Have you seen their contracts?

[Antinomy]

bojan will turn 31 this season and is a dick. hed be 33 when Giannis supermax would kick in. the smart money is on building around bojan. **** unbelieveable forward thinking here

The clownery on our board is unmatched sometimes. BOJAN BOGDANOVIC?! This is the hill they’re dying on?

I guarantee that Utah would have Bojan on a plane to Milwaukee for Middleton before the phone call was over.

Imagine thinking this.Never mind how the last matchup went.Have you seen their contracts?

“Based on their last matchup” Boston should’ve shipped us Tatum & Brown after Middleton lit them up in the playoffs.

Who gives af about a random regular season game where a role player scored a bunch of points? I could pull up a random box score from any game last night & find a role player outscoring a star. Doesn’t mean anything.

Why compromise talent, fit & chemistry just to bring in a guy who *might* work, isn’t a clear upgrade, isn’t a plus defensively, has less value around the league & would be the oldest guy in our rotation besides Korver? All the while, with Giannis’ extension looming. Make it make sense.

[MiltownHawkeye]

I thought this board was better than "player A outplayed player B in a November regular season game so player A is better"

[jute2003]

I thought this board was better than "player A outplayed player B in a November regular season game so player A is better"

Really? There is a healthy contingent that hasn't learned that Ersan sucks until the Allstar break and believes that Bledsoes play with a broken rib was the new normal moving forward. Despite the bravado,we are all just schlubs pretending to know something.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

bojan will turn 31 this season and is a dick. hed be 33 when Giannis supermax would kick in. the smart money is on building around bojan. **** unbelieveable forward thinking here

The clownery on our board is unmatched sometimes. BOJAN BOGDANOVIC?! This is the hill they’re dying on?

I guarantee that Utah would have Bojan on a plane to Milwaukee for Middleton before the phone call was over.

Imagine thinking this.Never mind how the last matchup went.Have you seen their contracts?

other than the game against us bojan has been extremely meh over the last 5. way to go with the herb kohl playbook on scouting players we might want

[truly]

The clownery on our board is unmatched sometimes. BOJAN BOGDANOVIC?! This is the hill they’re dying on?

I guarantee that Utah would have Bojan on a plane to Milwaukee for Middleton before the phone call was over.

Imagine thinking this.Never mind how the last matchup went.Have you seen their contracts?

“Based on their last matchup” Boston should’ve shipped us Tatum & Brown after Middleton lit them up in the playoffs.

Who gives af about a random regular season game where a role player scored a bunch of points? I could pull up a random box score from any game last night & find a role player outscoring a star. Doesn’t mean anything.

Why compromise talent, fit & chemistry just to bring in a guy who *might* work, isn’t a clear upgrade, isn’t a plus defensively, has less value around the league & would be the oldest guy in our rotation besides Korver? All the while, with Giannis’ extension looming. Make it make sense.

Bojan is a role player but Middleton is a star?

And I acknowledge that Middleton is a better player.But the difference isn't as big as you make it out to be and sure as hell I would take bojan and brogdon over Middleton.
Which is what people have been arguing until you decided to conveniently ignore it.. the same way you ignored the second point of my post.



As for talent and fit, again brogdon+bogdanovic are better and people are really overrating chemistry.Reminds me of the Jason Kidd bucks advertising continuity.

[JimmyTheKid]

The clownery on our board is unmatched sometimes. BOJAN BOGDANOVIC?! This is the hill they’re dying on?

I guarantee that Utah would have Bojan on a plane to Milwaukee for Middleton before the phone call was over.

Imagine thinking this.Never mind how the last matchup went.Have you seen their contracts?

“Based on their last matchup” Boston should’ve shipped us Tatum & Brown after Middleton lit them up in the playoffs.

Who gives af about a random regular season game where a role player scored a bunch of points? I could pull up a random box score from any game last night & find a role player outscoring a star. Doesn’t mean anything.

Why compromise talent, fit & chemistry just to bring in a guy who *might* work, isn’t a clear upgrade, isn’t a plus defensively, has less value around the league & would be the oldest guy in our rotation besides Korver? All the while, with Giannis’ extension looming. Make it make sense.

For one, millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. Secondly, Khris Middleton's "fit" in Bud's offense is dubious at best. We've already seen Bud go against some of the principles of his own system to make Middleton more comfortable. An adjustment he absolutely had to make when you have a guy as talented in the midrange as Khris Middleton. But not a single person is making the argument that "Bogdanovic is better than Khris Middleton." Again, the only rational reason to pony up that kind of dough for Midds is because Giannis told you to do so.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Why compromise talent, fit & chemistry just to bring in a guy who *might* work

For one, millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars.

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

[DavidDunn21]

Fat, slow, doesn't care Middleton is putting up 19/6/3 on 60% TS% this season. I fully acknowledge his warts/inconsistencies but man you'd think he went full John Salmons or something reading these posts.

We're no longer in the John Salmons business. We're looking in the Jimmy Butler tier. Also fat slow doesn't care Middleton becomes fat slow trying to play prison ball defense in the playoffs and then he has to coast on offense just to rest.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the fact that middleton doesn't ideally "fit" this teams one trick offensive philosophy is why hes the perfect fit. hes literally the only guy on the team that can play well within that system but also can give us a second look and option outside of it.

cannonballing Giannis and Bledsoe into the lane to score or kick out for a 3 is what weve got. middleton adds a different crease. the occasional lopez post up we are now seeing may be another. quite frankly I wish we had more.

[LuessiT]

the fact that middleton doesn't ideally "fit" this teams one trick offensive philosophy is why hes the perfect fit. hes literally the only guy on the team that can play well within that system but also can give us a second look and option outside of it.

cannonballing Giannis and Bledsoe into the lane to score or kick out for a 3 is what weve got. middleton adds a different crease. the occasional lopez post up we are now seeing may be another. quite frankly I wish we had more.

I do agree that a good offense diversifies in threats but Middleton isn't the answer to teams double teaming Giannis. When Giannis gives the ball up, someone else needs to break down an already shifting defense. Middleton so far hasn't shown the ability to do that. His dribble is too lose and he takes too much time getting into rhythm. No team is going to let him back down his smaller defender one on one, take two, three dribbles and rise over him anymore. The double team is going to come and as long as Middleton has the tendency to cough the ball up once he feels any pressure, he won't be able to carry the load when Giannis can't.

[LUKE23]

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

Our owners literally just did that this offseason with Brogdon. I mean....

[JimmyTheKid]

Why compromise talent, fit & chemistry just to bring in a guy who *might* work

For one, millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars.

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

"Dismantle"? Hardly. Malcolm Brogdon, Eric Bledose, Brook Lopez, and Khris Middleton all took fairly even turns as the "2nd best player" last season. Brogdon was signed/traded and I haven't seen anyone claim we "dismantled" the team because of it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

Our owners literally just did that this offseason with Brogdon. I mean....

i understand that is the narrative. i dont see it that way.

Bledsoe, middleton and Giannis are the core. we chose hill and additional roster flexibility with the draft assets we acquired to create some ability where we can fix a situation that could develop over a long season instead of waiting for brogdon to get injured again and then literally lose our starting sg AND backup pg with no financial flexibility or draft ammo to do anything about it. brogdon goes down with no hil, no picks to trade, and no money slot... then we are **** with a capital F.

never evem crosses my mind it was about being cheap other than maybe the money we didn't irresponsibility spend didn't paint us into a corner.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

For one, millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars.

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

"Dismantle"? Hardly. Malcolm Brogdon, Eric Bledose, Brook Lopez, and Khris Middleton all took fairly even turns as the "2nd best player" last season. Brogdon was signed/traded and I haven't seen anyone claim we "dismantled" the team because of it.

letting an allstar walk with nothing of measure coming back would be about as big a definition of dismantle as I could come up with

[paulpressey25]

We're no longer in the John Salmons business. We're looking in the Jimmy Butler tier.

Butler, Butler, Butler.

For me this discussions feels like the "Do you trade Bogut for AK47?" debates of over a decade ago. Every couple months you would pivot back and forth. Seems the same with Butler v. Middleton.

Against Toronto last year? Much prefer Jimmy Butler over Middleton
Contract? Well, given Midds got that extra year at $40mm, I'd prefer Butler's deal now

But, I do think there is a legit concern Butler's personality would destroy the locker-room, and he might be a 2019 Anthony Mason to Giannis. The locker-room dynamic is one reason why Middleton got paid, no questions asked. He is a cultural fit.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the fact that middleton doesn't ideally "fit" this teams one trick offensive philosophy is why hes the perfect fit. hes literally the only guy on the team that can play well within that system but also can give us a second look and option outside of it.

cannonballing Giannis and Bledsoe into the lane to score or kick out for a 3 is what weve got. middleton adds a different crease. the occasional lopez post up we are now seeing may be another. quite frankly I wish we had more.

I do agree that a good offense diversifies in threats but Middleton isn't the answer to teams double teaming Giannis. When Giannis gives the ball up, someone else needs to break down an already shifting defense. Middleton so far hasn't shown the ability to do that. His dribble is too lose and he takes too much time getting into rhythm. No team is going to let him back down his smaller defender one on one, take two, three dribbles and rise over him anymore. The double team is going to come and as long as Middleton has the tendency to cough the ball up once he feels any pressure, he won't be able to carry the load when Giannis can't.

are we saying middleton turns the ball over more than a typical 20ppg scorer? or is it that he loses style points for his turnovers?

perhaps im wrong but for a SF whose getting 21/7/5 per36 I wasn't aware his turnover rate was out of line?

I mean he coughs it up less despite more assists than paul George so would PG be another guy who would be a tough fit with Giannis?

[JimmyTheKid]

would you agree that any fan not wanting to dismantle their team due to the owners being cheap would discount that reason?

"Dismantle"? Hardly. Malcolm Brogdon, Eric Bledose, Brook Lopez, and Khris Middleton all took fairly even turns as the "2nd best player" last season. Brogdon was signed/traded and I haven't seen anyone claim we "dismantled" the team because of it.

letting an allstar walk with nothing of measure coming back would be about as big a definition of dismantle as I could come up with

[LuessiT]

the fact that middleton doesn't ideally "fit" this teams one trick offensive philosophy is why hes the perfect fit. hes literally the only guy on the team that can play well within that system but also can give us a second look and option outside of it.

cannonballing Giannis and Bledsoe into the lane to score or kick out for a 3 is what weve got. middleton adds a different crease. the occasional lopez post up we are now seeing may be another. quite frankly I wish we had more.

I do agree that a good offense diversifies in threats but Middleton isn't the answer to teams double teaming Giannis. When Giannis gives the ball up, someone else needs to break down an already shifting defense. Middleton so far hasn't shown the ability to do that. His dribble is too lose and he takes too much time getting into rhythm. No team is going to let him back down his smaller defender one on one, take two, three dribbles and rise over him anymore. The double team is going to come and as long as Middleton has the tendency to cough the ball up once he feels any pressure, he won't be able to carry the load when Giannis can't.

are we saying middleton turns the ball over more than a typical 20ppg scorer? or is it that he loses style points for his turnovers?

perhaps im wrong but for a SF whose getting 21/7/5 per36 I wasn't aware his turnover rate was out of line?

I mean he coughs it up less despite more assists than paul George so would PG be another guy who would be a tough fit with Giannis?

No he doesn't but it is very hard to increase his usage without drastically increasing his turnovers (compared to other players) and more importantly, you can get him off some of his current offensive game by game planning for him (which will happen in the POs). He's fine (and despite his naysayers pretty consistent for a jumpshooter) but I doubt he can be a 25+ ppg scorer without plummeting in efficiency.

[mattg]

Do I have to dig up the post from last year going over Khris’s production with regards to minutes played? He has a sweet spot right around 30mpg, when he plays more than that he doesn’t keep increasing volume or anything, he produces the same amount as if he was playing that lower amount of minutes. Which again matches the eye test on his conditioning not being great, he physically cannot do the same things for 36 minutes that he can for 30. There is literally no evidence that Khris could ever remotely approach 25ppg.

But what Luessi says is spot on. Good Teams (aka who we need to beat to win a title) can easily game plan Khris out of being effective. Put a guy up in his shorts and you take away his ability to do anything off the bounce. Off ball face guard him and don’t help off and he struggles to even get open. It’s not good enough to be a 14 or 15ppg guy on mediocre efficacy against elite teams and that’s what we’ve seen happen.