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Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

jute2003 wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

Seriously, Bobby and planetpat were poop for most of the season. It's not nitpicking. It's not a vendetta. They were straight up awful. Them not being poop recently is a big reason why the team has been better overall. This shouldn't be controversial.

BigO wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

You can keep looking at your stats to build your narrative and I'll watch the games.

I detailed and you confirmed in your post that Bobby was misused. Then you double down on how bad he was, as if he has suddenly changed now. He is the same player he was before.

If you really thought that the coach was the problem, which it was, you wouldn't have pushed trading Bobby for a nobody.

Bobby was told to play way out on the perimeter. Not only isn't he built to do that, but it hindered one of his biggest assets, which is rebounding. On offense, they posted him up (which is fine), but everyone stood around and watched, instead of creating space and moving.

Bobby has flaws, which coaches need to take into account. When they do, he's a valuable asset. Will he be as effective in the playoffs? Probably not, as teams concentrate on players weaknesses. But he's still a good player.

Ruben Quevedo wrote:

Jez2983 wrote:

paulpressey25 wrote:
We’re ready. Lay it on us.

I've done my 'Doctors don't want you to know this one trick' intro, haven't I

Reality is that it's possible to hang around for some time. An acute Achilles is very debilitating in the initial stages, such as Giannis is in now. I could see him missing back to backs. He will probably play through discomfort for the next few weeks - this will improve as he warms up, but he will be visibly affected and will be rubbish post game. They will probably 'fix' it over the offseason. It's probably a consequence of his heavy recent workload, potentially even slightly related to his chronic knee tendinopathy.

Some sub groups of achilles issues may still be injected into the paratenon (not the tendon itself) but it's unlikely to be this variety this early (nothing's impossible though).

He will be on isometric exercises (thanks Skinner) and every possible conservative treatment known to sport. crkone mentioned heel raises, they will absolutely be doing this Then onto some heavy/slow loading. Plyometric loads (jumping/running - i.e. entire sport of basketball) are known aggravators so generally left until pain is under control.

He will be fine, but maybe look pretty terrible for even a few weeks. I have loads of faith in the medical team and magical Giannis healing though.

So is this is an injury that will linger throughout the rest of the season, or can he both play through it and be 100% for the playoffs?

jute2003 wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

Seriously, Bobby and planetpat were poop for most of the season. It's not nitpicking. It's not a vendetta. They were straight up awful. Them not being poop recently is a big reason why the team has been better overall. This shouldn't be controversial.

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Ron Swanson wrote:

BigO wrote:

TroyD92 wrote:
I mean Bobby played like absolute **** for a solid 3 months

Was wondering whether I should let this go, but I just can't.

Yeah, you probably should.

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chonestown wrote:bucks win and board can barely mustard a dozen pages for the post game threat smh

Ron Swanson wrote:

BigO wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

You can keep looking at your stats to build your narrative and I'll watch the games.

I detailed and you confirmed in your post that Bobby was misused. Then you double down on how bad he was, as if he has suddenly changed now. He is the same player he was before.

If you really thought that the coach was the problem, which it was, you wouldn't have pushed trading Bobby for a nobody.

Bobby was told to play way out on the perimeter. Not only isn't he built to do that, but it hindered one of his biggest assets, which is rebounding. On offense, they posted him up (which is fine), but everyone stood around and watched, instead of creating space and moving.

Bobby has flaws, which coaches need to take into account. When they do, he's a valuable asset. Will he be as effective in the playoffs? Probably not, as teams concentrate on players weaknesses. But he's still a good player.

Look, we'll all let you have this one so long as you stop doubling down on the Bud stuff and finally just take the L. Deal?

midranger wrote:

Swan Vox wrote:Potty Beltass. There, you’re welcome.

Bevis and Beltass

kanyon wrote:Great win. Bad shooting night for Beas but he had some good hustle plays on D. PatBev and Bobby had excellent games.

Great late game deep 3 from Dairy Hughes.

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jute2003 wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:This was a hella fun win and felt like a classic, old Bud era "system victory". Bobby and Pat looking like playable rotation guys is entirely due to coaching putting them in a structure that isn't absolute chaos like it was under Griffin, in addition to bringing in an elite communicator/energy guy in Pat Bev. But the Bobby and Pat lineup numbers pre-Doc weren't some cherry picked nonsense stats. Those guys were legit awful and Bobby was literally tanking every lineup he was in.

We're all breathing a sigh of relief cuz that's the power of even competent coaching over absolute trainwreck coaching. Both guys' usefulness and future on this team is all ultimately gonna come down to how they look in the playoffs though. At least now we have plenty of options to throw out there (Crowder, Pat Bev, Gallo, Green) in case Beas, Pat, or Bobby ain't cutting it.

Seriously, Bobby and planetpat were poop for most of the season. It's not nitpicking. It's not a vendetta. They were straight up awful. Them not being poop recently is a big reason why the team has been better overall. This shouldn't be controversial.

Agree. And it's very possible (probable) that Griffin was most of the reason.

Both things can be (are) true.