Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

kid idioteque · Post #2301 » by **kid idioteque** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:16 am

If MBBOT were in charge of the Bucks:

-Trade Bogut for Javale McGee
-Trade Dunleavy and Ilyasova for Flynn and Dalembert
-Trade Harris and Gooden for Josh Smith
-Fire Scott Skiles
-Fire John Hammond
-Hire self as GM and head coach
-Sell Bucks for $30

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2302 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:18 am

JustinCredible wrote:I honestly would rather have Jennings than Curry. He is a year younger and doesn't have injury issues.

What injury issues!?

LOL...he has been hurt....once. That is being overblown. He has no injury issues. Why do fans keep saying that? Young players are learning to take care of their bodies and feet...

Even Jennings was hurt last year. He has only been in the league two years. Bogut has injury issues not Curry.

And you also have to look at the style of play Curry is playing in too. These are normal. You ask 10 or 30 people who would they take Jennings or Curry and you would probaly be split down the middle or 2 or three in favor or one or the other...for whatever reason.

Both great young assets.

linguini8 · Post #2303 » by **linguini8** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:20 am

This is what I've come up with as for as a MIL-ORL-GSW trade goes.
If it's off base or unfair let me know, feedback is appreciated.

Milwaukee
OUT: Bogut, Jax
IN: Brown, Thompson, Redick, Orton, ORL 1st

Orlando
OUT: Hedo, Redick, Orton, ORL 1st
IN: Ellis, Jax

Golden State
OUT: Ellis, Thompson, Brown
IN: Bogut, Hedo

Milwaukee receives future SG, late 1st, nice expiring, young cheap big

Orlando picks up 2 new starting wings to entice Dwight to stay

GSW may need more of a return. Perhaps if we threw in Sanders or if there was some other variation.

kid idioteque · Post #2304 » by **kid idioteque** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:21 am

I have no idea how Robin Lopez would fit into all of this. He's been pretty underwhelming, but he's stuck behind Gortat and doesn't get the minutes he might get on another team.

paul · Post #2305 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:22 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:I honestly would rather have Jennings than Curry. He is a year younger and doesn't have injury issues.

What injury issues!?

LOL...he has been hurt....once. That is being overblown. He has no injury issues.

Are you talking about Curry? He's been injured about 15 times and has major injury issues. If you're talking about Jennings you've completely misread the board, again.

icat2000 · Post #2306 » by **icat2000** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:24 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:I honestly would rather have Jennings than Curry. He is a year younger and doesn't have injury issues.

What injury issues!?

LOL...he has been hurt....once. That is being overblown. He has no injury issues. Why do fans keep saying that? Young players are learning to take care of their bodies and feet...

Even Jennings was hurt last year. He has only been in the league two years. Bogut has injury issues not Curry.

And you also have to look at the style of play Curry is playing in too. These are normal. You ask 10 or 30 people who would they take Jennings or Curry and you would probaly be split down the middle or 2 or three in favor or one or the other...for whatever reason.

Both great young assets.

Major structural problems with his ankle from what I have read. Do you not read the forums and reports.

paul · Post #2307 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:27 am

kid idioteque wrote:I have no idea how Robin Lopez would fit into all of this. He's been pretty underwhelming, but he's stuck behind Gortat and doesn't get the minutes he might get on another team.

He sucks.

I don't mean that in a way that I hate him or he's offended me in some way nor am I being an Aussie nuthugger just so we're clear, he just sucks at basketball.

That's going to be my waiver from now on

kid idioteque · Post #2308 » by **kid idioteque** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:28 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:I honestly would rather have Jennings than Curry. He is a year younger and doesn't have injury issues.

What injury issues!?

LOL...he has been hurt....once. That is being overblown. He has no injury issues. Why do fans keep saying that? Young players are learning to take care of their bodies and feet...

Even Jennings was hurt last year. He has only been in the league two years. Bogut has injury issues not Curry.

And you also have to look at the style of play Curry is playing in too. These are normal. You ask 10 or 30 people who would they take Jennings or Curry and you would probaly be split down the middle or 2 or three in favor or one or the other...for whatever reason.

Both great young assets.

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2309 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:28 am

europa wrote:
NW wrote:As a Warriors fan, my guess is, if the Warriors were willing to offer Curry in a Bogut deal, there'd be a deal right now.

If Curry was healthy that would be true. But he's not. So if he is being offered it's not a slam-dunk call for the Bucks, especially if there is any concern or belief his ankle injuries will remain a chronic problem. The primary reason why the Bucks are making Bogut available is because he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Swapping him for another player with injury issues isn't an easy decision to make.

???? Bogut is hurt too you know. And his chronic elbow will never be the same. So if they are offering Curry....DO IT.

I would rather have Monta Ellis.

paul · Post #2310 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:29 am

Of course you would....

JayMKE · Post #2311 » by **JayMKE** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:40 am

so we go from Stephen Curry to Klay Thompson and JJ Redick

BARF

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2312 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:00 am

paul wrote:I don't do an Ellis deal or a Curry deal. If Curry was healthy I would but his ankles scare the crap out of me.

These teams are going to struggle to come up with something without a third party involved.

That is insane!!!!

BOGUT'S ELBOW SHOULD SCARE YOU....or teams! Take what you can get with him! Fans are so unrealistic in here it is sickening! Ah hello, Bogut is hurt too. What are you worried about Curry's ankle for!?

You do any deal right now for Bogut! How silly can you be?

WTF do you think you are getting for Bogut!? Seriously!? Stephen Curry? Are you crazy? You do that deal in a heartbeat right now...and run like hell before they ask for him back. I think somse of you have lost your minds. I respect opinions but this is ridiculous...

Monta Ellis? You trip over yourself if the Warriors are offering him in ANY PACKAGE are you nuts!? What do you think this is. This is not fantasy baseketball....son.

You keep bringing up these injuries and don;'t bring up Bogut's! If you won;'t take Curry or Ellis for Bogut you are a fool...I'm sorry.

A guy who has not stayed healthy in 1 full year since we drafted him and you are crying about the best young shooter in the NBA with All NBA potential before he is done of the best pound for pound scorer in the NBA in Ellis!?

Get outta here....hell yes you do it!

DanoMac · Post #2313 » by **DanoMac** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:07 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:This is not fantasy baseketball....son.

Exactly why you're not figuring out why Ellis for Bogut is bad FOR US. It's not fantasy basketball.

kid idioteque · Post #2314 » by **kid idioteque** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:12 am

It's clear that "Bogut fatigue" has begun to affect many of us. Not sure if that's positive or negative as to how we view potential trades. The Warriors board seems to love the idea of acquiring him. This might be the rare case of a franchise and/or its fans undervaluing one of its own players. As I've said before, I like the guy. He's a good player and he was as nice as could be when I met him. But there have just been too many different things keeping him off the court.

-Elbow injury
-Back problems
-Ankle injury
-Conditioning issues
-Problems with Skiles
-Migraines
-Personal issues requiring him to return to Australia

It's unknown how his involvement in the Australian national team affected any of the aforementioned issues. What I do know is that Curry has one issue - his ankles - an issue that has been corrected by other NBA stars in the past. Assuming Curry is the guy, I don't see how you can pass on him if there's a reasonable offer on the table. He would fit right in with the youth movement that so many of you are clamoring for, especially if the deal took Jackson and/or Gooden out of the equation.

skones · Post #2315 » by **skones** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:34 am

linguini8 wrote:This is what I've come up with as for as a MIL-ORL-GSW trade goes.
If it's off base or unfair let me know, feedback is appreciated.

Milwaukee
OUT: Bogut, Jax
IN: Brown, Thompson, Redick, Orton, ORL 1st

Orlando
OUT: Hedo, Redick, Orton, ORL 1st
IN: Ellis, Jax

Golden State
OUT: Ellis, Thompson, Brown
IN: Bogut, Hedo

Milwaukee receives future SG, late 1st, nice expiring, young cheap big

Orlando picks up 2 new starting wings to entice Dwight to stay

GSW may need more of a return. Perhaps if we threw in Sanders or if there was some other variation.

So Orlando gives up nothing of value and comes away a far better team? They essentially shave a year off Hedo's contract and end up getting Ellis for Redick, Orton, and a late first round pick. That's not happening.

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2316 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:36 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:If Curry was completely healthy we wouldn't even be having a conversation about him. Take a risk and hope you can get a great young player for the future.

If he was healthy you WOULDN'T GET HIM FOR BOGUT! I would take Curry or Monta Ellis and be elated!

You and Paul need wake up. Bogut and Jackson is not healthy! So what diffrerence does it make!?

If you can unload he injury plague flop that is Bogut and the mistake that was Jackosn and get Steph Curry....YOU DO IT imo! And you thank and praise your gods for it! The Bucks are not in control here my friends as much as you think they are. It will take a few deals to right this ship.

This IS A NO-BRAINER! And you sort out the rest later. Don't worry about his ankle. Look at Bogut's ankle! Hell look at his elbow. You want a healthy starter for him and a pick? You act like he is Shaq!

Move him....Many of you are so arrogant or deluded to want teams to want to take Bogut hurt and Jackson off your hands then you cry about Curry being hurt!? You should BE GLAD someone wants him now!

And for a legit Starter ...no less! Beggers can't be choosers. You also want a slam dunk deal done in one swwop. It doesn't work like that. This is salary dump deal and Bogut has lost his trade value. If he was healthy then I can see where you all are coming from.... but not now.

We have failed making moves before because of injuries. We are lucky teams would consider taking him him now and the team is winning without him and we can still add a starterby moving him and clearing his salary or taking back some with healthy players ...and you crying?

If I am the owner I would love to get my money back on the floor! Injuries has locked my money up in Bogut every year and Jackson is being paid my money and Skiles won't play him! You have to look at things teh right way. This is business.

You got dead money and you can unload it, and you all are crying about non-essentials. You do this deal....plain and simple.

And after it is over you re-evaluate the coaching, training staff and general manager and see how you can get a roster in here,, play the players that you pay for and keep them on the floor.

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2317 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:08 am

I so want Ersan Ilyasova for Evan Turner right now....Philly really wanted Ersan when we took him.
I would move him for Evan Turner so fast it make your head spin....

Ersan could help Philly without destroying their chemistry. Put Iggy at SG Ersan at SF and you got Lou Williams and Thaddeus off the bench with Meeks, Hawes returns soon...

I would love Evan Turner on this team now.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2318 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:17 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:If Curry was completely healthy we wouldn't even be having a conversation about him. Take a risk and hope you can get a great young player for the future.

If he was healthy you WOULDN'T GET HIM FOR BOGUT! I would take Curry or Monta Ellis and be elated!

You and Paul need wake up. Bogut and Jackson is not healthy! So what diffrerence does it make!?

If you can unload he injury plague flop that is Bogut and the mistake that was Jackosn and get Steph Curry....YOU DO IT imo! And you thank and praise your gods for it! The Bucks are not in control here my friends as much as you think they are. It will take a few deals to right this ship.

This IS A NO-BRAINER! And you sort out the rest later. Don't worry about his ankle. Look at Bogut's ankle! Hell look at his elbow. You want a healthy starter for him and a pick? You act like he is Shaq!

Move him....Many of you are so arrogant or deluded to want teams to want to take Bogut hurt and Jackson off your hands then you cry about Curry being hurt!? You should BE GLAD someone wants him now!

And for a legit Starter ...no less! Beggers can't be choosers. You also want a slam dunk deal done in one swwop. It doesn't work like that. This is salary dump deal and Bogut has lost his trade value. If he was healthy then I can see where you all are coming from.... but not now.

We have failed making moves before because of injuries. We are lucky teams would consider taking him him now and the team is winning without him and we can still add a starterby moving him and clearing his salary or taking back some with healthy players ...and you crying?

If I am the owner I would love to get my money back on the floor! Injuries has locked my money up in Bogut every year and Jackson is being paid my money and Skiles won't play him! You have to look at things teh right way. This is business.

You got dead money and you can unload it, and you all are crying about non-essentials. You do this deal....plain and simple.

And after it is over you re-evaluate the coaching, training staff and general manager and see how you can get a roster in here,, play the players that you pay for and keep them on the floor.

You went on that entire **** rant about the exact thing I said. If he was healthy we couldn't even get him I said, you are a **** idiot.

icat2000 · Post #2319 » by **icat2000** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:21 am

I think he just likes to have the longest rants.

paul · Post #2320 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:32 am

He also said that if you get the chance to unload injured players you should jump at it, and that we need to stop worrying about non-essential things with Curry - like injuries. He said this in the same sentence.

I'd say he's an idiot but that's exactly what he wants. He's not real, it's a second account for Press or GAD or someone taking the piss.