Bucks Bogdan Bogdanovic Boondoggle

[Chapter29]

I will say that I still want this trade to happen. Bogdan is a really good fit on this team and a friend of Giannis' supposedly.

With that said, part of me went, well ok....I didn't want to trade Donte anyways. Now clearly he is not the caliber of player that Bogdan is, but I like the guy and would love to keep him and see if the game slows down a bit for him.

Hopefully tonight we are back on with this deal or heck better yet maybe...up the ante and go get Gallinari.

[paulpressey25]

Will be interesting to see what type of offers Bogdan gets and where he ends up. Would be fair speculation that the Bucks have been informed he's off limits to them at this point.

Do believe the tampering investigation will result on $1 million fines for both clubs, and Silver will probably take away one 2nd rounder. And during the investigation, Marc Lasry will have to feverishly work to keep the proceedings sealed, so any involvement by his employee is not made public.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

I hope we stick it to the NBA (and the machavellian NBA execs/ESPN media who want Giannis out of Milwaukee) and get Bogdan somehow.

[Rstuedes24]

Absolutely nothing is going on after our deal was canceled and the investigation started.
In the first hour of the off season I predict like 10 deal announcements and ofc zero tampering involved unless they decide to postpone it for a few days just to pretend nothing was happening prior of Friday..

Free Agency doesn’t officially start until 6PM ET, but I’m sure we will hear a bunch soon after that

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There are two very disappointing aspects in this situation.

1) People keep on looking at the wrong thing regarding the Bogdan situation.

It is not just about the shooting (btw Bogdan is a better shooter than DDV, plain and simple). It is mainly about the playmaking. The Bucks' biggest issue has been the playmaking. Wasted possessions, dribbling into traffic, overusage of Giannis etc. DDV does nothing to solve this.
You know how you break the wall teams are building to stop Giannis? Firstly with playmaking and secondarily with good shooting. You need to make the players that try to setup the wall uncertain on where/how to set it up, so you need to move the ball and win some 1v1s.

In my opinion, the Bogdan trade would have made the Bucks much much better in this aspect and much better overall.
None of the other options discussed (Harris/DDV etc) offer the same in this aspect.

2) There is a certain point when mistakes that are repeated and amateurish in nature need to stop. When people keep trying to minimize problematic situations, the result is what you get with the Bogdan situation right now.

you dont need 4 playmakers on the court. in fact thats a problem typically

from last year we needed

1. a good 2 way playmaking gaurd who doesnt choke wide open shots
2. improved shotmaking from giannis(pick the 3, the midrange, or the line....any one of those will do)

heres a secret.....the play at the sg was fine last year as was the center position. strong defense, unselfishness, and the ability to stretch the floor from those two positions we had. bledsoe was a playoff anomaly and we had to get off that. we did. next priority is replacing what we had the way we had it and giannis figuring it out.

ddv and a vet gaurd in the matthews mold is more than enough at the 2 guard imo.

Heres a not secret. It wasnt.

Wes is a good shooter and defender but has no other offense aside from catch and shoot and that slide step and shoot. Thats a big problem.

Same with Hill.

Same with DDV, although a worse shooter.

We need ballers not shooters.

you need both. how many facilitators did miami and lakers have?

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Will be interesting to see what type of offers Bogdan gets and where he ends up. Would be good speculation that the Bucks have been informed he's off limits to them at this point.

Do the the tampering investigation will result on $1 million fines for both clubs, and Silver will probably take away one 2nd rounder. And during the investigation, Marc Lasry will have to feverishly work to keep the proceedings sealed, so any involvement by his employee is not made public.

So Alex' involvement is swept under the rug, and he will he able to go back to his jacuzzi pool parties with Woj, Brossard etc. with the fingers on the trigger of the Twitter button.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There are two very disappointing aspects in this situation.

1) People keep on looking at the wrong thing regarding the Bogdan situation.

It is not just about the shooting (btw Bogdan is a better shooter than DDV, plain and simple). It is mainly about the playmaking. The Bucks' biggest issue has been the playmaking. Wasted possessions, dribbling into traffic, overusage of Giannis etc. DDV does nothing to solve this.
You know how you break the wall teams are building to stop Giannis? Firstly with playmaking and secondarily with good shooting. You need to make the players that try to setup the wall uncertain on where/how to set it up, so you need to move the ball and win some 1v1s.

In my opinion, the Bogdan trade would have made the Bucks much much better in this aspect and much better overall.
None of the other options discussed (Harris/DDV etc) offer the same in this aspect.

2) There is a certain point when mistakes that are repeated and amateurish in nature need to stop. When people keep trying to minimize problematic situations, the result is what you get with the Bogdan situation right now.

you dont need 4 playmakers on the court. in fact thats a problem typically

from last year we needed

1. a good 2 way playmaking gaurd who doesnt choke wide open shots
2. improved shotmaking from giannis(pick the 3, the midrange, or the line....any one of those will do)

heres a secret.....the play at the sg was fine last year as was the center position. strong defense, unselfishness, and the ability to stretch the floor from those two positions we had. bledsoe was a playoff anomaly and we had to get off that. we did. next priority is replacing what we had the way we had it and giannis figuring it out.

ddv and a vet gaurd in the matthews mold is more than enough at the 2 guard imo.

Heres a not secret. It wasnt.

Wes is a good shooter and defender but has no other offense aside from catch and shoot and that slide step and shoot. Thats a big problem.

Same with Hill.

Same with DDV, although a worse shooter.

We need ballers not shooters.

you need 2-3 real high usage guys and multiple 3-d guys. how many facilitators did miami and lakers have? what about GS? can you give me an example of a previous championship team that used your secret model?

suggesting we need 4 guys in our primary playoff lineup taking turns playmaking(or ballstopping) is amateur hour.

[crkone]

It would be hilarious if Woj/Shams agreed to wait exactly 1 hour after FA begins to announce the deals, you know because teams and FAs got deals done in that time.

[Rstuedes24]

The optimistic side of me is hoping we play it off, then do a double S&T including Sterling versus Ersan and tell them we had no idea where Woj got that from. Then we get Bogdan, and Giannis signs the Supermax and we collectively give Silver and the rest of the league the middle finger?

....That will all happen... right?

[Chuck Diesel]

Really hope someone has the balls to tell us what happened once Bogdan signs elsewhere. Miami would really hurt.

[emunney]

<sadly closes Justin James tab>

[midranger]

Same. Old. Bucks.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Really hope someone has the balls to tell us what happened once Bogdan signs elsewhere. Miami would really hurt.

If Miami signs Boggie, than they prob cant sign Giannis?

[Chuck Diesel]

Really hope someone has the balls to tell us what happened once Bogdan signs elsewhere. Miami would really hurt.

If Miami signs Boggie, than they prob cant sign Giannis?

Giannis is already staying, which is great. Now the question is for how long.

[dbrodz7]

There are two very disappointing aspects in this situation.

1) People keep on looking at the wrong thing regarding the Bogdan situation.

It is not just about the shooting (btw Bogdan is a better shooter than DDV, plain and simple). It is mainly about the playmaking. The Bucks' biggest issue has been the playmaking. Wasted possessions, dribbling into traffic, overusage of Giannis etc. DDV does nothing to solve this.
You know how you break the wall teams are building to stop Giannis? Firstly with playmaking and secondarily with good shooting. You need to make the players that try to setup the wall uncertain on where/how to set it up, so you need to move the ball and win some 1v1s.

In my opinion, the Bogdan trade would have made the Bucks much much better in this aspect and much better overall.
None of the other options discussed (Harris/DDV etc) offer the same in this aspect.

2) There is a certain point when mistakes that are repeated and amateurish in nature need to stop. When people keep trying to minimize problematic situations, the result is what you get with the Bogdan situation right now.

At this point in time anyway, Bogdan is far superior of a player than Ddv. There is no comparison.

I agree that I'd much rather have Bogdan starting for us than Donte next year, but this starting to get a little bit out of control with the extremism here. Donte was 49 in real plus minus last season and Bogdan was 66. Bogdan isn't a future all NBA player that we missed on out here. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2

[paulpressey25]

So Alex' involvement is swept under the rug, and he will he able to go back to his jacuzzi pool parties with Woj, Brossard etc. with the fingers on the trigger of the Twitter button.

IMHO it is time for the three other primary owners (Dinan, Edens, Fascetilli) to go the Marc and tell him it is time to move Alex off to a new job in DC or wherever. Those three guys have a billion into this also. This goes beyond offending some fans or talk show hosts. It could cost the team a title.

[MikeIsGood]

Truthfully, I wouldn't expect that we do hear anything until after the dust settles and/or FA actually begins. There's an open investigation, so surely they don't want any more leaks, and the investigation is about tampering, so they need to not make things worse.

My guess is that there's lots of recycled information right now.

[soxperry]

you dont need 4 playmakers on the court. in fact thats a problem typically

from last year we needed

1. a good 2 way playmaking gaurd who doesnt choke wide open shots
2. improved shotmaking from giannis(pick the 3, the midrange, or the line....any one of those will do)

heres a secret.....the play at the sg was fine last year as was the center position. strong defense, unselfishness, and the ability to stretch the floor from those two positions we had. bledsoe was a playoff anomaly and we had to get off that. we did. next priority is replacing what we had the way we had it and giannis figuring it out.

ddv and a vet gaurd in the matthews mold is more than enough at the 2 guard imo.

Heres a not secret. It wasnt.

Wes is a good shooter and defender but has no other offense aside from catch and shoot and that slide step and shoot. Thats a big problem.

Same with Hill.

Same with DDV, although a worse shooter.

We need ballers not shooters.

you need 2-3 real high usage guys and multiple 3-d guys. how many facilitators did miami and lakers have? what about GS? can you give me an example of a previous championship team that used your secret model?

suggesting we need 4 guys in our primary playoff lineup taking turns playmaking(or ballstopping) is amateur hour.

Did i say playmaking? I said "do more than catch and shoot." I just mean a diverse offensive game. Not one guy who can create and hit a variety of different shots, 3 catch and shooters, and giannis. They dont all need to be high usage guys, just more skilled.

[emunney]

I do wonder if there's some sort of negotiation going on to get NO to help us with the Bogdan S&T or some other move. They have the pieces to facilitate and frankly they owe us.

[paulpressey25]

Truthfully, I wouldn't expect that we do hear anything until after the dust settles and/or FA actually begins. There's an open investigation, so surely they don't want any more leaks, and the investigation is about tampering, so they need to not make things worse.

My guess is that there's lots of recycled information right now.

Agreed. This won't be solved or resolved for quite some time. But you'd have to assume the league told the Bucks not to do any deal with Bogdan, otherwise the penalties will be larger.

You have to figure Horst is scrambling now with Plans B and C. (Hammond was terrible at those).