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Post#221 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:37 am

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paulpressey25 wrote:One of you said Banchero is what we hoped Jabari would be. Think that’s spot on.

That said, I don’t blame Cole Anthony’s issues on Orlando on his teammates. At the end of the day, Cole played the way he want to down there. The great news is that so far he’s embracing a new role with the Bucks. Sky’s the limit for him.


It's less about blaming his teammates and just the circumstance of being on a team that you can effectively play pack line against. He's no longer seeing 3 guys cheating into the paint when he turns the corner. There's one guy and a whole lot of runway.


This. Plus sprinkle in that he knew if he passed it to someone else they’d miss the shot anyway, so why not chuck up a bad shot yourself?

Constructed a team in this NBA with a bunch of bad shooters is certainly a choice.
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Post#222 » by Serge28 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:43 am

tedbrogen wrote:No one has called out the best moment in last night’s game when whoever 55 is in the Knicks was calling for the ball trying to post up Giannis on the elbow. I believe he was asking Brunson to give up the ball so he could try to back down Giannis.


https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4871141/ariel-hukporti

Young and dumb. Would have been fun to see! :lol:
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Post#223 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:48 am

BigO wrote:These four game hot takes are hilarious:

1) I'll believe there is a new Kuzma after 25 games, not 4. I thought he played great defense against the guys he should guard (like Towns). Doc had him on Brunson for several sets in the first half to see if he could slow him down and he got cooked. That was bad coaching. He has been great not shooting the ball, so let's see if that lasts. You could see in that horrific pull-up three he hoisted that he still has those instincts.

2) Same with Cole Anthony. He was torched by Brunson, although so were other players. I'm not worried about his offense. Can he keep guards out of the lane? So far, the answer is no.

3) i do buy the hype on Rollins (as the founder of his fan club when he was sitting on the bench for the Herd less than 2 years ago). I also buy the hype on KPJ.

4) As founder, also, of the Green fan club, his value decreases quickly if he continues to get 5 shots off a game. That's not acceptable. They made a concerted effort to get hm looks at the start of the third quarter and then forgot about him.

5) This team is Washington without Giannis, but so what? I suggest starting a Greek school in Milwaukee and import other Greek families from Greece, who are immune from ICE raids.


I can’t really blame Doc for trying something different on Brunson. He was cooking everyone besides Rollins and Rollins has to rest at some point, so throw the tall athletic dude on him and see if it works. It didn’t but worth a shot.

The reserve guard who is there to be an offensive spark plug doesn’t have to also stay in front of everyone. If he could, he wouldn’t have been available for the minimum. When GA and Turner are behind him, they can provide the rim protection. If the issue is Bobby can’t protect the rim then that’s a Bobby issue and maybe Sims should be the backup center because frankly Kuzma has been a better basketball player than Bobby thus far this season.

I agree AJG should get more shots up. Part of it is team’s would rather Turner or Trent or Rollins be open than AJG, but the Bucks should try to funnel the open shots his way.

Giannis would make almost any team a potential contender. Even if the roster would lose a ton of games without him, that doesn’t matter. What matters is how well they play off him and if they can play their roles to make other teams pay for showing Giannis so much attention. I think they can.
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Post#224 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:40 am

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tedbrogen wrote:No one has called out the best moment in last night’s game when whoever 55 is in the Knicks was calling for the ball trying to post up Giannis on the elbow. I believe he was asking Brunson to give up the ball so he could try to back down Giannis.


https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4871141/ariel-hukporti

Young and dumb. Would have been fun to see! :lol:



How is that guy in the league? Like what's he supposed to be good at? He's not worthy of a 2 way contract, and he's on their 15 man roster.

We're lucky to have the big man depth we have.
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Post#226 » by old skool » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:10 am

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This result isn't strictly the result of exogenous factors; it's also a result of choices. The choices are what we're discussing. You can plan for ideal circumstances and for contingencies. I guess I'm wondering if there's anything that we talk about where this line of logic wouldn't prefer silence.



I enjoy the theoretical discussions. I just think it is valid to understand that what is being discussed is most likely a lineup or lineups that would be on the court a small fraction of the time and would have a proportionate impact on the season. That is, incredibly small. Efforts to identify a rotation that impacts the season are not productive because there is no single significant rotation, but rather a large number of rotations impacted by both the ideal and random factors. Identifying the ideal grain of sand does not impact the beach because that ideal grain of sand is less significant than the broader population. Yet discussions on NBA rotations everywhere imply that it is the combination of talents carefully sequenced together to produce an ideal mix, when it is the availability and deployment of individual talents that end up being cobbled together by coaches reacting on the fly to myriad factors that produce the result. A given rotation or two typically has little impact on the result because it typically is not used very much. That is why I feel such a discussion is a "fools errand", even though people can find it of interest.


Well, not all minutes are created equal. The question isn't so much who we'd want on the floor for a majority of regular season minutes as it is who we want on the floor in high leverage moments. In the game we were eliminated, the same 5 man lineup played 33 minutes together, including 10 in the 4th and all of OT.

If you were coaching the team, who would you want on the floor in those kinds of situations? We will have those situations and there will be a go-to lineup.


I agree 100%. And those situations would vary depending on the time, score and opponent.

The ideal closing lineup is only loosely connected to discussions on who starts, who is on the second unit and how many minutes are allocated to each player - which is the discussion that I refer to as a "fools errand".

Maybe somewhere on RealGM there is a hotbed of discussions on ideal core lineups for playoff elimination games. I am not aware of that. Instead I see fans discussing regular season rotations.
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Post#227 » by German Athens » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:38 pm

Jesus, the Knicks had more 3pa, more rim attempts, a 13 oreb advantage, and the same number of turnovers and still lost.
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Post#228 » by SirChurros » Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:42 pm

One thing I would like to see is more sets run for Turner.

I am confident that his shooting will come around, but I think we’ll need him to play a bigger role in the offense as the season progresses. I love the development of our backcourt guys, but they will be streaky.

We need Turner to be a bonafide, steady scoring, number two. I don’t think just sticking him in the Brook pick and pop spot is the correct usage.
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Post#229 » by BigO » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:17 pm

I'm not a big fan of Towns, but he has had a quad injury all year and you could tell that during the game.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/new-york-knicks/karl-anthony-towns-injury-decision/
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Post#230 » by emunney » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:48 pm

SirChurros wrote:One thing I would like to see is more sets run for Turner.

I am confident that his shooting will come around, but I think we’ll need him to play a bigger role in the offense as the season progresses. I love the development of our backcourt guys, but they will be streaky.

We need Turner to be a bonafide, steady scoring, number two. I don’t think just sticking him in the Brook pick and pop spot is the correct usage.


Ehhh, I don't think he's got the skillset for that. He's got one post move and no handles. What do you have in mind?
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Post#231 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:36 pm

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SirChurros wrote:One thing I would like to see is more sets run for Turner.

I am confident that his shooting will come around, but I think we’ll need him to play a bigger role in the offense as the season progresses. I love the development of our backcourt guys, but they will be streaky.

We need Turner to be a bonafide, steady scoring, number two. I don’t think just sticking him in the Brook pick and pop spot is the correct usage.


Ehhh, I don't think he's got the skillset for that. He's got one post move and no handles. What do you have in mind?


I think you are correct. Seeing a seven footer make threes makes my 1990s basketball brain think “this guy can surely do everything!” But I think in reality he can make threes, screen and rim run, switch a little on non elite ball handlers, and play help defender at the rim. That’s his game. And its a really valuable player. But I don’t think we are going to get Jokic passing or Aldridge high post scoring.
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Post#232 » by -Jragon- » Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:43 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Regarding the orebs, we seem to be really bad at getting long rebounds off 3's and I feel like our hands have been really bad at actually bringing rebounds in.
I do think we can be more physical on the offensive rebounds. But keep in mind:

* if other teams brick more shots there will more chances for them to get offensive rebounds
* we had good position on KAT on many of those and he came in pushing in the back high with forearms -- those could/should have been loose ball fouls

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Post#233 » by SirChurros » Thu Oct 30, 2025 6:33 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:
emunney wrote:
SirChurros wrote:One thing I would like to see is more sets run for Turner.

I am confident that his shooting will come around, but I think we’ll need him to play a bigger role in the offense as the season progresses. I love the development of our backcourt guys, but they will be streaky.

We need Turner to be a bonafide, steady scoring, number two. I don’t think just sticking him in the Brook pick and pop spot is the correct usage.


Ehhh, I don't think he's got the skillset for that. He's got one post move and no handles. What do you have in mind?


I think you are correct. Seeing a seven footer make threes makes my 1990s basketball brain think “this guy can surely do everything!” But I think in reality he can make threes, screen and rim run, switch a little on non elite ball handlers, and play help defender at the rim. That’s his game. And its a really valuable player. But I don’t think we are going to get Jokic passing or Aldridge high post scoring.


I’m trying to find the stats and having trouble, but I’m pretty sure Turner is an effective scorer from the elbow/high post.

I just think he’s a more talented player than rim running and shooting threes. That’s what he’s best at, but I think they’ll need to milk more offense out of him.

He’s really not even doing much rim running yet.
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Post#234 » by KendallMarshall » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:02 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The Rollins/George Hill comps have been on this board for the past six months. That’s where I see him. And we never saw prime George Hill during his time here. He was on the downside then.

Idk man, George Hill was freaking awesome during that 2019 playoff run.
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Post#235 » by engelmartin » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:08 pm

KendallMarshall wrote:Idk man, George Hill was freaking awesome during that 2019 playoff run.

I hate to be the YouTube guy but this video is exhibit A and exhibit B.

I hope Rollins is able to reach the level George Hill was at that season. That quick release was sweet.

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