Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

Post #221 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:21 am

Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

OKC trade: Muscala+Kenrich for Wilson+Naz

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Muscala

Augustin, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Kenrich, Muscala

ShootingtheJ · Post #222 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:22 am

skones wrote:
smauss wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:This season aside, which he has been bad, he's been a downright amazing defender.

Honestly, I've been considering this year Baddy, but it would be difficult for me to buy into his defense with being so weak and heartless. But ok, I'll take away "lousy defender" and add "injury prone." Is that to your liking?

"Injury prone" is the reason he's available at a lower cost. There are a ton of stars that were once considered "injury prone." Hell, we have one on our own team in Jrue Holiday who nobody wanted to touch during the 15-16 campaign while I advocated at times for a buy low. Curry, Embiid, Kawhi, Beal, Anthony Davis, etc. are all guys who've had the injury prone tag on them at some point in their careers. As a general philosophy, particularly as a small-market team. Good players with the "injury prone" tag should be viewed as home run swings for us rather than an avoid at all costs situation.

A long term Porzingis Giannis pairing makes me drool a bit, but Middleton would be a no-fly zone at least for the rest of this year. If we fail again in the postseason, and I think we will, I'd be looking at moves that I once considered non-starters in an attempt to overhaul and put together another core that won't expire as quickly as the current one.

I think the reason a 2nd team is ready to move on from Porzingis is because of the continual questions of his lack of work ethic. The injuries are simply a byproduct of the real problem.

skones · Post #223 » by **skones** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:29 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
I think the reason a 2nd team is ready to move on from Porzingis is because of the continual questions of his lack of work ethic. The injuries are simply a byproduct of the real problem.

There really aren't questions about KP's work ethic..........

ShootingtheJ · Post #224 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:30 am

zimpy27 wrote:Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

Rockets trade: Tucker for Wilson+Forbes

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Forbes+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Naz

Augustin, Jrue, Middelton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Tucker, Naz

Sorry, but these deals put us about $4 million over the hard cap. Rubio has a rather nasty $17 million salary.

I do like Naz Reid, but I'm sure their GM does too, it's like his only good move so far.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #225 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:33 am

I was a huge Porzingis believer early in his career but Im completely out now. I have zero faith he's ever going to healthy.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app

AussieBuck · Post #226 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 am

zimpy27 wrote:Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

OKC trade: Muscala+Kenrich for Wilson+Naz

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Muscala

Augustin, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Kenrich, Muscala

We're not making a trade that shrinks Jrue's role to start a near washed guy.

Post #227 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:48 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

Rockets trade: Tucker for Wilson+Forbes

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Forbes+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Naz

Augustin, Jrue, Middelton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Tucker, Naz

Sorry, but these deals put us about $4 million over the hard cap. Rubio has a rather nasty $17 million salary.

I do like Naz Reid, but I'm sure their GM does too, it's like his only good move so far.

Yeah switched up trade a bit. I don't think the deal puts you over hard cap though. You have to remember that most of the season has been played and Bucks were well under hard cap, meaning they've saved up cap space based on the average season salary hard cap.

skones · Post #228 » by **skones** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:54 am

zimpy27 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

Rockets trade: Tucker for Wilson+Forbes

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Forbes+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Naz

Augustin, Jrue, Middelton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Tucker, Naz

Sorry, but these deals put us about $4 million over the hard cap. Rubio has a rather nasty $17 million salary.

I do like Naz Reid, but I'm sure their GM does too, it's like his only good move so far.

Yeah switched up trade a bit. I don't think the deal puts you over hard cap though. You have to remember that most of the season has been played and Bucks were well under hard cap, meaning they've saved up cap space based on the average season salary hard cap.

We are not well under the hardcap. We've literally gone the entire season with a 14 player roster because we're so close to the hardcap. We're only under by 440,000.

Post #229 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:13 am

skones wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Sorry, but these deals put us about $4 million over the hard cap. Rubio has a rather nasty $17 million salary.

I do like Naz Reid, but I'm sure their GM does too, it's like his only good move so far.

Yeah switched up trade a bit. I don't think the deal puts you over hard cap though. You have to remember that most of the season has been played and Bucks were well under hard cap, meaning they've saved up cap space based on the average season salary hard cap.

We are not well under the hardcap. We've literally gone the entire season with a 14 player roster because we're so close to the hardcap. We're only under by 440,000.

Oh really? I was using capulator and you are 4m under. Is it missing info?

Post #230 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:15 am

AussieBuck wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Wolves trade: Rubio+Naz for BroLo+Craig+Bucks '23 SRP

OKC trade: Muscala+Kenrich for Wilson+Naz

Bucks trade: BroLo+Craig+Wilson+Bucks '23 SRP for Rubio+Tucker+Muscala

Augustin, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Portis
Rubio, DDV, Connaughton, Kenrich, Muscala

We're not making a trade that shrinks Jrue's role to start a near washed guy.

Jrue has his best +/- with Augustin and so does Giannis.

skones · Post #231 » by **skones** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:22 am

zimpy27 wrote:
skones wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah switched up trade a bit. I don't think the deal puts you over hard cap though. You have to remember that most of the season has been played and Bucks were well under hard cap, meaning they've saved up cap space based on the average season salary hard cap.

We are not well under the hardcap. We've literally gone the entire season with a 14 player roster because we're so close to the hardcap. We're only under by 440,000.

Oh really? I was using capulator and you are 4m under. Is it missing info?

My guess is that it's not including the Leuer and Sanders dead money.

emunney · Post #232 » by **emunney** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:28 am

Wonder if Presti really wants Svi or if he's gettable.

WRau1 · Post #233 » by **WRau1** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:29 am

zimpy27 wrote:
skones wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah switched up trade a bit. I don't think the deal puts you over hard cap though. You have to remember that most of the season has been played and Bucks were well under hard cap, meaning they've saved up cap space based on the average season salary hard cap.

We are not well under the hardcap. We've literally gone the entire season with a 14 player roster because we're so close to the hardcap. We're only under by 440,000.

Oh really? I was using capulator and you are 4m under. Is it missing info?

If it's showing $4mil under, it's likely not accounting for Holiday's likely and unlikely bonuses which all have to count against the cap. Bucks are $441k under the hardcap.

RiotPunch · Post #234 » by **RiotPunch** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 am

emunney wrote:Wonder if Presti really wants Svi or if he's gettable.

Wondered the same thing. Seems like it was to get a pick for a guy they had no plans to extend.

DJW + a few 2nds

for

Svi + Muscala

Doesn't feel like enough, but maybe.

Lippo · Post #235 » by **Lippo** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 am

M-C-G wrote:
Lippo wrote:Mids and Lopez
for
Porzingis, Richardson, Burke,2nd

I feel like this is pretty good, but no idea how any of the Dallas guys are valued. Also if we did this, would need to move DJA for something else to fit the roster.

Oubre
for
Pat
DJA
DJW

Try to move Burke quick for Mudaiy

Core
Jrue,DDV,Oubre,Giannis,Zinger
Mudaiy,Forbes,Rich,Nwora,,Portis
Merrill,Craig,Thanisis,Diakite

thrice123 · Post #236 » by **thrice123** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:36 am

mykhailiuk traded for diallo. mykhailiuk would have been a nice get for us.

Sent from my SM-N960U using RealGM mobile app

Post #237 » by **Prez** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:50 am

Jrue’s unlikely bonuses, no matter how unlikely, all counting towards the hard cap is so bull **** man. Like it makes sense and I get it but I’m still salty lol

RiotPunch · Post #238 » by **RiotPunch** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:53 am

Prez wrote:Jrue’s unlikely bonuses, no matter how unlikely, all counting towards the hard cap is so bull **** man. Like it makes sense and I get it but I’m still salty lol

Curious if our cap guru wunderkind knew this going in, or if he himself uses the capulator and thought we would be well below the hard cap.

MikeIsGood · Post #239 » by **MikeIsGood** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:37 am

Svi being an upgrade for us in any way, shape, or form is so sad.

ShootingtheJ · Post #240 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:42 am

RiotPunch wrote:
emunney wrote:Wonder if Presti really wants Svi or if he's gettable.

Wondered the same thing. Seems like it was to get a pick for a guy they had no plans to extend.

DJW + a few 2nds

for

Svi + Muscala

Doesn't feel like enough, but maybe.

Remember the game this year that Svi hit all those 3s over Forbes. Pretty much Svi's only good game, he's hitting just 33% from 3. Confusing, as he's a great shooter. Doesn't offer much else though.