Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

Bernman · Post #2301 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:34 pm

BobbyLight wrote:He took a pen from the bank by mistake. It wasn't attached to the tether.

Illegal gift received.

It's a slippery slope to an Escalade.

Bernman · Post #2302 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:52 pm

In all seriousness, it's situations like these, as well as just downright fairness, which show why the NBA should have a TRUE minor league system. Because I see no good option for him as things are today.

1. Go to the d-league and get paid peanuts playing under no pressure in front of ma and pa
2. Go to Europe and ride some pine because you're 18, an individual, and will only be there 1 year
3. Go to China and play against crumb bums

All of those options will likely be terrible for the development of a potential NBA star and/or not be financially viable for him.

If he was eligible for this year's draft he would have gotten picked in the top 5 or 10. Now, he doesn't deserve the few million bucks per sight unseen that comes along with that right now, but if he proves not good enough yet, or ever, with a true minor league system he could make a few hundred k instead with the Madison Milk Maids or Des Moines Dingleberries. All while competing against fellow bona fide prospects instead of the current dream chasers that populate the D-League. It's too fair, and makes too much sense, which is why the NBA won't do it.

And as an aside, I think this system would actually help, not hinder, college basketball too. Because without the guaranteed millions, the players who are serious about getting an education, would stay, and be 3-4 season college stars like in yesteryear. Now if you stay past 2 or even 1 year, the perception is there's something really wrong with you. College is an unwanted detour on the way to the NBA, not an experience and reward in and of itself.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #2303 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:24 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/488780798787457025[/tweet]

eagle13 · Post #2304 » by **eagle13** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:25 pm

RRyder823 wrote:I agree with this for the most part but I also think that it might be a mistake to think Henson will/should see big minutes to "see what he has"... There's been a couple coach's to come through now that haven't thought enough of Henson to give him big minutes to develop him or see "what he has". At this point I'm guessing that all they see in him is a potential bench player long term and don't think he can improve to be much more then he is right now and don't feel the extra minutes are going to be all that beneficial.

Either that or he has an ability to get into a coach's dog house without too many people knowing about it. It's just when your a young 1st rounder and multiple coach's don't think you deserve quality minutes then there's probably something more to it then what we've seen/heard.... Just sayin

what coaches? Source? don't buy it.

emunney · Post #2305 » by **emunney** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:25 pm

Sucks that we're not shopping Ilyasova.

Matches Malone · Post #2306 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:25 pm

emunney wrote:Sucks that we're not shopping Ilyasova.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/488780798787457025[/tweet]

:reporter:

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #2307 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:28 pm

I think he was being sarcastic since Gery tends to be samsonite with his insight.

RRyder823 · Post #2308 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:28 pm

eagle13 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:I agree with this for the most part but I also think that it might be a mistake to think Henson will/should see big minutes to "see what he has"... There's been a couple coach's to come through now that haven't thought enough of Henson to give him big minutes to develop him or see "what he has". At this point I'm guessing that all they see in him is a potential bench player long term and don't think he can improve to be much more then he is right now and don't feel the extra minutes are going to be all that beneficial.

Either that or he has an ability to get into a coach's dog house without too many people knowing about it. It's just when your a young 1st rounder and multiple coach's don't think you deserve quality minutes then there's probably something more to it then what we've seen/heard.... Just sayin

what coaches? Source? don't buy it.

What do you mean sources??? He hasn't gottin any big minutes givein to him by any coach that's been here since he got drafted. Didn't think that really needed a source at this point. I was simply pointing out that at this point you'd have to think theres a reason for it

driese0824 · Post #2309 » by **driese0824** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:18 pm

Just my 2 cents but since the bucks are so short on shooters why not see if u could lure ray Allen back here.It would be very cool to have him end his career with the team he started with.
Plus he can still shoot as he proved last year.The bucks do lack that Mike dun.jr type shooter

RRyder823 · Post #2310 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:23 pm

driese0824 wrote:Just my 2 cents but since the bucks are so short on shooters why not see if u could lure ray Allen back here.It would be very cool to have him end his career with the team he started with.
Plus he can still shoot as he proved last year.The bucks do lack that Mike dun.jr type shooter

It would be nice from a PR standpoint around here but Ray in all likelihood is following Lebron to the Cavs. He's trying to chase rings right now and if not just win games and compete. He enjoys playing with Lebron and wants to win now way too much for him to consider coming back to the Bucks right now

randy84 · Post #2311 » by **randy84** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:26 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
eagle13 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:I agree with this for the most part but I also think that it might be a mistake to think Henson will/should see big minutes to "see what he has"... There's been a couple coach's to come through now that haven't thought enough of Henson to give him big minutes to develop him or see "what he has". At this point I'm guessing that all they see in him is a potential bench player long term and don't think he can improve to be much more then he is right now and don't feel the extra minutes are going to be all that beneficial.

Either that or he has an ability to get into a coach's dog house without too many people knowing about it. It's just when your a young 1st rounder and multiple coach's don't think you deserve quality minutes then there's probably something more to it then what we've seen/heard.... Just sayin

what coaches? Source? don't buy it.

What do you mean sources??? He hasn't gottin any big minutes givein to him by any coach that's been here since he got drafted. Didn't think that really needed a source at this point. I was simply pointing out that at this point you'd have to think theres a reason for it

Let me take a stab at it.

Because the coaches sucked!?!?

Wonka · Post #2312 » by **Wonka** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Kidd would never allow Illasova to be traded.

RRyder823 · Post #2313 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:29 pm

Shaping up to be a boring offseason. Either make an offer to Bledsoe that the Bucks think will be too rich for the Suns taste and that they'll probably still match or just sit back and see what we got with the players we have. Don't really have problem with either scenario.

RRyder823 · Post #2314 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:35 pm

randy84 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
eagle13 wrote:
what coaches? Source? don't buy it.

What do you mean sources??? He hasn't gottin any big minutes givein to him by any coach that's been here since he got drafted. Didn't think that really needed a source at this point. I was simply pointing out that at this point you'd have to think theres a reason for it

Let me take a stab at it.

Because the coaches sucked!?!?

Yes. But that still doesn't mean they were wrong on Henson. Coach's do get to see a player a lot more then any of us. But I will give you that previous coach's might have erred in not seeing his ability but that's not nesicarilly a givein. If Kidd doesn't play him big minutes then wouldn't you then think that the previous coach's were right on Henson though then?

randy84 · Post #2315 » by **randy84** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:37 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
randy84 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
What do you mean sources??? He hasn't gottin any big minutes givein to him by any coach that's been here since he got drafted. Didn't think that really needed a source at this point. I was simply pointing out that at this point you'd have to think theres a reason for it

Let me take a stab at it.

Because the coaches sucked!?!?

Yes. But that still doesn't mean they were wrong on Henson. Coach's do get to see a player a lot more then any of us. But I will give you that previous coach's might have erred in not seeing his ability but that's not nesicarilly a givein. If Kidd doesn't play him big minutes then wouldn't you then think that the previous coach's were right on Henson though then?

Skiles didn't want to play Sanders either until he was forced too. Skiles benched Ersan. Ersan only started playing again after Skiles was fired.

Does that mean Sanders and Ersan aren't good either?

MetroDrugUnit · Post #2316 » by **MetroDrugUnit** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:49 pm

Wonka wrote:Kidd would never allow Illasova to be traded.

Gery's about to break "Kidd will not trade Illasova for Love.... So just forget about it OK"

raferfenix · Post #2317 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:28 pm

Kidd on Giannis from the Suns game:

"He reminds me of Scottie Pippen, kind of a Magic guy, who can find the open guy. Very comfortable with the ball in his hands in the open court"

:nod:

Giannis being viewed as a point forward and maybe even a straight up PG could be impacting what we're looking for long term at the 1.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #2318 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:33 pm

MetroDrugUnit wrote:
Wonka wrote:Kidd would never allow Illasova to be traded.

Gery's about to break "Kidd will not trade Illasova for Love.... So just forget about it OK"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usnC48lrsg[/youtube]

RRyder823 · Post #2319 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:08 pm

randy84 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
randy84 wrote:
Let me take a stab at it.

Because the coaches sucked!?!?

Yes. But that still doesn't mean they were wrong on Henson. Coach's do get to see a player a lot more then any of us. But I will give you that previous coach's might have erred in not seeing his ability but that's not nesicarilly a givein. If Kidd doesn't play him big minutes then wouldn't you then think that the previous coach's were right on Henson though then?

Skiles didn't want to play Sanders either until he was forced too. Skiles benched Ersan. Ersan only started playing again after Skiles was fired.

Does that mean Sanders and Ersan aren't good either?

I never said that Henson couldn't be a good player. But to assume that he is worthy of big minutes when there isn't a ton of evidence to point torwards that fact other then the fact the he's young is backwards to me. Also Sanders didn't get a whole lot of burn because he was constantly in foul trouble. It was only after he corrected that did he start seeing minutes and was a DPOY canidate. While I've never been a big fan of Ersan he saw his minutes drop when his play started to take a dive. Point being Skiles was here to win games. Like it or not but he didn't have to much of an interest in developing every player that came through. After Skiles left he improved but I'd put that more on him simply feeling like he had more freedom and just a plain and simple better attitude.

Once again I'm not saying I think Henson can't be a good player but it seems like a lot of people think the big problem is just that he isn't getting minutes and not even considering the fact that maybe in practice he hasn't shown enough to warrant big minutes or that he hasn't been impressive enough on a consistent basis in games to be a 30 minute a night player. The coach's he's had could be wrong but to simply assume that's the case is the same as saying that every single player that's been on the bucks since then that haven't been able to crack the rotaion is simply the coach's not giving them a chance and stunting their development. It is possible that the coach's he's had while even being bad, (I thought skiles at least got the most out of his players but whatever), might just have a better grasp on what kind of player Henson is then any of us.

I could be wrong and we'll see if Kidd gives him the minutes that so many want but what if he doesn't? Does that mean that Kidd can't judge talent either or would you be able to concede that it might not be the coach's at that point? It might be Henson. I view Henson as a 6th man type being the primary back-up at PF and C so I defenatly don't think he's a bad player but to expect him to get 25-30 minutes per game without anything else to back it up on other then the fact that he's young is backwards thinking to me.

RRyder823 · Post #2320 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:Kidd on Giannis from the Suns game:

"He reminds me of Scottie Pippen, kind of a Magic guy, who can find the open guy. Very comfortable with the ball in his hands in the open court"

Giannis being viewed as a point forward and maybe even a straight up PG could be impacting what we're looking for long term at the 1.

I agree with that. If he's serious about Giannis running the point your not going to be so hamstrung by needing a "traditional" PG.