Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[blazza18]

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Simmons.

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Wiggins.

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Russell.

He's brilliant and what he's doing is highly entertaining but it all comes down to luck in the end.

[blazza18]

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West backing up Green would be fine with me.

[Chuck Diesel]

I want more whispers. I want more rumblings.

[worthlessBucks]

I admire their execution and their ability to stay true to their mission statement. Knowledge: The studs are found in the lottery, particularly the top 5. Execute: Acquire as many top prospects as possible and take as many gambles as possible. Embiid embodies everything about their strategy. Immense talent, questionable health, but at pick #3 behind Jabari and Wiggins? A tremendous selection and worth the gamble.

They'll worry about salary cap ramifications and fit later on. Cross that bridge when it comes as they're clearly still in asset accumulation mode, which is very early in the process.

[emunney]

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Simmons.

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Wiggins.

Everyone is gonna be praising Hinkie as a genius when they land Russell.

He's brilliant and what he's doing is highly entertaining but it all comes down to luck in the end.

Not all luck is equal. You can lose a coin flip or you can lose a trifecta, but if they both have the same prize and you choose the longshot, what does that say about you?

I'm not saying Hinkie isn't a genius; I have no idea. I'm saying it doesn't take a genius to take his approach. What it does take is balls for days and that's what's been so surprising about what they've done the past two years. I didn't think anybody had the stones to follow through. It will be interesting to see how much time he's actually got.

[Shaffty]

Monroe probably doesn't decide untill LaMarcus decides

and LMA isn't deciding untill after his meeting with the Knicks tommorow.

So probably all quiet for awhile but who knows

[Max Green]

Let's wait and see until Hinkie actually builds a competitive team let alone a contender before we crown his ass.

[ChuckBros4Life]

Half (5.1) of Monroe's 10.2 rebounds per game last year were uncontested and on the defensive end.
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202328/tracking/rebounds/

[Diggr14]

How does picking up a viable starting center lead to putting us in the 8 seed range. Especially with Jabari coming back, Giannis having another year and MCW getting a full offseason to learn with coach kidd. I think by adding a legitimate starting center we can compete for home court in the first round next year.

Let's be real. We overachieved hardcore last season. There are too many ifs on this team to assume they make the playoffs even in the East. If Parker stays healthy and can take the next step, If Giannis develops a consistent jumper, If Dudley doesn't suck, If 'insert center' can play defense or score, If MCW can shoot 42% and not turn the rock over a ton, If Middleton can repeat his 1 year wonder.... you can go on a while like this with many players. Many things went right with the guys that stayed healthy last season. Losing Parker was probably worth a game maybe two, losing Sanders might have helped them (he was atrocious last season when he played and he's always been a locker room cancer/headcase) so in a way they didnt lose a ton... when Sanders played last season he was a bucket of ass.. Parker was solid and what we missed the most for him was key development time.

I can't recall a single "overachieving" team playing defense at the level we played. Our defense is real and expecting a leap offensively from younger players isn't an unreal expectations. Middleton isn't a one year wonder, he just finally got the opportunity to shoot the ball with Knight gone.

They said the same thing about the 4 guys I mentioned previously. 14 million isnt terrible (5 years is), but I would have preferred they S&T Middleton to another team in a deal such as the Stauskas deal + a unprotected 1st and a contract to absorb. I definitely would not sign a significant big after that. I'd let Parker and Giannis have a bigger role and let this team grow similar to how OKC did it. A high 1st in 2016 would have been nice... because if we went the route I suggested, we would be looking at one to couple with Giannis + Parker. That in my estimation is how you build a championship team. What they just did in my opinion stunted the long term success of the franchise to get a few more wins now. I just think it's fools gold to expect a solid 5 years out of Middleton or even expect a solid positional defender at the 5 position (assuming we get Monroe). Yes, it is a playoff team. No, it will not beat the top tier teams in the East in a 7 game series... that is what we should be building for.

[emunney]

Let's wait and see until Hinkie actually builds a competitive team let alone a contender before we crown his ass.

Good emotions here

[RandyBreuer]

Can't wait to see Karl coach Cousins/Ellis/Gay. Maybe the move is to make him retire?

[Dcebucks11]

Let's be real. We overachieved hardcore last season. There are too many ifs on this team to assume they make the playoffs even in the East. If Parker stays healthy and can take the next step, If Giannis develops a consistent jumper, If Dudley doesn't suck, If 'insert center' can play defense or score, If MCW can shoot 42% and not turn the rock over a ton, If Middleton can repeat his 1 year wonder.... you can go on a while like this with many players. Many things went right with the guys that stayed healthy last season. Losing Parker was probably worth a game maybe two, losing Sanders might have helped them (he was atrocious last season when he played and he's always been a locker room cancer/headcase) so in a way they didnt lose a ton... when Sanders played last season he was a bucket of ass.. Parker was solid and what we missed the most for him was key development time.

I can't recall a single "overachieving" team playing defense at the level we played. Our defense is real and expecting a leap offensively from younger players isn't an unreal expectations. Middleton isn't a one year wonder, he just finally got the opportunity to shoot the ball with Knight gone.

They said the same thing about the 4 guys I mentioned previously. 14 million isnt terrible (5 years is), but I would have preferred they S&T Middleton to another team in a deal such as the Stauskas deal + a unprotected 1st and a contract to absorb. I definitely would not sign a significant big after that. I'd let Parker and Giannis have a bigger role and let this team grow similar to how OKC did it. A high 1st in 2016 would have been nice... because if we went the route I suggested, we would be looking at one to couple with Giannis + Parker. That in my estimation is how you build a championship team. What they just did in my opinion stunted the long term success of the franchise to get a few more wins now. I just think it's fools gold to expect a solid 5 years out of Middleton or even expect a solid positional defender at the 5 position (assuming we get Monroe). Yes, it is a playoff team. No, it will not beat the top tier teams in the East in a 7 game series... that is what we should be building for.

wut, seriously want to give away a 23 year old who is one of the best 3 and d players in the league for that .. So we can get Stauskas ( yuck ) and a 1st who probably won't ever be half as good as Middleton.. You think that's gonna build a championship team?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

In a little over two years the 6ers have built one of the biggest banks of talent and future picks in the league even acknowledging Embiid as a total loss, which is not a given, and which kind of loss by the way is built into the approach. I feel like people are acting as if Hinkie has been there for a decade. He was hired in May 2013.

Excellent post.

I love what Hinkie's doing. I wish we had started doing it ourselves many years ago. Especially 7 years ago, when Hammond was hired.

Another thing people are making a mistake on when it comes to what Hinkie is doing with the Sixers is that I've seen numerous people say/write that this is basically the only tool in Hinkie's toolbox. That's a poor assumption. A better assumption would be that he will continue with Phase 1 until it has yielded enough results to move onto Phase 2. Once Hinkie finds a young core that pans out, surrounded by young supporting players he will have the flexibility to at least enable him to go after the kind of impact veteran star or stars to try to push the team into contender status. And in the meantime he will have banked enough money, maintained enough salary cap flexibility, and accumulated enough young assets and draft picks to assist him in that endeavor.

For now, I love what he is doing in Phase 1, and I am envious.

If we had executed that type of plan properly in year 1 of Hammond, we might have had 2+ years of a conference finals or championship contending team by now, which certainly would have helped with the new arena campaign.

[Shaffty]

In a little over two years the 6ers have built one of the biggest banks of talent and future picks in the league even acknowledging Embiid as a total loss, which is not a given, and which kind of loss by the way is built into the approach. I feel like people are acting as if Hinkie has been there for a decade. He was hired in May 2013.

Excellent post.

I love what Hinkie's doing. I wish we had started doing it ourselves many years ago. Especially 7 years ago, when Hammond was hired.

Another thing people are making a mistake on when it comes to what Hinkie is doing with the Sixers is that I've seen numerous people say/write that this is basically the only tool in Hinkie's toolbox. That's a poor assumption. A better assumption would be that he will continue with Phase 1 until it has yielded enough results to move onto Phase 2. Once Hinkie finds a young core that pans out, surrounded by young supporting players he will have the flexibility to at least enable him to go after the kind of impact veteran star or stars to try to push the team into contender status. And in the meantime he will have banked enough money, maintained enough salary cap flexibility, and accumulated enough young assets and draft picks to assist him in that endeavor.

For now, I love what he is doing in Phase 1, and I am envious.

If we had executed that type of plan properly in year 1 of Hammond, we might have had 2+ years of a conference finals or championship contending team by now, which certainly would have helped with the new arena campaign.

Luckily we fell ass backwards into a young core

[El Duderino]

In a little over two years the 6ers have built one of the biggest banks of talent and future picks in the league even acknowledging Embiid as a total loss, which is not a given, and which kind of loss by the way is built into the approach. I feel like people are acting as if Hinkie has been there for a decade. He was hired in May 2013.

Excellent post.

I love what Hinkie's doing. I wish we had started doing it ourselves many years ago. Especially 7 years ago, when Hammond was hired.

Hinkie is very fortunate to have ownership willing to allow him to take an approach like this. Very few owners would have the stomach for what he's done. Going out of his way to be really terrible for three years at minimum, with no guarantee of a great payoff for that suffering. Even the vast majority of open minded owners wouldn't support a plan as he's undertaken.

[KingCammo]

In a little over two years the 6ers have built one of the biggest banks of talent and future picks in the league even acknowledging Embiid as a total loss, which is not a given, and which kind of loss by the way is built into the approach. I feel like people are acting as if Hinkie has been there for a decade. He was hired in May 2013.

Excellent post.

I love what Hinkie's doing. I wish we had started doing it ourselves many years ago. Especially 7 years ago, when Hammond was hired.

Hinkie is very fortunate to have ownership willing to allow him to take an approach like this. Very few owners would have the stomach for what he's done. Going out of his way to be really terrible for three years at minimum, with no guarantee of a great payoff for that suffering. Even the vast majority of open minded owners wouldn't support a plan as he's undertaken.

Sh*t, it's really unpopular to give an ounce of credit to Hammond on this board eh?

The guy drafts well, his decisions in FA are a little iffy and his trades are a mixed bag. Is he the best GM in the league? No. But at least he isn't a complete bucket of ass.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I understand your point.

But so many owners refuse to do a rebuild like that because they think they can't afford to be bad for 3 years, and then wind up being bad for 3, 5, 6, 7, etc. years anyway

[KingCammo]

I understand your point.

But so many owners refuse to do a rebuild like that because they think they can't afford to be bad for 3 years, and then wind up being bad for 3, 5, 6, 7, etc. years anyway

Exactly. Can you blame Hammond for Kohl having that line of thought? I don't think Hammond wanted to trade Tobias for example. Some signings reek of Kohl too.

I hope/think he's operating a little more freely of late and he's doing a good job as a result.

[Shellshock]

It will be interesting to see if the NBA makes a push to try and devalue Hinkie's approach, assuming that they're still as concerned about it as they appeared to be before.

The Sixers' route seems like just a very direct way of dealing with the fact that superstar players-going a step further, generational players- win championships. The NBA might not care too much about that, but I think it's something they definitely have to acknowledge internally.

[RRyder823]

So it was a lil confusing in the article I read but do the Kings have the right to swap picks with Philly or does Philly have the rights to swap with the Kings?