Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[Baddy Chuck]

[breakchains]

I don't know what the Pelicans are doing extending Asik another 5 years at 60M. They must think they'll be able to trade him. I don't like that deal at all. Robin Lopez will get 15+.

[Dobber-16]

Rondo
Monta
Gay
Josh Smith
Cousins

Make it happen.

[jakecronus8]

MCW/Ennis
Middleton/Stauskas
Parker/Inglis
Giannis/Portis
Henson/Portis

46 stashed overseas, and we still have the Clippers pick. Plus a first from Sac and pick swaps.

I'd be a lot more excited to watch that team tomorrow and in the future than Vasquez and maybe Monroe. Just saying.

[El Duderino]

After seeing it, it's worse for Sacramento (the pick swap option is the tipping point, as that's very dangerous), and reflective of them being an even lowlier franchise plan-wise right now, but I still don't think what Hinkie is doing is leading anywhere ever or for a very, very long time, at which point it wasn't really worth all the many years they had sacrificed. They are not really progressing, just going in circles on the hamster wheel. Start to build something already so it comes together and you don't alienate or reduce the values of the good players you actually do accumulate.

Agreed, wonder what the protection is on those swaps, but given how terrible Philly is, I'm not sure how truly dangerous those swaps ever become given what you stated later on in your post. Philly is going into year 3 of their total overhaul and they don't seem to have a whole lot to show for it in terms of improvement right now.

With that being said, the Kings are a mess. Ranadive has no clue.

If there is no protection on the pick swaps, that is incredibly dangerous given things could easily turn ugly for the Kings over the next year or two. Be anywhere in the lottery and land a top 3 pick, having to swap could potentially be a huge disaster, especially if Philly gets outside of being terrible to kinda bad or mediocre.

[WRau1]

I think bringing in any of these guys artificially puts us in the 8 seed range. I'd pass and let this team naturally get better. This past seasons playoff run was akin to the FTD run. We need to not make the Salmons type move.. and let these guys grow into it.

How does picking up a viable starting center lead to putting us in the 8 seed range. Especially with Jabari coming back, Giannis having another year and MCW getting a full offseason to learn with coach kidd. I think by adding a legitimate starting center we can compete for home court in the first round next year.

Let's be real. We overachieved hardcore last season. There are too many ifs on this team to assume they make the playoffs even in the East. If Parker stays healthy and can take the next step, If Giannis develops a consistent jumper, If Dudley doesn't suck, If 'insert center' can play defense or score, If MCW can shoot 42% and not turn the rock over a ton, If Middleton can repeat his 1 year wonder.... you can go on a while like this with many players. Many things went right with the guys that stayed healthy last season. Losing Parker was probably worth a game maybe two, losing Sanders might have helped them (he was atrocious last season when he played and he's always been a locker room cancer/headcase) so in a way they didnt lose a ton... when Sanders played last season he was a bucket of ass.. Parker was solid and what we missed the most for him was key development time.

I can't recall a single "overachieving" team playing defense at the level we played. Our defense is real and expecting a leap offensively from younger players isn't an unreal expectations. Middleton isn't a one year wonder, he just finally got the opportunity to shoot the ball with Knight gone.

[Bernman]

Straight up honestly, if I had a choice between the Bucks staying with Randive as their owner or losing the team, I think I'd rather let them go. After a lifetime of following a Bucks team owned by Herb Kohl, I don't think I could deal with an owner who is arguably worse.

One of the sad realities of the NBA is, there are a number of those guys owning teams who use them as their grand fantasy basketball projects. It's one of the many ways in which the NBA doesn't live up to its immense potential. Still, there are many team's fans who are already having a lot of fun, and changes can always hypothetically be made to make the product better, so it shouldn't be given up on. People take for granted that they could get it back whenever they wanted or something near as valuable in its place, and that's not happening in Milwaukee.

[stellation]

The Cleveland Cavaliers currently have $12.8 million committed next season to a SG rotation of Iman Shumpert and Mike Miller.

[Baddy Chuck]

The Cleveland Cavaliers currently have $12.8 million committed next season to a SG rotation of Iman Shumpert and Mike Miller.

Let's push that to 20 million and give um Mayo!

[stellation]

The Cleveland Cavaliers currently have $12.8 million committed next season to a SG rotation of Iman Shumpert and Mike Miller.

Let's push that to 20 million and give um Mayo!

Imagine $20 million committed to Shumpert, Miller and Mayo! On any given night one of those guys might do just about anything... like remember to bring their shoes or something.

[Baddy Chuck]

The Cleveland Cavaliers currently have $12.8 million committed next season to a SG rotation of Iman Shumpert and Mike Miller.

Let's push that to 20 million and give um Mayo!

Imagine $20 million committed to Shumpert, Miller and Mayo! On any given night one of those guys might do just about anything... like remember to bring their shoes or something.

If you combined all three players you'd almost have a guy worth Shumpert's contract.

[tyland]

The Cleveland Cavaliers currently have $12.8 million committed next season to a SG rotation of Iman Shumpert and Mike Miller.

Let's push that to 20 million and give um Mayo!

Imagine $20 million committed to Shumpert, Miller and Mayo! On any given night one of those guys might do just about anything... like remember to bring their shoes or something.

I'm sure it will hit $20m+ when they re-sign JR Smith.

[Jez2983]

Let's push that to 20 million and give um Mayo!

Imagine $20 million committed to Shumpert, Miller and Mayo! On any given night one of those guys might do just about anything... like remember to bring their shoes or something.

If you combined all three players you'd almost have a guy worth Shumpert's contract.

That rotation is actually worse than Gay, whose contract is terrible.

And plus, if Cleveland got Gay, they'd be able to unveil that Gay/Love combo we've all been waiting for.

[tyland]

Anyone have an idea of how much cap room the Kings now have?

[stellation]

[Chuck Diesel]

Eh, Ennis & Stauskas might be learning common Turkish phrases in a couple years. Fine with neither of them.

[paul]

I once got on a Greyhound drunk in Tahoe and ended up asleep on a bench in a Greyhound station in Sacramento, I woke up with a couple of unwashed gents politely trying to relieve me of all of my worldly possessions with one smirking like he'd just performed some kind of dastardly act to my genitals. I stood up groggily and shoo'ed them away before noticing a sign on the wall that said the station building I was standing in contained substances that cause cancer and infertility. I then realized I'd missed my bus to LA while sleeping into a hangover and spent the next several hours pacing nervously clutching my bags while waiting for the next bus and chewing on a 3 day old vending machine sandwich.

All that is to say that Sacramento had a better night that night than it did tonight.

[skones]

After seeing it, it's worse for Sacramento (the pick swap option is the tipping point, as that's very dangerous), and reflective of them being an even lowlier franchise plan-wise right now, but I still don't think what Hinkie is doing is leading anywhere ever or for a very, very long time, at which point it wasn't really worth all the many years they had sacrificed. They are not really progressing, just going in circles on the hamster wheel. Start to build something already so it comes together and you don't alienate or reduce the values of the good players you actually do accumulate.

Agreed, wonder what the protection is on those swaps, but given how terrible Philly is, I'm not sure how truly dangerous those swaps ever become given what you stated later on in your post. Philly is going into year 3 of their total overhaul and they don't seem to have a whole lot to show for it in terms of improvement right now.

With that being said, the Kings are a mess. Ranadive has no clue.

If there is no protection on the pick swaps, that is incredibly dangerous given things could easily turn ugly for the Kings over the next year or two. Be anywhere in the lottery and land a top 3 pick, having to swap could potentially be a huge disaster, especially if Philly gets outside of being terrible to kinda bad or mediocre.

I definitely agree, but I have a hard time seeing there not being solid protection on them.

[emunney]

Damn it, I wish we had those pick swap options.

[breakchains]

The Kings are that dumb yet bold little cousin in your fantasy league who all other teams go to pillage his assets every chance they get, while everyone else is livid at the deal and screaming for a veto.

Stauskas, a 1st, 2 pick swaps for two contracts that weren't that bad?