#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[LUKE23]

Amnestying Gooden and re-signing Ilyasova makes way too much sense for it to happen. Ross at 14, Crowder at 42.

Jennings/Udrih
Ellis/Ross
Harris/Dunleavy/Crowder
Ilyasova/Moute
Dalembert/Sanders/Udoh

That frontcourt is disgusting defensively. Backcourt is athletic. Lots of good shooters off the bench. I'd watch that team.

[jr lucosa]

If Ross is there I think he'll be the guy. Otherwise my money's on Jones.

I fear you are correct

Who would you like over Ross at 14 xT?

Edit: Just seen your Edit.

[JoeHova]

I would have rather not included Leuer too, but the reality is that there are three young PF/C already on the roster better than him, and that could be five if we re-sign Ilyasova or draft another.

When did the Bucks acquire these other guys? The only big on the roster better than Leuer was Ersan. Leuer may not be a prototypical starter but he's a valuable piece to have, unlike most of the other players on the roster. Oh well, it's not like Hammond being an idiot is a surprise at this point, it's just kind of a shame to see him undoing one of his few good moves after only a year.

[humanrefutation]

Amnestying Gooden and re-signing Ilyasova makes way too much sense for it to happen. Ross at 14, Crowder at 42.

Jennings/Udrih
Ellis/Ross
Harris/Dunleavy/Crowder
Ilyasova/Moute
Dalembert/Sanders/Udoh

That frontcourt is disgusting defensively. Backcourt is athletic. Lots of good shooters off the bench. I'd watch that team.

Not a fan of Crowder, but I agree, this team would be fun to watch.

[Nebula1]

I like it for both teams. Good to have another WI boy in Leuer down here and I think Dalembert will fit into the Bucks big rotation nicely. Hopefully it squashes the desire to draft a center and we're still looking at a shooting guard.

[xTitan]

If Ross is there I think he'll be the guy. Otherwise my money's on Jones.

I fear you are correct

Who would you like over Ross at 14 xT?

I amended that, would love to get Ross but don't believe he is there. I don't like Terrence Jones, just a guy IMO....I hate trading down in the NBA and it might not be a big deal this year unless of course you wanted Ross or Lamb, who ever would have slipped to you at 12 and they go with the 13th pick. The klay Thompson thing still really pisses me off.

[WiscoKing13]

Oh and the big news is, this KILLS any chance of D-12 going to HOU. The numbers simply don't work.

[RiotPunch]

Dally (25) / Sanders (18) / Udoh (5)

Or something like that, would be a center rotation I could definitely live with. Now, to focus on that PF rotation... I hope to God Gooden is somehow out of the equation, but I doubt it. I'd love an Ersan/Moute/Udoh platoon there. If the interest in T. Jones is legit, I bet we're looking at Gooden / Moute / Udoh / T.Jones, keeping the PF surplus going strong.

[LUKE23]

When did the Bucks acquire these other guys? The only big on the roster better than Leuer was Ersan. Leuer may not be a prototypical starter but he's a valuable piece to have, unlike most of the other players on the roster. Oh well, it's not like Hammond being an idiot is a surprise at this point, it's just kind of a shame to see him undoing one of his few good moves after only a year.

You like Leuer as a prospect OVERALL more than Sanders, Udoh, or Moute? I disagree and disagree strongly.

[xTitan]

I would have rather not included Leuer too, but the reality is that there are three young PF/C already on the roster better than him, and that could be five if we re-sign Ilyasova or draft another.

When did the Bucks acquire these other guys? The only big on the roster better than Leuer was Ersan. Leuer may not be a prototypical starter but he's a valuable piece to have, unlike most of the other players on the roster. Oh well, it's not like Hammond being an idiot is a surprise at this point, it's just kind of a shame to see him undoing one of his few good moves after only a year.

You just pi$$ed off the Larry Sanders fan club

[RiotPunch]

Amnestying Gooden and re-signing Ilyasova makes way too much sense for it to happen. Ross at 14, Crowder at 42.

Jennings/Udrih
Ellis/Ross
Harris/Dunleavy/Crowder
Ilyasova/Moute
Dalembert/Sanders/Udoh

That frontcourt is disgusting defensively. Backcourt is athletic. Lots of good shooters off the bench. I'd watch that team.

Not to mention Ersan/Dally on the boards would be near the best in the league.

[Bucksfans1and2]

That likely wasn't going to be an option (although the Bucks do seem intent on Sanders working more at C next season in a backup role). Looking at the likely scenarios this to me is far preferable than making a horrible pick for a C at 12 or going with Gooden in the starting lineup at C again.

I'm happy that we're grading our professional basketball team on a curve of incompetence.

Be Milwaukee.

Seriously, though, this is a good deal as we sit here today. We need to see what happens at 14 but other than losing Leuer I can't think of a single negative thing about this move.

1. We're not giving minutes to our young promising player and instead giving it to a 31 year old during a season when we're not going to break 50 wins.

2.We're now set up in a situation where we probably allow our best player to walk for nothing.

3. We're winning 40 games next year.

[LUKE23]

I have to seriously question anyone who says Leuer is a better prospect than Sanders.

[xTitan]

I think some on this board like Larry Sanders much more than the coaching staff does.....Udoh will get much more run next year then sanders will.

[Bucksfans1and2]

I would have rather not included Leuer too, but the reality is that there are three young PF/C already on the roster better than him, and that could be five if we re-sign Ilyasova or draft another.

When did the Bucks acquire these other guys? The only big on the roster better than Leuer was Ersan. Leuer may not be a prototypical starter but he's a valuable piece to have, unlike most of the other players on the roster. Oh well, it's not like Hammond being an idiot is a surprise at this point, it's just kind of a shame to see him undoing one of his few good moves after only a year.

Sanders and Udoh are both way better than Leuer.

[msiris]

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Alright. Adjusted stats are real numbers, though. It shows you what he is on pace for production-wise if he were on the floor that long. You're right, he won't give you 35 mins a night, he has never done that in his career, but he can certainly give you 25-30 mins a night. That still leaves you with nearly a double-double average with 2+ blocks per game.

Still though, that stats line is ridiculously good for a center playing only 22 minutes, so I'm not sure what your argument is?

My point being I think his conditioning is the problem. The last few years he has only averaged 23 minutes a game. I just dont see him getting more minutes or even being a starter. Another thing is that his biggest drawback is that he has a very low basketball IQ. People bitch about Drew. Wait till you see this guy. People think this guy will make a big difference and I think that will not be the case.

[Frank Nova]

VERY Solid move. Dalembert gives us a true anchor type center to protect the rim and teach sanders how to play center. Plus this all but guarantees we draft a wing now whoever it may be. Certainly better than Zeller, Leonard or trading up for Henson. This is a huge sigh of relief IMO. Bucks must be confident Lamb, Ross, Pj3 or Terrence Jones will still be available at 14. This is an absolute awesome deal for us. Daly can still play at a high level and is a top 12 center overall in the league IMO. Probably top 10 if u just factor in defensive wise.

I'm so excited right now. Dalembert and Ross/Lamb/Pj3/T.Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeller/Leonard, Brockman and Leuer. Hell I could use 100 greater than symbols for that.

31 obviously isn't an ideal age for any player but he's still borderline elite on the defensive end and someone that works hard on offense and doesn't need touches to be effective.

Solid A grade move IMO

[Bfinkish]

I now want to draft Perry Jones.

If not that then trade 14 for 20 and 21

Draft Sullinger and quincy Miller

+1

[europa]

1. We're not giving minutes to our young promising player and instead giving it to a 31 year old during a season when we're not going to break 50 wins.

2.We're now set up in a situation where we probably allow our best player to walk for nothing.

3. We're winning 40 games next year.

Maybe but you have to realize going young and completely rebuilding is simply not going to happen as long as Kohl and Skiles are around. So what some of us want here isn't realistic. We have to project based on what is the likely intended goal. Given all that, I can't think of a single negative thing about this trade other than losing Leuer, who I do like a lot and believe can be a valuable role player in this league.

[RiotPunch]

I think some on this board like Larry Sanders much more than the coaching staff does.....Udoh will get much more run next year then sanders will.

I'd be okay with that too. Sanders and Udoh are pretty interchangeable in my mind.