ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

Post #221 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:44 pm

Post #222 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:30 pm

I listen to the Philly guys every week on the Ricky Sanchez podcast. It is a very well done pod, and it is enjoyable to watch the Sixers implode.

The host, Spike, feels like he'd be satisfied with any sort of decent return of workable players for Simmons. The sidekick Mike, said last night he'd rather hang onto Simmons, unless a Lillard or Beal type deal might materialize, with the belief even a flawed Ben Simmons is worth more to them on the court than a crappy return.

They did conjure up some type of mega remake deal where Simmons goes out to Minny, Wall and D'Angelo Russell to PHI and Tobias to Houston. Figure out the filler and draft picks to get all three teams on-board.

Post #223 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:34 pm

Also regarding Simmons, Kane made a good point on the pod last week. The Kings absolutely needed to match that offer sheet for Bogdan. That would allow the Kings to easily send Bogdan and Halliburton for Simmons, and the Sixers might have gone for that package.

WRau1 · Post #224 » by **WRau1** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:42 pm

PHI has zero leverage here, I highly doubt they get a Dlo level player. I still think he ends up in MIN but for Bev/Beasley/future 1st.

Matches Malone · Post #225 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:52 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Also regarding Simmons, Kane made a good point on the pod last week. The Kings absolutely needed to match that offer sheet for Bogdan. That would allow the Kings to easily send Bogdan and Halliburton for Simmons, and the Sixers might have gone for that package.

If Sacramento gave up Haliburton in a package for Simmons, they deserve the terrible franchise slump they've been in. Then again, I'm very high on Haliburton and I view Simmons as a player on the verge of being with 3-4 teams in the next 5 years.

skbucks1985 · Post #226 » by **skbucks1985** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:55 pm

The thing about the Lillard idea is that if he wants out isn't Portland probably just going to do a tear down instead of trading him to Portland and try to sneak into the playoffs?

Anyway, I still think the McCollum trade makes the most sense. Philly loses on the talent side of it and it'll make it harder to stay afloat during the 20 or so games Embiid's going to miss. But he's a much better fit on the court and a significantly better fit chemistry wise. Portland upgrades in talent and gets a guy that's a better on court fit with Dame, but its also possible hat 30 games into the season Dame gets frustrated with Simmons and that has an ugly breakup.

skbucks1985 · Post #227 » by **skbucks1985** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:58 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Also regarding Simmons, Kane made a good point on the pod last week. The Kings absolutely needed to match that offer sheet for Bogdan. That would allow the Kings to easily send Bogdan and Halliburton for Simmons, and the Sixers might have gone for that package.

Don't agents and teams generally add poison pill provisions in contracts for RFA's if they get the sense that the other team might match? I remember that with Brogdon the belief was that if the Bucks were going to match that they were going to add poison pill provisions to disincentivize them from doing so

Turk Nowitzki · Post #228 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:08 pm

Simmons is so bizarre. It flat out just never gets to this point if he demonstrates interest in even trying to improve the weaknesses in his game.

drdrG · Post #229 » by **drdrG** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:22 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Simmons is so bizarre. It flat out just never gets to this point if he demonstrates interest in even trying to improve the weaknesses in his game.

It doesn't even require that. If he wasn't such a diva and was focused on the team more than himself he would be even better than Draymond Green has been for GSW, regardless of skill improvement. Of course, the on-court fit in GSW has helped Green tremendously.

Ron Swanson · Post #230 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm

Simmons attitude and lack of work ethic are ultimately the reason for why he's such a flawed player, but at this point I'm pretty much on his side here. He got thrown under the bus by his own coach and his star teammate, the fanbase hates him, and he's been resolute in his stance that it just can't work in Philly anymore.

Morey continues to be delusional and digs the franchise in a deeper hole with each passing day. There's no "fixing" this. Just trade him for whatever positive value you can get and move the **** on.

PG Graveyard · Post #231 » by **PG Graveyard** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:38 pm

WRau1 wrote:PHI has zero leverage here, I highly doubt they get a Dlo level player. I still think he ends up in MIN but for Bev/Beasley/future 1st.

I think the trade with the Wolves that makes sense is DLo and Mcdaniel plus a pick for him. I wouldn't give up anymore than that and Minnesota is probably the most desperate team out there.

WRau1 · Post #232 » by **WRau1** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:59 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:
WRau1 wrote:PHI has zero leverage here, I highly doubt they get a Dlo level player. I still think he ends up in MIN but for Bev/Beasley/future 1st.

I think the trade with the Wolves that makes sense is DLo and Mcdaniel plus a pick for him. I wouldn't give up anymore than that and Minnesota is probably the most desperate team out there.

If MIN trades DLo, they might as well trade KAT because he's as good as gone in that scenario.

Ayt · Post #233 » by **Ayt** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:01 pm

WRau1 wrote:PHI has zero leverage here, I highly doubt they get a Dlo level player. I still think he ends up in MIN but for Bev/Beasley/future 1st.

It depends entirely on whether teams start bidding against each other.

DingleJerry · Post #234 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:03 pm

If I'm MN I'm very skeptical he has any interest in being in MN long term and wouldn't want to give up any real value if that's the case. Granted, if he plays well for a year before stomping his way out he might have regained his value. But equal chance he pouts right away and is a problem. I guess I'm just saying I'd have some serious talks with him or his management beforehand.

On the other hand, he does seems like a logical fit with KAT. KAT can shoot but is bad at D, Simmons can't shoot but helps cover KATs D. Pretty good 4/5 combo on paper.

Ron Swanson · Post #235 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:11 pm

Yeah, he continues to make too much sense for the Wolves. If Minny can't make a D-Lo/Edwards/Simmons/KAT core work then they're probably gonna have to blow it up anyways and just build around Edwards and picks. Just get any competent 3&D wing in there with those 4 and you should in theory be a playoff team with upside. It's well worth the risk and they have win-now assets that Philly would want (Beverly, Beasley, Reid, Okogie) as well as all their future picks.

theFireBlanket · Post #236 » by **theFireBlanket** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:17 pm

DingleJerry wrote:If I'm MN I'm very skeptical he has any interest in being in MN long term and wouldn't want to give up any real value if that's the case. Granted, if he plays well for a year before stomping his way out he might have regained his value. But equal chance he pouts right away and is a problem. I guess I'm just saying I'd have some serious talks with him or his management beforehand.

On the other hand, he does seems like a logical fit with KAT. KAT can shoot but is bad at D, Simmons can't shoot but helps cover KATs D. Pretty good 4/5 combo on paper.

I don't like Ben but if the Wolves aren't giving up much it's a gamble worth making.

WRau1 · Post #237 » by **WRau1** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:48 pm

Yup, throwing Simmons into a lineup with DLo, Edwards & KAT is like best case for him. Not relied upon to score so he can just sit back, facilitate (when needed) and defend. Pretty low pressure situation for him.

tydett · Post #238 » by **tydett** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:07 pm

Really tempted to say that Philly should call his bluff and say "Alright, see you in 4 years, Benny-boy." But:

1) they're not the team I support

2) Philly's owners probably won't be down to pay a guy $30 million a year to play Fortnite.

raferfenix · Post #239 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:22 pm

The Rich Paul factor could impact what a team like Minnesota is willing to offer as well.

On the court the Wolves seem like the obvious fit and off the court the owners are probably interested in a splashy addition.

The question is how many picks they are willing to deal considering Simmons could try to force his way out to a 'California team' within a few years.

raferfenix · Post #240 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pm

It's nuts that John Wall is making $44 million next year and $47 million the year after.

The trade talk of him (+ picks and Gordon and whoever else) as part of a Simmons deal has to be posturing, right?

I mean I can certainly imagine the Sixers regretting not trading Simmons to Houston while they could, but that would have been for Harden, which is a big caveat.

Either way the Rockets definitely regret the Paul to Westbrook to Wall clusterf*ck.

It's hilarious to think that Houston now might have to trade some of the picks they got for Harden just to avoid buying out Wall at an absurd price point.

On the flipside, if no one values Simmons, Morey might be getting desperate to pick up additional draft assets to try and chase the next superstars. But taking on John Wall would be a huge price to have to pay for that....if that's somehow his best option I'd get why he'd dare Simmons to actually sit for a while.