Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[SkilesTheLimit]

If they make this DEN deal, it tells me one thing: Kidd doesn't believe Knight is a PG.

Lawson would be the player they are targeting and feel he's the guy they want to piece with Jabari/Giannis moving forward. And I'm fine with that. He's only 27 and will have another 6 years of solid play left in him.

[Lippo]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kk4x7f4

This works, we throw LAC 1st to Denver if & a 2nd to Denver if need to.

[theFireBlanket]

I gave this a go. It works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2o867y

Bucks Out: Ersan and Dudley to SAC + Henson and Middleton to DEN + 2017 Clips 1st to SAC

Denver Out: Lawson and Afflalo to MKE

SAC Out: Casspi to MKE, Stauskas and Jason Thompson to Denver

I think Denver makes out like a bandit here, getting Henson, Middleton and Stauskas for a blow-it up rebuild

SAC gets Ersan, Dudley and a future first. Only happens if Randive is dumb.

MKE gets good vets for win now but thin front court remains.

Sub Nurkic for Afflalo, Casspi out of deal and it's much better for Milwaukee. Works in trade machine. Also works with Thompson/Stauskas going to either Milwaukee or Denver in place of eachother.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qeg3ffd

I prefer taking Stauskas. I'm not sure I like the prospect of giving up Henson or Khris. KM has great chemistry here and John is coming on but getting Lawson to end Knight at PG might be worth it. Throw in Nurkic for giving up J Hook.

[wisportsfan4]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kk4x7f4

This works, we throw LAC 1st to Denver if & a 2nd to Denver if need to.

Yes, please.

[paulpressey25]

I prefer taking Stauskas. I'm not sure I like the prospect of giving up Henson or Khris. KM has great chemistry here and John is coming on but getting Lawson to end Knight at PG might be worth it. Throw in Nurkic for giving up J Hook.

Oh, I don't like the deal. I was just trying to play along with GAD and Wichmae suggesting those three names coming to the Bucks.

I'd much rather keep Henson and Middleton while trying to get Stauskas. I think adding Lawson/Afflalo/Casspi and sending out those other guys would be too big a chemistry change for a team mid-season if the purpose was to "win now".

[WeekapaugGroove]

No way Denver trades Nurkic. they love that dude and view him as a long term piece.

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[Lippo]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvbvnql

Or this may work better if the kings like Middleton... LAC 1st to Denver , though may not even be needed , Denver may have to add Lawson just to dump mcghee, in fact there was even talk of them adding a 1st to do so earlier in the thread.

[The Rebel]

I gave this a go. It works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2o867y

Bucks Out: Ersan and Dudley to SAC + Henson and Middleton to DEN + 2017 Clips 1st to SAC

Denver Out: Lawson and Afflalo to MKE

SAC Out: Casspi to MKE, Stauskas and Jason Thompson to Denver

I think Denver makes out like a bandit here, getting Henson, Middleton and Stauskas for a blow-it up rebuild

SAC gets Ersan, Dudley and a future first. Only happens if Randive is dumb.

MKE gets good vets for win now but thin front court remains.

I could actually see the Nuggets doing something like that, although I do not think the Nuggets make out all that great in the deal. Lawson does not have problems with his knees as others in this thread have stated over and over again, he has a screwed up ankle, but he has been playing the most minutes in his career and does not seem to be showing ill effects.

Also I think you are underrating Afflalo, like it or not he is a solid starting SG, he is not special but considering the lack of starting SGs in the league he will have value. The Nuggets just gave up cap space and a solid young prospect for him, and I could see him holding the same type of value now.

If you look at it like this
Lawson for Stauskas, Henson, and a bad contract
Afflalo for Middleton and cap space
The deal does not look like a steal at all for the Nuggets, especially when you look at how bad Stauskas has been so far, however if they do blow it all up I can see a deal like this working for them.

Sub Nurkic for Afflalo, Casspi out of deal and it's much better for Milwaukee. Works in trade machine. Also works with Thompson/Stauskas going to either Milwaukee or Denver in place of eachother.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qeg3ffd

I prefer taking Stauskas. I'm not sure I like the prospect of giving up Henson or Khris. KM has great chemistry here and John is coming on but getting Lawson to end Knight at PG might be worth it. Throw in Nurkic for giving up J Hook.

The only way Denver includes Nurkic is if you include alphabet man, and even then I doubt they do it. Nurkic looks like he is going to be a franchise level center at this point, I doubt the Nuggets even consider trading him for anybody outside of Durant or Anthony Davis.

[htr]

Gotta get stauskas in the deal too somehow. Lawson and stauskas we shouls end up with. Absorb thompson or landry if it helps (especially if sending out ersan and henson).

[Ruzious]

Especially if Denver goes to rebuild mode, it would make zero sense for them to inlcude Nurkic.

Fwiw, Lawson leads the NBA in games with 10 or more assists this season. And unlike Marshall, he can score and run.

[The Rebel]

I prefer taking Stauskas. I'm not sure I like the prospect of giving up Henson or Khris. KM has great chemistry here and John is coming on but getting Lawson to end Knight at PG might be worth it. Throw in Nurkic for giving up J Hook.

Oh, I don't like the deal. I was just trying to play along with GAD and Wichmae suggesting those three names coming to the Bucks.

I'd much rather keep Henson and Middleton while trying to get Stauskas. I think adding Lawson/Afflalo/Casspi and sending out those other guys would be too big a chemistry change for a team mid-season if the purpose was to "win now".

Looking from the outside in I do not think this is a win now move, I think this is a get better now and go for it next year.

Lawson is actually a guy who would be a good fit for the Bucks with G and Parker, he is a pass 1st PG that understands how to get guys easy shots. I personally think his ankle is being overblown in this thread, because the real truth is that I do not think Connelly likes pass 1st PGs, he is more into scoring PGs as witnessed by his signing Nate Robinson, drafting Eric Green, and trading Andre Miller for Aaron Brooks and now trading for Nelson. Lawson is not a score 1st guy, and it shows in his shooting percentages as he is just not the guy to carry the offensive load. He likes spreading the ball around and getting guys easy shots.

Afflalo is also a solid player, his defense has sufferred since he has been asked to score more, but he is a solid all around player that is a team player. While I think he will get a bigger contract this summer, I am not so sure it is going to be as big of a jump as some are saying. He is also a good fit on that roster, as the biggest need the Bucks have is guards who will take a back seat to your forwards.

Casspi only makes sense to me for this year though, as he is a solid backup SF but you already have those spots basically locked up.

[jakecronus8]

As I said before, if we get Stauskas and Lawson without giving up JP, GA or our first this year I bow down to the new regime. Literally any other combo of assets.

[raferfenix]

What if the the Kings are just cut out?

Middleton / LAC pick / Dudley for Lawson.

Bucks absorb some salary to save Denver money. Works in trade machine.

[M-C-G]

There are so many possible combinations between SAC, DEN and MKE...I've constructed like 20 different variations, my only problem is that they start getting too big and I just can't imagine we are going to trade half of our team.

I think there is something simple with the LAC 1st and maybe something else going to DEN on top of;

DEN IN: Stauskas, Williams, picks
DEN OUT: Lawson

SAC IN: Ersan, Bayless
SAC OUT: Stauskas, Williams, Thompson

MKE IN: Lawson, Thompson
MKE OUT: Ersan, Bayless, picks

Probably would need to add Middleton to Denver?

[The Rebel]

As I said before, if we get Stauskas and Lawson without giving up JP, GA or our first this year I bow down to the new regime. Literally any other combo of assets.

Why would Denver give up clearly the best player in the deal and arguably the 2nd best player in the deal and not get back the best prospect?

I am not here to insult you guys and I like Henson, but at best he is going to be a slightly better on offense and slightly worse on defense version of Marcus Camby, who while good was never a great player. Middleton is a good shooter but is never going to be better than a 4th or 5th starter. A heavily protected 1st is also not all that valuable since the Clippers still have a ton of talent on their roster.

The only way this deal makes any sense for the Nuggets is if they are getting pieces around Nurkic that they believe can be long term fits around him, or valuable trade pieces down the road. Stauskas right now is the best prospect out of the bunch, if you believe he can be a long term starter, which looking at his number the predraft skeptics may have been right in that he is a bust, which limits his value, but he looks like he could be the only future prospect with a chance to be special.

[The Rebel]

What if the the Kings are just cut out?

Middleton / LAC pick / Dudley for Lawson.

Bucks absorb some salary to save Denver money. Works in trade machine.

Why would the Nuggets do that?


From reading this entire thread, it seems that your 2 sources are giving the Bucks offer, not the deal that the Nuggets want, yet you guys think it will be less than that?

This really underrates Lawson. hell Jrue Holiday was traded for 2 good lottery picks 2 years ago, and Lawson is a clearly better player than him. I know that the Pelicans overpaid, but not by that much, and the Nuggets are not just going to give Lawson away if they even trade him.

[jakecronus8]

As I said before, if we get Stauskas and Lawson without giving up JP, GA or our first this year I bow down to the new regime. Literally any other combo of assets.

Why would Denver give up clearly the best player in the deal and arguably the 2nd best player in the deal and not get back the best prospect?

I am not here to insult you guys and I like Henson, but at best he is going to be a slightly better on offense and slightly worse on defense version of Marcus Camby, who while good was never a great player. Middleton is a good shooter but is never going to be better than a 4th or 5th starter. A heavily protected 1st is also not all that valuable since the Clippers still have a ton of talent on their roster.

The only way this deal makes any sense for the Nuggets is if they are getting pieces around Nurkic that they believe can be long term fits around him, or valuable trade pieces down the road. Stauskas right now is the best prospect out of the bunch, if you believe he can be a long term starter, which looking at his number the predraft skeptics may have been right in that he is a bust, which limits his value, but he looks like he could be the only future prospect with a chance to be special.

I'm going off the rumor that Denver likes Middleton more than Stauskas. Not saying it's likely. Just saying if it happened I'd worship at the church of LED.

[MilHammer]

Haven't read all the most recent posts, but is Ersan/Clips 1st for Stauskas still on the table? Or does it seem like were more interested in going for Lawson? I don't see any 3 way trade being a good deal for us.

[theFireBlanket]

What if the the Kings are just cut out?

Middleton / LAC pick / Dudley for Lawson.

Bucks absorb some salary to save Denver money. Works in trade machine.

Why would the Nuggets do that?


From reading this entire thread, it seems that your 2 sources are giving the Bucks offer, not the deal that the Nuggets want, yet you guys think it will be less than that?

This really underrates Lawson. hell Jrue Holiday was traded for 2 good lottery picks 2 years ago, and Lawson is a clearly better player than him. I know that the Pelicans overpaid, but not by that much, and the Nuggets are not just going to give Lawson away if they even trade him.

What about Lawson/Nurkic for Knight, Henson, Middleton & the LAC pick?

[Insomniaac]

What if the the Kings are just cut out?

Middleton / LAC pick / Dudley for Lawson.

Bucks absorb some salary to save Denver money. Works in trade machine.

Why would the Nuggets do that?


From reading this entire thread, it seems that your 2 sources are giving the Bucks offer, not the deal that the Nuggets want, yet you guys think it will be less than that?

This really underrates Lawson. hell Jrue Holiday was traded for 2 good lottery picks 2 years ago, and Lawson is a clearly better player than him. I know that the Pelicans overpaid, but not by that much, and the Nuggets are not just going to give Lawson away if they even trade him.

What about Lawson/Nurkic for Knight, Henson, Middleton & the LAC pick?

There's no way they're giving up Nurkic without us giving up Giannis or Jabari