Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[milweskee]

i really think TJ Warren is going to prove a lot of people wrong. to put him in tier 5 with guys like patric young, and to put him a tier below a guy like tyler ennis is a slap in the face imo. he's going to be a stud.

it's gonna be sickening when a playoff team lands him in the later first.

I agree I think he's a sleeper.

[Ayt]

Kawhi's advanced stats are ridiculous though. On a per minutes bases, he is better than George every year of his career.
This is a good list to show the recent best young players
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws
Kawhi shows up all 3 years of his career. George shows up once for this past year.

man do i hate per minute projection stats sometimes.

i could be thrown into an nba game, hit a lucky 3 in 1 min and be benched right away and i'd be averaging 108 points per 36.

and as far as that list goes, ryan anderson is on there twice, is he > paul george?

Presumably you were born with a brain and are capable of applying context. The above argument doesn't help your case when it comes to the value of per minute stats. Do you also think ERA is a terrible stat in baseball since it is earned runs allowed per 9 innings and no one pitches 9 innings every game?

FWIW, I think the WS stat is garbage, but per minute stats have definite value when combined with basic basketball knowledge.

[skones]

Lol @ Smart being compared to Baron Davis. Davis was a terrific athlete. Smart is not.

Edit: I guess the whole undersized 2 guard thing but still.....

Completely disagree with this. Is Smart a freak, elite of elite athlete? No. But Smart IS a terrific athlete, particularly when coupled with his size.

[Zeezprah]

Kawhi's advanced stats are ridiculous though. On a per minutes bases, he is better than George every year of his career.
This is a good list to show the recent best young players
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws
Kawhi shows up all 3 years of his career. George shows up once for this past year.

man do i hate per minute projection stats sometimes.

i could be thrown into an nba game, hit a lucky 3 in 1 min and be benched right away and i'd be averaging 108 points per 36.

and as far as that list goes, ryan anderson is on there twice, is he > paul george?

Presumably you were born with a brain and are capable of applying context. The above argument doesn't help your case when it comes to the value of per minute stats. Do you also think ERA is a terrible stat in baseball since it is earned runs allowed per 9 innings and no one pitches 9 innings every game?

FWIW, I think the WS stat is garbage, but per minute stats have definite value when combined with basic basketball knowledge.

it's useful sure, but people over use the per 36 stat. just because a guy can come in for 9 minutes a game and do well, doesn't mean he'd do the exact thing times 4 with starter minutes.

[engelmartin]

I know this is total blasphemy and everything, but do you think we're overvaluing Giannis a little on this board? I'm as excited about this guy as everyone else, but what if his value is never going to be as high as it is now? As far as value, do you think he's a better prospect than Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I'm not proposing trading him, just entertaining this is a hypothetical. Could be an interesting discussion or debate.

[Ayt]

man do i hate per minute projection stats sometimes.

i could be thrown into an nba game, hit a lucky 3 in 1 min and be benched right away and i'd be averaging 108 points per 36.

and as far as that list goes, ryan anderson is on there twice, is he > paul george?

Presumably you were born with a brain and are capable of applying context. The above argument doesn't help your case when it comes to the value of per minute stats. Do you also think ERA is a terrible stat in baseball since it is earned runs allowed per 9 innings and no one pitches 9 innings every game?

FWIW, I think the WS stat is garbage, but per minute stats have definite value when combined with basic basketball knowledge.

it's useful sure, but people over use the per 36 stat. just because a guy can come in for 9 minutes a game and do well, doesn't mean he'd do the exact thing times 4 with starter minutes.

Another strawman.

[Zeezprah]

Presumably you were born with a brain and are capable of applying context. The above argument doesn't help your case when it comes to the value of per minute stats. Do you also think ERA is a terrible stat in baseball since it is earned runs allowed per 9 innings and no one pitches 9 innings every game?

FWIW, I think the WS stat is garbage, but per minute stats have definite value when combined with basic basketball knowledge.

it's useful sure, but people over use the per 36 stat. just because a guy can come in for 9 minutes a game and do well, doesn't mean he'd do the exact thing times 4 with starter minutes.

Another strawman.

oh

[LUKE23]

I know this is total blasphemy and everything, but do you think we're overvaluing Giannis a little on this board? I'm as excited about this guy as everyone else, but what if his value is never going to be as high as it is now? As far as value, do you think he's a better prospect than Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I'm not proposing trading him, just entertaining this is a hypothetical. Could be an interesting discussion or debate.

I think if you threw him into this draft now, he'd go no later than #5.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I know this is total blasphemy and everything, but do you think we're overvaluing Giannis a little on this board? I'm as excited about this guy as everyone else, but what if his value is never going to be as high as it is now? As far as value, do you think he's a better prospect than Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I'm not proposing trading him, just entertaining this is a hypothetical. Could be an interesting discussion or debate.

You must not read this board often. That topic has been discussed ad nauseam.

[europa]

I know this is total blasphemy and everything, but do you think we're overvaluing Giannis a little on this board? I'm as excited about this guy as everyone else, but what if his value is never going to be as high as it is now? As far as value, do you think he's a better prospect than Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I'm not proposing trading him, just entertaining this is a hypothetical. Could be an interesting discussion or debate.

I watched very little Bucks' basketball this past season but the few games I did watch he was very unimpressive. I came away constantly disappointed given all the hype surrounding him. Again, though, it was a very small sample size. He is skilled and obviously young but he didn't jump out and really wow me like I expected. As a means of comparison I loved Tobes from almost the second I saw him. I was immediately impressed with him. I didn't see that or feel it with Giannis but ultimately given how little I saw him I realize that may not mean a whole helluva lot.

[Badgerlander]

Is there any realistic scenario in which we end up with 3, 8, and 10? I know 8 is looking more and more likely but have their been any further rumblings of trading 2 for 3 and 10?

Nope

PJ (CLT)
Chad - Do you think the Cavs and 76ers would both agree to a 1 for 3+10 swap? Seems like it would allow the Cavs to load up on picks they could move in tandem with someone like Waiters/Bennett/Thompson for an established star. Whereas the 76ers guarantee themselves Wiggins.

Chad Ford (1:10 PM)
I'm not sure the Sixers would do this. They need talent and that No. 10 pick is very valuable to them. I think they'd offer Thaddeus Young and 3 for No. 1, but including the 10th pick would be too much for them. I don't blame them. There's a good chance, if Joel Embiid's back checks out that he's the No. 1 pick this year. If he goes 1, there's a very good chance the Sixers top target, Andrew Wiggins is there at No. 3

Also I think we only have a shot at #8 if Smart and Exum are off the board.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I had a vivid dream that we ended up with Wiggins and McDermott on draft night. That makes no sense so if it somehow happens I am a prophet.

[Wonka]

I had a vivid dream that we ended up with Wiggins and McDermott on draft night. That makes no sense so if it somehow happens I am a prophet.

Oh lord, I hope we don't get McDermott...

[MadBlueEdwards]

Granted this is from a message board recap of a radio interview with what I gather is Cleveland's version of Gery Woelfel, but here's some info on Embiid's Cleveland workout...

Recap of the Joe Kotoch Interview:

-Cavs only did the medical exam portion of the interview today.
-The team is comfortable with the back situation. There are no complications, eveything is healing properly.
-Doctors don't see any long term issues that should affect his career.
-Said the word "stress fracture" is a scary word, but they're actually more common than we realize. A lot of players encounter them without realizing until the condition gets worse. Being able to detect a stress fracture early and get it treated properly (like in Embiid's case) is huge.
-Right now Embiid is playing, training, and doing everything he's expected to do.
-Kotoch believes Embiid could contribute in the NBA right away. Specifically his shot blocking, rim protecting, and rebounding ability should translate immediately.
-According to Kotoch, just about everyone team in the league has Embiid ranked as the best prospect in the draft if his back checks out.
-At the beggining of the year, nobody had Embiid ranked as the #1 pick. He earned the distinction through his rapid improvement over the course of the year.

http://www.realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?43417-A-Closer-Look-at-Joel-Embiid/page97

[MrPerfect1]

No doubt. You can't prove what might have happened otherwise, but those extra 50 to 100 lotto combinations we "earned" might have made the difference between pick #2 and pick #5.

Technically, since PHI received the #3, the lowest we could have fallen with a few more wins is #4.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I had a vivid dream that we ended up with Wiggins and McDermott on draft night. That makes no sense so if it somehow happens I am a prophet.

I actually wouldn't mind that. I have unexplainable optimistic feeling about McDermott. For whatever reason I think he could end up being the second best scorer in this draft and the best shooter.

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[Zeezprah]

Here's a Gery agenda I could get behind...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/477133909453320192[/tweet]

Hells Yeah, that would be awesome. But he has to stop it with the Drew Gooden crap.

#midrange

that joke is really starting to make me cringe. it was funny the first 100 times.

i like rodgers' dry sense of humor (i'm the same), but it doesn't always go well over social media.

[Wise1]

i really think TJ Warren is going to prove a lot of people wrong. to put him in tier 5 with guys like patric young, and to put him a tier below a guy like tyler ennis is a slap in the face imo. he's going to be a stud.

it's gonna be sickening when a playoff team lands him in the later first.

I agree. I had him listed top 10 in one of my big boards. As of today...

1. Parker
2. Embiid
3. Smart
4. Wiggins
5. Exum
6. Randle
7. Gordon
8. Warren
9. Payton
10 Stauskas
11. Payne
12. K. Anderson
13. S. Napier
14. McDermott
15. Saric

[Newz]

I know this is total blasphemy and everything, but do you think we're overvaluing Giannis a little on this board? I'm as excited about this guy as everyone else, but what if his value is never going to be as high as it is now? As far as value, do you think he's a better prospect than Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I'm not proposing trading him, just entertaining this is a hypothetical. Could be an interesting discussion or debate.

I watched very little Bucks' basketball this past season but the few games I did watch he was very unimpressive. I came away constantly disappointed given all the hype surrounding him. Again, though, it was a very small sample size. He is skilled and obviously young but he didn't jump out and really wow me like I expected. As a means of comparison I loved Tobes from almost the second I saw him. I was immediately impressed with him. I didn't see that or feel it with Giannis but ultimately given how little I saw him I realize that may not mean a whole helluva lot.

I didn't watch a ton of games last year either and I have a very similar opinion. Must have missed the games where he was flashing greatness.

He does look like he's a nice piece though. I wouldn't count on him being a superstar or anything like that though. For now I'm hoping he gets to Batum's level as a player.

[MrPerfect1]

I had a vivid dream that we ended up with Wiggins and McDermott on draft night. That makes no sense so if it somehow happens I am a prophet.

I think that pairing makes a ton of sense. Wiggins/Giannis at the 2/3 has awesome athleticism but at least as of right now lacks outside shooting. McDermott provides awesome spacing at the 4 and any defensive questions should be minimized by Giannis and Wiggins.

I would feel much better with McDermott at 8 or 10 when he could easily be 90% or whatever of Jabari than Parker at 2.