Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[JayMKE]

I want the draft to be today

[MrPerfect1]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

[Sixteen]

Only Cavs and Bucks fans believe that the #2 or #1 is a lot more desirable than having the #3 and #10 in such a solid draft. Especially considering Philly is probably going to get their guy anyways.

[Zeezprah]

Only Cavs and Bucks fans believe that the #2 or #1 is a lot more desirable than having the #3 and #10 in such a solid draft. Especially considering Philly is probably going to get their guy anyways.

p.s. you got a picture of the sixers big board on hand? i'd love to see it. promise i won't show anyone else.

[Sixteen]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

[skones]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Not if you believe there's a drop off after the first two picks. Let's not act like guys taken 10th or later always turn into solid players.

[Sixteen]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Not if you believe there's a drop off after the first two picks. Let's not act like guys taken 10th or later always turn into solid players.

Lets also not act like that their isn't still quality players around 10 either. Considering we drafted the ROTY with the 11th pick last year, I much rather keep the pick and take our chances with it. If you would rather have the #2 pick over having the #3 and #10 that's cool and I respect that. I just value what we have more.

[ReasonablySober]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Like I said, I'd move the #10 in a heartbeat if it meant I was getting the player I considered to be the best. Any good GM would.

[Sixteen]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Like I said, I'd move the #10 in a heartbeat if it meant I was getting the player I considered to be the best. Any good GM would.

Yup, and if that's the case, I'm sure Hinkie will do what's best for this team. I doubt this is one of those instances though. Nice talking to you guys.

[bebopdeluxe]

My only point in the whole thing - and then I will go back to the Sixers board - is that packaging 3 and 10 to move up is the anti-Hinkie...it goes against everything he says and (more importantly) does.

Then you must believe that Hinkie is almost the opposite from Morey. Moreys primary Philosophy is around moving assets to acquire Superstars. If Morey saw 1 or 2 Superstars in this draft, you can be sure that he would be trying like heck to package assets to move uo.

How is moving 2 slots up hold an incredible difference if the 76ers may get their guy #3? You think people would be shocked if Parker, Wiggins or Embid went first? There is no difference and we are content with picking with whoever drops #3. #3 and #10>>>> having the #1 pick or the #2 pick.

The odds are against PHI getting their #1 Prospect at #3 since 2 teams are picking above them. Odds are very much against them valuing all 3 exactly equally. Many people have very strong preferences between the 3.

I can understand being a PHI fan that you prefer what your team has but think you would be in the vast minority if you asked Non 76ers fans what is better to have, #1 or #3 + #10

In THIS draft, where there is not a clear-cut, no-brainer, LeBron-like #1...and there are 3-4 guys who all have a chance of being a superstar (or a chance of being the next Michael Beasley)...then I take 3 + 10 over 1. The closest think to a no-brainer, number 1 pick is Embiid...and since we already have Noel, I do not see the logic in giving up 10 to get him, when we might be able to parlay that pick into our PF of the future (Vonleh/Gordon/Randle). Now, if Embiid falls to 3, and we don't have to give up 10 to get him, then by all means I consider taking him...just like it sounds like Bucks fans are prepared to take Wiggins...even though you already have Giannis and guys like Parker and Exum might flush out your roster more. If you think Wiggins is a no-brainer, then take him. I am sure that Hinkie will be able to slum with Parker/Exum and Vonleh/Gordon/Randle (and perhaps even 23 if ORL takes Smart and UTA wants a Mormon to fill the stands).

Good luck on the 26th.

[Snotbubbles]

Link? That was also prior to the Embiid workout I believe during which time he has become an even further consenss #1.

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Not if you believe there's a drop off after the first two picks. Let's not act like guys taken 10th or later always turn into solid players.

Do people really believe there is a drop-off after the first two players? Most people have three players in Tier 1.

Also, let's not act like the guys taken #2 always turn into solid players. The last 10 #2 picks were: Emeka Okafor, Marvin Williams, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Victor Oladipo.

[skones]

It wasnt a thread itself but it was in a thread. Thats kind of irrelevant becausd Embid is not our guy. Perhaps the #1 picks value has went up with Embid's stamp on being the top pick, but its close and I would still prefer 3 and 10. 3 and 10 certainly has more value than #2.

Not if you believe there's a drop off after the first two picks. Let's not act like guys taken 10th or later always turn into solid players.

Do people really believe there is a drop-off after the first two players? Most people have three players in Tier 1.

Also, let's not act like the guys taken #2 always turn into solid players. The last 10 #2 picks were: Emeka Okafor, Marvin Williams, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Victor Oladipo.

You're missing the point. There is a higher probability at 2 than there is at 10. That's the point. Quality over Quantity. And Wiggins is not in the top tier for me, though many here already know that.

[ReasonablySober]

My only point in the whole thing - and then I will go back to the Sixers board - is that packaging 3 and 10 to move up is the anti-Hinkie...it goes against everything he says and (more importantly) does.

Then you must believe that Hinkie is almost the opposite from Morey. Moreys primary Philosophy is around moving assets to acquire Superstars. If Morey saw 1 or 2 Superstars in this draft, you can be sure that he would be trying like heck to package assets to move uo.

How is moving 2 slots up hold an incredible difference if the 76ers may get their guy #3? You think people would be shocked if Parker, Wiggins or Embid went first? There is no difference and we are content with picking with whoever drops #3. #3 and #10>>>> having the #1 pick or the #2 pick.

The odds are against PHI getting their #1 Prospect at #3 since 2 teams are picking above them. Odds are very much against them valuing all 3 exactly equally. Many people have very strong preferences between the 3.

I can understand being a PHI fan that you prefer what your team has but think you would be in the vast minority if you asked Non 76ers fans what is better to have, #1 or #3 + #10

In THIS draft, where there is not a clear-cut, no-brainer, LeBron-like #1...and there are 3-4 guys who all have a chance of being a superstar (or a chance of being the next Michael Beasley)...then I take 3 + 10 over 1. The closest think to a no-brainer, number 1 pick is Embiid...and since we already have Noel, I do not see the logic in giving up 10 to get him, when we might be able to parlay that pick into our PF of the future (Vonleh/Gordon/Randle). Now, if Embiid falls to 3, and we don't have to give up 10 to get him, then by all means I consider taking him...just like it sounds like Bucks fans are prepared to take Wiggins...even though you already have Giannis and guys like Parker and Exum might flush out your roster more. If you think Wiggins is a no-brainer, then take him. I am sure that Hinkie will be able to slum with Parker/Exum and Vonleh/Gordon/Randle (and perhaps even 23 if ORL takes Smart and UTA wants a Mormon to fill the stands).

Good luck on the 26th.

There isn't a LeBron, but there's definitely a clear #1. Embiid is it.

And Noel isn't any kind of reason to pass on a potential franchise player.

[craig]

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Lets also not act like that their isn't still quality players around 10 either. Considering we drafted the ROTY with the 11th pick last year, I much rather keep the pick and take our chances with it. If you would rather have the #2 pick over having the #3 and #10 that's cool and I respect that. I just value what we have more.

I'm with you, Ramen. I'd much prefer having 3+10 over 2, particularly in this draft. I'm no scout, but I could flip a coin between Wiggins and Parker, I'll be thrilled with either guy. If I could get one of them, plus another really valuable prospect with pick #10, I'd be thrilled.

As always it's scouting, though. If I have a strong preference rather than a coin-flip between the two guys, then #10 isn't enough to overcome that.

I'm confident the Bucks will get a terrific prospect, and I can't wait. It's win-win. But I admit if I heard we'd arranged a trade for 3+10, I'd be pretty fired up. I'd love to get that extra pick.

[bebopdeluxe]

Then you must believe that Hinkie is almost the opposite from Morey. Moreys primary Philosophy is around moving assets to acquire Superstars. If Morey saw 1 or 2 Superstars in this draft, you can be sure that he would be trying like heck to package assets to move uo.





The odds are against PHI getting their #1 Prospect at #3 since 2 teams are picking above them. Odds are very much against them valuing all 3 exactly equally. Many people have very strong preferences between the 3.

I can understand being a PHI fan that you prefer what your team has but think you would be in the vast minority if you asked Non 76ers fans what is better to have, #1 or #3 + #10

In THIS draft, where there is not a clear-cut, no-brainer, LeBron-like #1...and there are 3-4 guys who all have a chance of being a superstar (or a chance of being the next Michael Beasley)...then I take 3 + 10 over 1. The closest think to a no-brainer, number 1 pick is Embiid...and since we already have Noel, I do not see the logic in giving up 10 to get him, when we might be able to parlay that pick into our PF of the future (Vonleh/Gordon/Randle). Now, if Embiid falls to 3, and we don't have to give up 10 to get him, then by all means I consider taking him...just like it sounds like Bucks fans are prepared to take Wiggins...even though you already have Giannis and guys like Parker and Exum might flush out your roster more. If you think Wiggins is a no-brainer, then take him. I am sure that Hinkie will be able to slum with Parker/Exum and Vonleh/Gordon/Randle (and perhaps even 23 if ORL takes Smart and UTA wants a Mormon to fill the stands).

Good luck on the 26th.

There isn't a LeBron, but there's definitely a clear #1. Embiid is it.

And Noel isn't any kind of reason to pass on a potential franchise player.

First of all, how the %#*% are you so sure that Noel "isn't any kind of reason" to pass on giving up TWO top-10 picks - in THIS draft - to trade up for Embiid?

Second of all, if Embiid is UNQUESTIONABLY this franchise-changing player, why would either CLE or MIL even consider trading out of that slot? Especially if the 10 pick really isn't all that?

(people talking out of ALL sides of their mouth on this forum)

I am done with this thread. Good luck on the 26th.

[Zeezprah]

who wouldn't rather have 3 and 10? that piece just released by ford just said GMs have 3 players in tier 1. so you're getting one of those guys plus another solid prospect.

not like the sixers give a crap who they get either because they need help everywhere. so they'll just take BPA at both spots.

completely flossed the pelicans in that trade.

[ReasonablySober]

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Lets also not act like that their isn't still quality players around 10 either. Considering we drafted the ROTY with the 11th pick last year, I much rather keep the pick and take our chances with it. If you would rather have the #2 pick over having the #3 and #10 that's cool and I respect that. I just value what we have more.

I'm with you, Ramen. I'd much prefer having 3+10 over 2, particularly in this draft. I'm no scout, but I could flip a coin between Wiggins and Parker, I'll be thrilled with either guy. If I could get one of them, plus another really valuable prospect with pick #10, I'd be thrilled.

As always it's scouting, though. If I have a strong preference rather than a coin-flip between the two guys, then #10 isn't enough to overcome that.

I'm confident the Bucks will get a terrific prospect, and I can't wait. It's win-win. But I admit if I heard we'd arranged a trade for 3+10, I'd be pretty fired up. I'd love to get that extra pick.

Sure, but that's what we're talking about here.

Do you really think that after pouring over every ounce of game-tape, dissecting every stat and measurable, spending hours meeting with these kids and debating with your staff for months that it's simply a coin flip? That there isn't one player definitely above the other on [Cleveland, Milwaukee, Philly]'s board?

I'd be **** pissed if my team had a chance to land the better overall prospect but they held off because of a late lotto pick.

This is the NBA. The better overall talent generally wins more often than not.

[MrPerfect1]

The closest think to a no-brainer, number 1 pick is Embiid...and since we already have Noel, I do not see the logic in giving up 10 to get him, when we might be able to parlay that pick into our PF of the future (Vonleh/Gordon/Randle).

O_o Noel's existence should have 0 impact on whether or not PHI drafts Embiid. Noel has proven nothing so far in the NBA, went #6 in what was considered a weak draft, and maybe becomes Theo Ratliff?

It is fine to take Parker, Wiggins or Exum if you think they are truly superior prospects. However, avoiding Embiid because of Noel is just baffling.

[ReasonablySober]

First of all, how the %#*% are you so sure that Noel "isn't any kind of reason" to pass on giving up TWO top-10 picks - in THIS draft - to trade up for Embiid?

Second of all, if Embiid is UNQUESTIONABLY this franchise-changing player, why would either CLE or MIL even consider trading out of that slot? Especially if the 10 pick really isn't all that?

(people talking out of ALL sides of their mouth on this forum)

I am done with this thread. Good luck on the 26th.

You keep saying good luck. If you don't want to have a discussion, simply don't respond and definitely don't ask questions.

Regarding your first statement, there isn't ever a reason to pass on the BPA, particularly when you're a lotto team. Take the best player available and figure it out later.

Regarding your second statement, maybe Cleveland isn't remotely interested in trading out and they're dead set on Embiid. Or maybe they're just a really terrible organization that makes dumb decisions in the draft on a perennial basis. You can take a look at their recent history and decide.

As for Milwaukee, no way I'm making a trade out of #2 for the reason that I just mentioned: maybe the Cavaliers **** up. Again.

And if they do happen to take Embiid, I'm going to trust the professionals to take the best prospect available. I'd like to add another lotto pick, but it would kill me to slide down a spot and have the player taken #2 turn into a superstar.

For the record, I don't see Wiggins, Parker or Exum as likely franchise players.

[Sixteen]

The closest think to a no-brainer, number 1 pick is Embiid...and since we already have Noel, I do not see the logic in giving up 10 to get him, when we might be able to parlay that pick into our PF of the future (Vonleh/Gordon/Randle).

O_o Noel's existence should have 0 impact on whether or not PHI drafts Embiid. Noel has proven nothing so far in the NBA, went #6 in what was considered a weak draft, and maybe becomes Theo Ratliff?

Embiid has played NBA minutes? Who's to say he won't end up the next Thabeet? See how easy that is using that logic?
It is fine to take Parker, Wiggins or Exum if you think they are truly superior prospects. However, avoiding Embiid because of Noel is just baffling.